ChaddySmoker Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 Oh and how did Tory mayor get elected? Comedy value Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magister Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 Comedy value So funny that Labour voting London re-elected him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChaddySmoker Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 So funny that Labour voting London re-elected him Even Connor Brown gets a big cheer from me when he comes on! At least we know it'll be funny even though he is :censored:e Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
24hoursfromtulsehill Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 Labour had a 44% vote share at the last general election. You're right. That's not most people. Johnson got elected by the doughnut monkeys, who aren't really Londoners but massive suburbanite knobheads from places like Purley. Ken Livingstone isn't to everyone's taste in Labour. He'd also said he wasn't going to stand again and then did without planning a decent succession. I saw Eddie Izzard with Livingstone out on the stump in Dalston during the last mayoral election. Izzard said: "Most people think balloons are funny but you don't want a balloon as mayor do you?" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magister Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 Indeed. I don't know which I fear more Johnson as P M meeting with Trump as President or Corbyn meeting with Saunders .....probably the former if I am honest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singe Posted March 24, 2016 Share Posted March 24, 2016 Oldham isn't that big a :censored:hole. It's certainly less of a :censored:hole than loads of parts of London, where you tend to have everyone from the filthy rich to the dirt poor living cheek by jowl, mostly voting Labour. Your local MP can't do much on his or her own to influence things in favour of the town, especially not when their party isn't in power or they are not personally in power as a Minister. It's not a secret that both Osborne and Cameron subscribe to the theory that you govern in the interests of the party first and the nation second. If an area votes Labour, they'll crush it until those hapless bastards see sense. The idea that voting in a Tory MP will change the fortunes of a town isn't ridiculous, but it is repugnant. Something Osborne said yesterday in the Budget debate might have passed everyone by, but it's a good insight into how the man and the system of which he's at the centre operates. So there's this Tory guy asking a very, very friendly question about something in the Budget that benefits his area. Osborne's response is a threat (and the offer of a bribe) to Tory MPs who might be thinking about not falling into line. If that's how he treats the Tory backbenchers, what do you think his attitude to Labour or SNP MPs is? It doesn't matter what the justice of a case is. He always does what's necessary for the Tories first. Not an unknown trait in politics but there we are. Fans of rhetorical omission will note that he does not mention the children who stand to benefit, just the local MP. Very interesting point you raise, the Tories seem to be reacting with rampant self interest now the shackles of the Coalition are free. Labour must continue to expose this. I think Corbyn is sometimes trying to be a bit too clever and not necessarily going for the obvious but we have see repeating the mantra can get into the minds of the electorate. I don't think calling for Osborne to resign was effective, it wouldn't happen so focus on his weaknesses, like Compassionate Conservative. The Northern Powerhouse needs mocking mercilessly, it has had so little impact on Oldham. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magister Posted March 24, 2016 Share Posted March 24, 2016 Yes perhaps they could go for " responsible capitalism" or " one nation socialism" ...or come up with a gimmick like a Edstone. If they want to be really radical what about" nuclear submarines without the nuclear" Seriously though You are right about attacking Osbourne....that is merely doing IDS's and the out campaigns job for them. A Tory leadership election is likely in the Autumn. Why are Labour getting involved in that? do they realise they are? I was always taught as a Cricket captain to do exactly what the opposition would not want me to do. That should be Labour policy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josh_latics Posted March 24, 2016 Share Posted March 24, 2016 Even Connor Brown gets a big cheer from me when he comes on! At least we know it'll be funny even though he is :censored:e Connor Brown for London Mayor? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paw4 Posted March 24, 2016 Share Posted March 24, 2016 Hartlepool voted a monkey in as mayor.