ChaddySmoker Posted March 20, 2016 Share Posted March 20, 2016 In the last 20 years......less than 1 year of a Tory Government, 5 years of a coalition government, 13 years of a Labour Government Think about it I like how you tell people to 'think about it' and dont realise that some of us have and come to a different conclusion to you! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryBosch Posted March 20, 2016 Share Posted March 20, 2016 (edited) But I thought McMahon had done so much to improve the town ... Doesn't help when the govt distributes to favour wealthier areas. Funny how Northern councils have had cuts and South Western ones haven't.... That will be the Tories looking after their own then. The town hasn't voted in a Tory MP since 1968. They'll concentrate on wooing voters who might vote them in. Despite the town becoming a bigger & bigger :censored:hole between every election the town still voted Meacher back in again and again, and now McMahon. So Labour don't need to lift a finger for us either. We're a sure thing. God forbid they create an environment where people can get decent jobs & kids decent educations and subsequently start voting for other parties... You reap what you sow. Edited March 20, 2016 by HarryBosch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimsleftfoot Posted March 20, 2016 Share Posted March 20, 2016 In the last 20 years......less than 1 year of a Tory Government, 5 years of a coalition government, 13 years of a Labour Government In Oldham 3 years of Lib Dem council and 17 years of Labour council. Think about it Before that there was 4 successive Tory governments. Since 2011 there was a similar deprivation survey that put Oldham at 37th most deprived town, so it's gone down since. We've had 6 years of Tories (I'm not going to give the Lib Dems any credit), council cuts, bedroom tax etc. Etc. Oldham is better off under a Labour government. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryBosch Posted March 20, 2016 Share Posted March 20, 2016 In the last 20 years......less than 1 year of a Tory Government, 5 years of a coalition government, 13 years of a Labour Government In Oldham 3 years of Lib Dem council and 17 years of Labour council. Think about it I like how you tell people to 'think about it' and dont realise that some of us have and come to a different conclusion to you! You've concluded that different parties were in power during those 20 years.......? Go on...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryBosch Posted March 20, 2016 Share Posted March 20, 2016 bedroom tax Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magister Posted March 20, 2016 Share Posted March 20, 2016 Before that there was 4 successive Tory governments. Since 2011 there was a similar deprivation survey that put Oldham at 37th most deprived town, so it's gone down since. We've had 6 years of Tories (I'm not going to give the Lib Dems any credit), council cuts, bedroom tax etc. Etc. Oldham is better off under a Labour government. So by very definition then 36 towns have improved? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paw4 Posted March 22, 2016 Share Posted March 22, 2016 It turns out the Office for National Statistics (ONS) looked at one part of our borough – focussing just on centrally-located wards near Oldham town centre. Big districts like Royton, Shaw, Failsworth, Chadderton and Saddleworth (just named one of the best places to live in the UK) weren’t included, which explains a lot. The part of Oldham surveyed was those wards we historically know to have socio-economic problems, like Alexandra, Coldhurst, St Mary’s, Waterhead and Werneth. They’ve long been our areas of highest deprivation and we’ve never denied that. Well as they say there are facts and there are facts, plus the data was from 2011. ( most of this copied and pasted ). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SAV Posted March 22, 2016 Share Posted March 22, 2016 No need to shout!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlossopLatic Posted March 22, 2016 Share Posted March 22, 2016 (edited) https://oldhamcouncil.wordpress.com/2016/03/22/behind-the-headlines-the-truth-about-deprivation-in-oldham/ Personally from an outsiders point if view Oldham does seem to be improving if anything. Edited March 22, 2016 by GlossopLatic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChaddySmoker Posted March 22, 2016 Share Posted March 22, 2016 The town hasn't voted in a Tory MP since 1968. They'll concentrate on wooing voters who might vote them in. Despite the town becoming a bigger & bigger :censored:hole between every election the town still voted Meacher back in again and again, and now McMahon. So Labour don't need to lift a finger for us either. We're a sure thing. God forbid they create an environment where people can get decent jobs & kids decent educations and subsequently start voting for other parties... You reap what you sow. A decent education means that people start voting other than Labour......really! What narrow minded right wing bollocks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magister Posted March 22, 2016 Share Posted March 22, 2016 A decent education means that people start voting other than Labour......really! What narrow minded right wing bollocks. Intelligent people vote Labour? Of course they do and why shouldn't they? Intelligent people vote Tory too and why shouldn't they? However the demographists will tell you that that constituencies with higher densities of higher educated will return Tory MPs. Of course it may be more about relative prosperity but to describe right of centre voters as narrow minded is about as relevant as describing Labour voters as benefit scrounges. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewBlue Posted March 22, 2016 Share Posted March 22, 2016 I'm pretty sure that the Lib Dems have the highest percentage of higher-educated voters, not that it means anything anyway... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magister Posted March 22, 2016 Share Posted March 22, 2016 I'm pretty sure that the Lib Dems have the highest percentage of higher-educated voters, not that it means anything anyway... I certainly think think they have the most Guardian readers! