Guest Stanley30 Posted April 26, 2018 Share Posted April 26, 2018 I'd back him, to quick to sack on here and look where it's got us. Fortunately we're Oldham so can't get relegated, However we just haven't progressed yet. Need to give him a summer to get his team together Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted April 26, 2018 Share Posted April 26, 2018 8 hours ago, simplythemostimportantkick said: Wellens also seems to think Byrne is a wide midfielder. I’m leaning towards JSS on this one BP. I don’t think he’s good enough. Tbf I can’t fault his effort in closing down etc, just think he lacks any real quality. When was the last time he had a decent shot in a match too ? I’d be looking to get rid. Gardner scored 17 goals in 51 appearances at Halifax, albeit non league, which suggests to me he played much further up the field than here where he's having to chase back to cover for other players. He's not going to score many goals from his own penalty area is he? I'd be using him as a purely attacking midfielder, then you'd see what he's capable of. IMO he's been the one player giving everything in a relegation dogfight while others have been idling and ball watching. I would ask JSS if Latics go down and Byrne has a relegation on his CV is he too a non league player. I might be wrong, but hasnt he been with clubs who have been relegated in the past? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsslatic Posted April 26, 2018 Share Posted April 26, 2018 (edited) 34 minutes ago, BP1960 said: Gardner scored 17 goals in 51 appearances at Halifax, albeit non league, which suggests to me he played much further up the field than here where he's having to chase back to cover for other players. He's not going to score many goals from his own penalty area is he? I'd be using him as a purely attacking midfielder, then you'd see what he's capable of. IMO he's been the one player giving everything in a relegation dogfight while others have been idling and ball watching. I would ask JSS if Latics go down and Byrne has a relegation on his CV is he too a non league player. I might be wrong, but hasnt he been with clubs who have been relegated in the past? I'm not saying he's a non league player because he's going to be relegated twice. He's a non league player because he's too shit to play league football. I don't care how many goals he scored in non league. Most of what he hits ends up off target or pea rolling at the goalkeeper. And that's when he's managed a shot, rather than losing the ball by dicking around with it or, as he is prone to do, just straight up running it out of play. Edited April 26, 2018 by jsslatic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LightDN123 Posted April 26, 2018 Share Posted April 26, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, jsslatic said: I'm not saying he's a non league player because he's going to be relegated twice. He's a non league player because he's too shit to play league football. I don't care how many goals he scored in non league. Most of what he hits ends up off target or pea rolling at the goalkeeper. And that's when he's managed a shot, rather than losing the ball by dicking around with it or, as he is prone to do, just straight up running it out of play. Fane isn’t fit to lace Gardner’s boots. What standard do you suggest fane is if Gardner is non-league ? Imagine playing centre midfield and knowing your the only the only player who can pass the football. Your partner is a marathon runner and he’s not an option when you have the ball. This making the payer of play very very predictable. I bet Gardner is fumming, not only does he have to do all the running he has to do all the passing. He has to drive the ball forward. (Fane does this with no end product so does not count yet people get all happy about it) Gardner is a good player, he’s inconsistent sometimes like all players in league 1 but he’s the least of our problems. Edited April 26, 2018 by LightDN123 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deyres42 Posted April 26, 2018 Share Posted April 26, 2018 2 minutes ago, LightDN123 said: Fane isn’t fit to lace Gardner’s boots. What standard do you suggest fane is if Gardner is non-league ? If they were both on the market now I guarantee Fane would go for more money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LightDN123 Posted April 26, 2018 Share Posted April 26, 2018 Just now, deyres42 said: If they were both on the market now I guarantee Fane would go for more money. Are you joking Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deyres42 Posted April 26, 2018 Share Posted April 26, 2018 No. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LightDN123 Posted April 26, 2018 Share Posted April 26, 2018 Just now, deyres42 said: No. Can you develop your argument in any way ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deyres42 Posted April 26, 2018 Share Posted April 26, 2018 Yes, Fane has attributes that a lot of clubs like, energy, able to cover a lot of ground, wins the ball, still young. Gardner is a bog standard bit and pieces midfielder, every L1/2 has one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LightDN123 Posted April 26, 2018 Share Posted April 26, 2018 3 minutes ago, deyres42 said: Yes, Fane has attributes that a lot of clubs like, energy, able to cover a lot of ground, wins the ball, still young. Gardner is a bog standard bit and pieces midfielder, every L1/2 has one. He can’t kick the bloody ball, in summer we had agreed he was going to league 2 Barnet on a free when he had a contract with us. The only reason he stayed was he said no to moving. How do you suggest he would go for “more money” if we where going to let him go for free whilst still contracted with us Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deyres42 Posted April 26, 2018 Share Posted April 26, 2018 1 minute ago, LightDN123 said: He can’t kick the bloody ball, in summer we had agreed he was going to league 2 Barnet on a free when he had a contract with us. The only reason he stayed was he said no to moving. How do you suggest he would go for “more money” if we where going to let him go for free whilst still contracted with us If they were both contracted for the same length of time then Fane would attract the larger transfer fee. