welshgaz Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 2 hours ago, steveecky said: Need wide midfield players who can cover back and attack, not forwards only interested when the ball has been won back. The team Wellens keeps picking is too open when they don’t have the ball and his answer seems to be to become more open. At the moment he seems too naive although the recruitment policy seems pretty suspect - a shed load of attacking players and hardly any defensive options (yes I know there are injuries but every team has them). oh hum - onwards and downwards! Spot on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deyres42 Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 5 minutes ago, League one forever said: Eaxactly. So, from our excellent start it was a surprise to see our form drop away so quickly. . I trust your not just picking the opposite side of the arguement each time? ? There always a strong likelihood of that form not being replicated through the whole season and a strong likelihood that an inexperienced manager may struggle to arrest such a slide. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kusunga_Is_God Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 I want to hear from the 29 people that voted yes. What are your reasons and why? Must not base argument on 5 games in October. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singe Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 Not sure on the parameters, but we seem very predictable according to this https://footystats.org/england/efl-league-one/detailed-stats/prediction-risk-table Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singe Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 (edited) Another set stats We have the second worst record at the next goal allowing us to go further behind. 31 goals conceded saw us go further behind. Not sure if that points to resilience, heads dropping or lack of concentration. Probably a mixture of all 3. We also have been leading for the 2nd lowest to Bury, only 14 mins per game on average Joint 2nd worst almost 30 mins per match trailing, on average. The stat which we are worst by a long way though, is difference between goals scored and goals conceded in first 20 mins. scored 6 conceded 22. We just are not set up right at the start of the match. Edited April 25, 2018 by singe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 10 hours ago, dave_ragg1984 said: Teams need a grafter and ball winner in midfield. But they done need a Fane. He can’t kick a football. They need someone who grafts, wins the ball, and then can actually pass it or maybe even shoot when the opportunity arises. Gardner did just that after Fane was subbed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamoafc Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 (edited) 7 minutes ago, BP1960 said: Gardner did just that after Fane was subbed. Gardner became ball winner? You having a laugh. Up their as one of the biggest shithouses in this awful team. Gardner got relegated with chesterfield and that is the standard we are at. Dont think I have ever felt so confident on relegation when our players aren’t even willing to change for a 50/50. Byrne jumped out of the way every time one came to him last night. No wonder the crowd were on their backs. Edited April 25, 2018 by adamoafc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 1 minute ago, adamoafc said: Gardner became ball winner? You having a laugh. Up their as one of the biggest shithouses in this awful team. Gardner got relegated with chesterfield and that is the standard we are at. One player doesn't get a team relegated and it's common consensus he's been the best midfielder during the slump and put a full shift in - unlike some others. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamoafc Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 1 minute ago, BP1960 said: One player doesn't get a team relegated and it's common consensus he's been the best midfielder during the slump and put a full shift in - unlike some others. Running around a lot doesn’t mean you put a shift in. Delivery and final ball from him is so poor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pukka Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 Just now, adamoafc said: Running around a lot doesn’t mean you put a shift in. Delivery and final ball from him is so poor. It does.... but can still be shit and put a shift in. I can put a shift in! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
League one forever Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 1 hour ago, simplythemostimportantkick said: Welcome to OWTB. Eyresy is well known for that tactic. But I like him. He’s cool ? Agreed. I’m well aware of Mr. Eyres- and his ways. . . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twisbrogan Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 There's been a culture of losing and expecting defeat for many years now similar to the one that has taken hold at Sunderland. In that respect, the last thing I'm in favour of is continuity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simplythemostimportantkick Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 Just now, League one forever said: Agreed. I’m well aware of Mr. Eyres- and his ways. . . The trick is ,to throw something out there that you don’t really mean , Eyresy will then say the opposite and then you have got him to agree with you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deyres42 Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 I would go after Ainsworth, Coleman, Hill or Tisdale. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kusunga_Is_God Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 (edited) 41 minutes ago, Twisbrogan said: There's been a culture of losing and expecting defeat for many years now similar to the one that has taken hold at Sunderland. In that respect, the last thing I'm in favour of is continuity. This. Some people on here find it an outrage for our fans to have expectations of anything other than the relegation zone. Gets really tiresome when folks are trying to defend shire performances with weird excuses. Edited April 25, 2018 by Kusunga_Is_God Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simplythemostimportantkick Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 1 minute ago, deyres42 said: I would go after Ainsworth, Coleman, Hill or Tisdale. Would they go for us though ? And do you mean you’d go in that order consecutively in the season ?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deyres42 Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 Just now, simplythemostimportantkick said: Would they go for us though ? And do you mean you’d go in that order consecutively in the season ?! All there to be wooed if the conditions and money are right I'd say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simplythemostimportantkick Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 Just now, deyres42 said: All there to be wooed if the conditions and money are right I'd say. I think your right in that we need to bring going down the route of at least some experience. I’d take Ainsworth of your list. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeslover Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 I think we need to see past the idea that Wellens worked some magic during his good spell. We had already started scoring goals, he tried Johnny because the other two were shockingly bad, and Gerrard who was also clearly shit. We then conceded a few less than we scored. Byrne and Doyle were on fire, which you couldn't expect to carry on forever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deyres42 Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 Would reactions be the same if he'd started off with poor results and then improved them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
League one forever Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 17 minutes ago, simplythemostimportantkick said: The trick is ,to throw something out there that you don’t really mean , Eyresy will then say the opposite and then you have got him to agree with you. Haha. Nice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryBosch Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 1 hour ago, Kusunga_Is_God said: I want to hear from the 29 people that voted yes. What are your reasons and why? Must not base argument on 5 games in October. I voted yes. In our good patches this season he's shown more than many managers we've had and the football was good. I like him. I think the continuity keeping him would offer isn't to be sniffed at - he knows the pro's and con's of whichever players are still here in August. I'd like to think he could sign some decent players while his contacts are still what they are not long after him finishing playing. (This might be more the case in League One than League Two though) I've got a gut feeling he'll come good as a manager and I'd like it to be with us rather than someone else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hometownclub Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 1 minute ago, deyres42 said: Would reactions be the same if he'd started off with poor results and then improved them? If it left us on the brink of relegation, then yes I think they would. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 4 minutes ago, leeslover said: I think we need to see past the idea that Wellens worked some magic during his good spell. We had already started scoring goals, he tried Johnny because the other two were shockingly bad, and Gerrard who was also clearly shit. We then conceded a few less than we scored. Byrne and Doyle were on fire, which you couldn't expect to carry on forever. This. We scored 10 in JS’s last 5 games. 3 of those games were against sides currently in the top 5. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
League one forever Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 2 minutes ago, deyres42 said: Would reactions be the same if he'd started off with poor results and then improved them? ? Your a beauty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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