Guest Scratch2000uk Posted May 22, 2014 Share Posted May 22, 2014 Aye, we seem to have a few frothing at the mouth at the mention of Farage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beag_teeets Posted May 22, 2014 Share Posted May 22, 2014 makes me laugh, in a sneery condescending way, how wanting out of the EU and having an immigration system akin to Australia or Canada is somehow evil and nasty and racist. If twitter were to be believed UKIP are nothing less than an exact facsimile of the 1920's Nazi Party. I always knew those new fangled GCSE things would eventually produce a nation of slobbering halfwits I don't think it is these policies per se that is causing this frothing, it is the evil, nasty and racist members and elected officials within UKIP that is creating this impression. I wonder how many people voting UKIP today actually have any knowledge of what it is their against or what they so dislike about the European Parliament other than what they have been told they should be angry about by sections of the media and anti-Europe groups. Granted the case for Europe hasn't been made as effectively as it could have been. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Latics_Fanatic Posted May 22, 2014 Share Posted May 22, 2014 UKIP are a one-trick pony - if the "working class" (say that lightly) read into their proper policies, come May 2015, they'll realise that a 31% (or 25%) flat tax, a fully privatised NHS and other policies aren't for them. I voted today. Green Party for Europe. I do believe in offering a referendum on Europe, it will end the arguments both ways and I have faith that the British Public would out-vote the doubters and keep us in the Union. Green Party also promote reform of the EU, something which needs to be done as we do pay too much money in to it, for what little it seems we get. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
24hoursfromtulsehill Posted May 22, 2014 Share Posted May 22, 2014 We probably do alright out of the EU. My problem is the democratic deficit. I'd feel more strongly about this if I were Greek. They've been :censored:ed by Germany under the auspices of the EU. Farage isn't a one-trick pony. He's spent years taking votes off the Tories with the usual bollocks about a big state and Europe making all our laws and all that. This time is different. The anti-Romanian schtick has probably gathered in a sizeable chunk of "ignorant woman" Labour votes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Scratch2000uk Posted May 22, 2014 Share Posted May 22, 2014 (edited) To be fair, Farage himself has had everything thrown at him by the media. I do think there's been a lot more interest in the voting process this time around and that's down to Farage.being a little subversive and actually bringing up the concept of leaving the EU. As for him pinching ignorant labour voters, i think the labour party has been far more prolific in alienating those said ignorants by getting into bed with the middle classes. Edited May 22, 2014 by Scratch2000uk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beag_teeets Posted May 22, 2014 Share Posted May 22, 2014 Divide and rule, divide and rule.................... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Scratch2000uk Posted May 22, 2014 Share Posted May 22, 2014 Divide and rule, divide and rule.................... Tory speciality. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
disjointed Posted May 22, 2014 Share Posted May 22, 2014 Whilst perusing the voting paper I spotted a party which I had heard nothing of, the pirate party, If I could have been sure that they were advocating parrots on the shoulder and eye patches on the NHS they would have been given a big fat X from me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rudemedic Posted May 22, 2014 Share Posted May 22, 2014 Whilst perusing the voting paper I spotted a party which I had heard nothing of, the pirate party, If I could have been sure that they were advocating parrots on the shoulder and eye patches on the NHS they would have been given a big fat X from me. They are apparently set up by the bloke that owned pirate bay websites and are mainly campaigning towards less censorship and more internet freedoms. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsslatic Posted May 22, 2014 Share Posted May 22, 2014 Not worth another thread but Piers Morgan and Joey Barton on QT next week according to David Dimbleby (who has seemingly just got from Radlett to BBC News Studio in thirty seconds). The world may just implode. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rudemedic Posted May 22, 2014 Share Posted May 22, 2014 Not worth another thread but Piers Morgan and Joey Barton on QT next week according to David Dimbleby (who has seemingly just got from Radlett to BBC News Studio in thirty seconds). The world may just implode. Question time isn't filmed live. They usually mention that fact regularly on election nights. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsslatic Posted May 22, 2014 Share Posted May 22, 2014 Illusion shattered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ackey Posted May 23, 2014 Share Posted May 23, 2014 Question time isn't filmed live. They usually mention that fact regularly on election nights. It's filmed live, it's not broadcast live... though with :censored: and :censored: on next week I'd quite happily learn it was neither! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
help_shiny Posted May 23, 2014 Share Posted May 23, 2014 Apart from getting the day off school as my dad swept imperiously to power in a local election in 1981 I must say I've never felt more enthused about local election results as I have today. Thought I felt my todger twitch earlier. Halcyon days! Loving the meeja/liblabcon cabal scratching their heads on the telly - weeks and weeks of being told I'm RACIST and STUPID and mental and various other things and now it's all "we understand you have concerns which we will help to address". Ed Balls was on the telly before saying how Labour are going to be tough on immigration - I had to rewind just to make sure I wasnt on hallucinogens. Miliband apparently understands my discontent, he's rooted in my experiences,my needs. By the way - anyone see him eating that bacon butty the other day? Jeez, he's a special one alright. Then there was a Tory woman on the telly saying "we've really borne down on immigration" - the day after the ONS stats show that errr, no you havent and you cannot and you will never and it is all utterly out of your control. Anyone see BBCQT last night - boooooo at the racists, booooo, boooooo. 