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LightDN123 Posted April 26, 2018 Share Posted April 26, 2018 2 minutes ago, deyres42 said: If they were both contracted for the same length of time then Fane would attract the larger transfer fee. Can’t have that sorry. Agree to disagree haha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChaddySmoker Posted April 26, 2018 Share Posted April 26, 2018 5 minutes ago, deyres42 said: If they were both contracted for the same length of time then Fane would attract the larger transfer fee. There are plenty of 4th division clubs with a lunatic for a Chairman! You might be right-for the first time ever! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ritchierich Posted April 26, 2018 Share Posted April 26, 2018 13 minutes ago, deyres42 said: If they were both contracted for the same length of time then Fane would attract the larger transfer fee. Fane can’t control the ball, pass the ball or run with ball in League 2 he won’t be able to control the ball, pass the ball or run with the ball in the National League he still won’t be able to control the ball, pass the ball or run with the ball if someone will pay us money for him then we should bite their entire arm off ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsslatic Posted April 26, 2018 Share Posted April 26, 2018 44 minutes ago, LightDN123 said: Fane isn’t fit to lace Gardner’s boots. What standard do you suggest fane is if Gardner is non-league ? Imagine playing centre midfield and knowing your the only the only player who can pass the football. Your partner is a marathon runner and he’s not an option when you have the ball. This making the payer of play very very predictable. I bet Gardner is fumming, not only does he have to do all the running he has to do all the passing. He has to drive the ball forward. (Fane does this with no end product so does not count yet people get all happy about it) Gardner is a good player, he’s inconsistent sometimes like all players in league 1 but he’s the least of our problems. I haven't mentioned Fane at all. Whether Gardner thinks Fane is shit or not is irrelevant to the fact that he isn't good enough himself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevesidg Posted April 26, 2018 Share Posted April 26, 2018 1 hour ago, deyres42 said: If they were both on the market now I guarantee Fane would go for more money. ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deyres42 Posted April 26, 2018 Share Posted April 26, 2018 2 minutes ago, stevesidg said: ? Funny but true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rudemedic Posted April 26, 2018 Share Posted April 26, 2018 3 hours ago, deyres42 said: If they were both on the market now I guarantee Fane would go for more money. Although I think Fane is a runner disguised as a footballer I think Deyres42 has a point here. Fane has more attributes managers look for than Gardner. We signed Gardner on a free but had to pay £50k for Fane. It's a sign of the culture in English football and that culture is why we've not done much internationally in 28 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yarddog73 Posted April 26, 2018 Share Posted April 26, 2018 He's just a shit N'Golo Kante...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lookersstandandy Posted April 26, 2018 Share Posted April 26, 2018 Just now, yarddog73 said: He's just a shit N'Golo Kante...... ....He's barely better than Kolo Toure's Auntie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaddy14 Posted April 26, 2018 Share Posted April 26, 2018 In terms of having some commitment to working for the team and trying to keep Latics up, there is an easy pecking order.... 1. Gardner - Grafts hard with a degree of skill 2. Fane- grafts hard but lacking the required skill 3. Bucket loads of skill but no commitment to the team....spends his energy whingeing at team mates....very sad and frustrating!! Best outcome....they all pretend their team mates committed to the team for the next two games....please!!? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Careca9 Posted April 26, 2018 Share Posted April 26, 2018 5 hours ago, jsslatic said: I'm not saying he's a non league player because he's going to be relegated twice. He's a non league player because he's too shit to play league football. I don't care how many goals he scored in non league. Most of what he hits ends up off target or pea rolling at the goalkeeper. And that's when he's managed a shot, rather than losing the ball by dicking around with it or, as he is prone to do, just straight up running it out of play. you are being way too harsh on him. as its been pointed out he's been playing in a midfield 2 with fane who has the least amount of footballing talent ive ever seen from a pro. gardner, although no world beater is a decent mid for league 1, his passing at times is wayward but he works hard, picks up a fair amount of loose balls and does drive forward well with the ball. he's a step up from banks for sure and in last few games been one of the better performers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Stanley30 Posted April 26, 2018 Share Posted April 26, 2018 Keith Curle anyone? Wellens as assistant? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wardie Posted April 26, 2018 Share Posted April 26, 2018 2 minutes ago, Stanley30 said: Keith Curle anyone? Wellens as assistant? Wellens would not accept a role as assistant...and who could blame him? Stay in charge or go. I think he will still be there next season, relegation or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Stanley30 Posted April 26, 2018 Share Posted April 26, 2018 Where would he get a job? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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