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stagger Lee Posted March 24, 2016 Share Posted March 24, 2016 Connor Brown for London Mayor? He can tackle the important issues ...... oh wait Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wozzer Posted March 25, 2016 Share Posted March 25, 2016 Yes perhaps they could go for " responsible capitalism" or " one nation socialism" ...or come up with a gimmick like a Edstone. If they want to be really radical what about" nuclear submarines without the nuclear" Seriously though You are right about attacking Osbourne....that is merely doing IDS's and the out campaigns job for them. A Tory leadership election is likely in the Autumn. Why are Labour getting involved in that? do they realise they are? I was always taught as a Cricket captain to do exactly what the opposition would not want me to do. That should be Labour policy The story goes that lots of Tories registered to vote in the Labour leadership election in the (probably correct) belief that Corbyn couldn't win a general election. Let's hope the Tories go for Johnson or Osbourne to make it a fair fight. Choosing between those two vicious bastards almost makes you pine for Thatcher. Not really. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OAFCKeepTheFaith Posted March 25, 2016 Share Posted March 25, 2016 As you know 24 most people in London do NOT vote labour.....what did they get at last election in London ? About 33% of voted cast? Isn't it similarly true that most people in the UK did NOT vote Tory at last election? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
opinions4u Posted March 25, 2016 Share Posted March 25, 2016 ame="Magister" post="841019" timestamp="1458742405"] Isn't it similarly true that most people in the UK did NOT vote Tory at last election? It's decades since any government was elected with 50% or more of the vote. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChaddySmoker Posted March 25, 2016 Share Posted March 25, 2016 It's decades since any government was elected with 50% or more of the vote. Except in Scotland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magister Posted March 25, 2016 Share Posted March 25, 2016 ame="Magister" post="841019" timestamp="1458742405"] Isn't it similarly true that most people in the UK did NOT vote Tory at last election? Yes but the point is that nobody said they did... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeslover Posted March 25, 2016 Share Posted March 25, 2016 Except in ScotlandYet we still can't shake them off Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L1onheartNew Posted March 25, 2016 Share Posted March 25, 2016 Mods can you add the word dissarray at the end of the thread title? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave_ragg1984 Posted March 25, 2016 Share Posted March 25, 2016 Yes but the point is that nobody said they did... Nobody also said that most of the people in London voted Labour. Only that most of the people in parts of London voted Labour. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magister Posted March 25, 2016 Share Posted March 25, 2016 (edited) Nobody also said that most of the people in London voted Labour. Only that most of the people in parts of London Perhaps you would like to list the constituencies Dave as that it is not true either...eg Islington North mr Corbyn's seat which he has held for 8 terms in round figures 40 % Corbyn 33% did not vote 27% other. How is that most people vote Labour? Edited March 25, 2016 by Magister Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave_ragg1984 Posted March 25, 2016 Share Posted March 25, 2016 Nobody also said that most of the people in London voted Labour. Only that most of the people in parts of London Perhaps you would like to list the constituencies Dave as that it is not true either...eg Islington North mr Corbyn's seat which he has held for 8 terms in round figures 40 % Corbyn 33% did not vote 27% other. How is that most people vote Labour? Most of the people that count though vote labour, yeah? In those parts of London he was on about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magister Posted March 25, 2016 Share Posted March 25, 2016 Some people count more than others? Interesting world view that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wozzer Posted March 25, 2016 Share Posted March 25, 2016 Some people count more than others? Interesting world view that. One held by several members of the current government though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magister Posted March 25, 2016 Share Posted March 25, 2016 Indeed and reprehensible Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave_ragg1984 Posted March 25, 2016 Share Posted March 25, 2016 Some people count more than others? Interesting world view that. Depends what you class as interesting really. I think if you have a right to vote and don't exercise that right, then your views on the matter are absolutely irrelevant and should be treated as so. 60% of voters in Islington North voted Labour. The 33% that didn't turn out, well they are irrelevant. They had a chance to vote for what they wanted but couldn't care less. You might think that view is interesting, I think thats pretty unremarkable in all honesty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magister Posted March 25, 2016 Share Posted March 25, 2016 So people who don't vote are irrelevant and could not care less? Ignore them then ? So why care about people who vote against you? In fact why not victimise them. .... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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