25% of the vote but 0.5% of the audience. Funny that. Anyway, after booing down the racist (although to be fair it was Neil Hamilton) who thinks perhaps it's not a fantastic idea to have an open door everyone then gets very earnest about the massive housing shortage in the country. Couldn't make it up. Right, that's my two penneth until Monday when I come back to stroke one off Comrades! The People's Army Cometh! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted May 23, 2014 Author Share Posted May 23, 2014 Boo the intolerant whichever party they may be in - UKIP are attracting the likes of a very vocal Josh Bonehead and his "British Class". They have to be careful. I seriously considered spoiling my ballot paper for the first time ever after voting Labour since I could, and there was the Socialist Equality Party. Right on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ackey Posted May 23, 2014 Share Posted May 23, 2014 What does it matter that Milliband chose to eat a Bacon Butty... sorry? You wonder why the party has a reputation? That's :censored:ing why! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rudemedic Posted May 23, 2014 Share Posted May 23, 2014 It's filmed live, it's not broadcast live... though with :censored: and :censored: on next week I'd quite happily learn it was neither! Upboat for top notch pedantry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
opinions4u Posted May 23, 2014 Share Posted May 23, 2014 UKIP now the third biggest party on Oldham Council, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimsleftfoot Posted May 23, 2014 Share Posted May 23, 2014 makes me laugh, in a sneery condescending way, how wanting out of the EU and having an immigration system akin to Australia or Canada is somehow evil and nasty and racist. If twitter were to be believed UKIP are nothing less than an exact facsimile of the 1920's Nazi Party. I always knew those new fangled GCSE things would eventually produce a nation of slobbering halfwits I think they are less likely to as well as long as people oppose them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beag_teeets Posted May 24, 2014 Share Posted May 24, 2014 I agree with Michael Rosen. 23/04/14 - http://michaelrosenblog.blogspot.co.uk/2014/04/i-sometimes-fear.html I sometimes fear that people might think that fascism arrives in fancy dress worn by grotesques and monsters as played out in endless re-runs of the Nazis. Fascism arrives as your friend. It will restore your honour, make you feel proud, protect your house, give you a job, clean up the neighbourhood, remind you of how great you once were, clear out the venal and the corrupt, remove anything you feel is unlike you...It doesn't walk in saying, "Our programme means militias, mass imprisonments, transportations, war and persecution." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beag_teeets Posted May 24, 2014 Share Posted May 24, 2014 (edited) And just seen what he said today: Miliband, UKIP and the 'I'm not racist but...' people. Am fascinated by these 'I'm not racist but' people they show us. They say things like 'it's all got too much' and 'there's too many of them' etc etc So what do they think UKIP is going to do for them? Put people on trains and ship them out? And how will these people be chosen? And who is going to do the choosing? And if the people refuse to go? Will UKIP have special police to do that? And this is not racism? And UKIP isn't deliberately holding out hopes for people who say those things that that is precisely what they would do? And Labour can't say that about UKIP? And that Labour should keep saying that 'people have concerns' instead of saying what I'm saying here? For f.sake Miliband, it's what your parents fled from. Say it. Say it. Say it. Edited May 24, 2014 by beag_teeets Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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jimsleftfoot Posted May 24, 2014 Share Posted May 24, 2014 In 1989 I went for a holiday with my family in Yugoslavia. A year later it was in a state of war as political parties and their supporters wanted to protect their own which resulted in former friends and neighbours murdering each other because of small differences. 10 years ago I visited Croatia, Bosnia and Montenegro. I saw parks filled with the graves of a generation of men that were wiped out, buildings riddled with bullet holes. I was told that much of the countryside is full of mines and I saw particularly in Mostar, different people struggling to get along with each other whilst bearing the scars of the recent past. Maybe the UK is much more robust, but frankly the human race doesn't have a great history of getting the balance right when it comes to looking after it's own without damaging others. I also saw Croatia's enthusiasm to join the EU. I mentioned to a local that it's not seen so favourable in the UK. He replied that perhaps we'd see things differently if we had been invaded as much as they had. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeslover Posted May 24, 2014 Share Posted May 24, 2014 In 1989 I went for a holiday with my family in Yugoslavia. A year later it was in a state of war as political parties and their supporters wanted to protect their own which resulted in former friends and neighbours murdering each other because of small differences. 10 years ago I visited Croatia, Bosnia and Montenegro. I saw parks filled with the graves of a generation of men that were wiped out, buildings riddled with bullet holes. I was told that much of the countryside is full of mines and I saw particularly in Mostar, different people struggling to get along with each other whilst bearing the scars of the recent past. Maybe the UK is much more robust, but frankly the human race doesn't have a great history of getting the balance right when it comes to looking after it's own without damaging others. I also saw Croatia's enthusiasm to join the EU. I mentioned to a local that it's not seen so favourable in the UK. He replied that perhaps we'd see things differently if we had been invaded as much as they had. Didn't those wars happen because people didn't want a federal union? And is EU policy creating harmony and peace southern Europe, Hungary etc? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
opinions4u Posted May 25, 2014 Share Posted May 25, 2014 Didn't those wars happen because people didn't want a federal union? And is EU policy creating harmony and peace southern Europe, Hungary etc? I have pondered the desire of many Scots to break free from the subsidies of England to subjugate themselves to Germany and the rest of Europe. Independence I get. The idea of then immediately rejoining political union elsewhere while having a currency union with the country you no longer wish to be part of baffles me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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