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChaddySmoker Posted March 22, 2016 Share Posted March 22, 2016 Intelligent people vote Labour? Of course they do and why shouldn't they? Intelligent people vote Tory too and why shouldn't they? To describe right of centre voters as narrow minded is about as relevant as describing Labour voters as benefit scrounges. I think that you are illustrating perfectly the narrow minded aspect. Narrow minded right wing bollocks should not imply that narrow minded =right wing or that right wing=narrow minded. It should simply imply that it was right wing and also narrow minded and also bollocks. The comment satisfied all 3 criteria, individually and seperately! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simplythemostimportantkick Posted March 22, 2016 Share Posted March 22, 2016 What the :censored: has all this politics bull:censored: you lot are preaching got to do with OAFC ? Can you not find a forum more suited to air your bollox ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 What the :censored: has all this politics bull:censored: you lot are preaching got to do with OAFC ? Can you not find a forum more suited to air your bollox ? I suppose when some saw comments about right wing - left wing problems they were thinking of Jones and Forte. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
palmer1 Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 https://oldhamcouncil.wordpress.com/2016/03/22/behind-the-headlines-the-truth-about-deprivation-in-oldham/ Interesting blog - it seems most of Oldham wasnt included in the findings Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryBosch Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 A decent education means that people start voting other than Labour......really! What narrow minded right wing bollocks. The parts of the country with better schools and jobs largely seem to....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChaddySmoker Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 That was a very well written blog The parts of the country with better schools and jobs largely seem to....... Ask yourself why-the reasoning usually relates to wealth not to intelligence Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave_ragg1984 Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 https://oldhamcouncil.wordpress.com/2016/03/22/behind-the-headlines-the-truth-about-deprivation-in-oldham/ Interesting blog - it seems most of Oldham wasnt included in the findings And that the data used for the only just released study is 5 years old. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 That was a very well written blog Ask yourself why-the reasoning usually relates to wealth not to intelligence As we have seen from many Government decisions good education doesn't always relate to common sense. In the case of George Osborne little sense at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magister Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 And that the data used for the only just released study is 5 years old. You mean just at the end of 13 years of a Labour government.....bastards those Tories for causing it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
24hoursfromtulsehill Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 Oldham isn't that big a :censored:hole. It's certainly less of a :censored:hole than loads of parts of London, where you tend to have everyone from the filthy rich to the dirt poor living cheek by jowl, mostly voting Labour. Your local MP can't do much on his or her own to influence things in favour of the town, especially not when their party isn't in power or they are not personally in power as a Minister. It's not a secret that both Osborne and Cameron subscribe to the theory that you govern in the interests of the party first and the nation second. If an area votes Labour, they'll crush it until those hapless bastards see sense. The idea that voting in a Tory MP will change the fortunes of a town isn't ridiculous, but it is repugnant. Something Osborne said yesterday in the Budget debate might have passed everyone by, but it's a good insight into how the man and the system of which he's at the centre operates. Steve Brine (Winchester) (Con): My right hon. Friend spoke a lot last week about the next generation and Chancellors who always said yes. One thing he said yes to last week that was very much welcomed by many young people in Southampton and across the south was the backing of the new children’s hospital in Southampton with £2 million of match-funding. That is what looking after the next generation looks like. May I say thank you on behalf of many people across the south? Mr Osborne: My hon. Friend campaigned tirelessly for that extra money for the hospital in Southampton—he raised the matter countless times in the Chamber. That shows that, if Members persevere on getting the vital services for their local constituency, the Government listen and deliver for them in this Chamber. So there's this Tory guy asking a very, very friendly question about something in the Budget that benefits his area. Osborne's response is a threat (and the offer of a bribe) to Tory MPs who might be thinking about not falling into line. If that's how he treats the Tory backbenchers, what do you think his attitude to Labour or SNP MPs is? It doesn't matter what the justice of a case is. He always does what's necessary for the Tories first. Not an unknown trait in politics but there we are. Fans of rhetorical omission will note that he does not mention the children who stand to benefit, just the local MP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Villains Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 You mean just at the end of 13 years of a Labour government.....bastards those Tories for causing it? take your big p politics and shove it up your :censored:in arse somewhere else........... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magister Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 Oldham isn't that big a :censored:hole. It's certainly less of a :censored:hole than loads of parts of London, where you tend to have everyone from the filthy rich to the dirt poor living cheek by jowl, mostly voting Labour. As you know 24 most people in London do NOT vote labour.....what did they get at last election in London ? About 33% of voted cast? Oh and how did Tory mayor get elected? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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