League one forever Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 3 hours ago, Behind Closed Doors said: A common arrangement is that the parent club pay the wages when the loanee plays but the host club has to contribute when the loanee doesn’t I don’t know how the vast majority of league one and two clubs can afford that. Most prem kids now are on at least 5k a week and some a lot more. If they play just twice a month that’s would cost us 10k which seems astronomical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_Og Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 4 minutes ago, League one forever said: I don’t know how the vast majority of league one and two clubs can afford that. Most prem kids now are on at least 5k a week and some a lot more. If they play just twice a month that’s would cost us 10k which seems astronomical. Not sure you've grasped that fully. Free if they play, costly if they don't. So they play regardless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
League one forever Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 2 minutes ago, Dave_Og said: Not sure you've grasped that fully. Free if they play, costly if they don't. So they play regardless. Oh. . Night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whittles left foot Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 2 minutes ago, Dave_Og said: Not sure you've grasped that fully. Free if they play, costly if they don't. So they play regardless. So this would fit with why we don't sign many premier league players? Would Surridge be the last? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Behind Closed Doors Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 10 minutes ago, League one forever said: I don’t know how the vast majority of league one and two clubs can afford that. Most prem kids now are on at least 5k a week and some a lot more. If they play just twice a month that’s would cost us 10k which seems astronomical. That is why the likes of Plummer Scappuzzi and Mancini got games at Latics Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
League one forever Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 Just now, Behind Closed Doors said: That is why the likes of Plummer Scappuzzi and Mancini got games at Latics Yeah, I’m with you. Misunderstood what you meant initially. To be honest it seems perfectly reasonable to me, what’s the point of sending young lads out on loan to not play? It defeats the object. Plus it should make the ‘buying’ club a lot more prudent in they who they go for, rather than a risk free no obligation signing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_Og Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 13 minutes ago, whittles left foot said: So this would fit with why we don't sign many premier league players? Would Surridge be the last? Doubt it. It's more likely that PL clubs don't think their young players will learn much at the arse end of League 2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_Og Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 9 minutes ago, League one forever said: Yeah, I’m with you. Misunderstood what you meant initially. To be honest it seems perfectly reasonable to me, what’s the point of sending young lads out on loan to not play? It defeats the object. Plus it should make the ‘buying’ club a lot more prudent in they who they go for, rather than a risk free no obligation signing. Seriously? So even if a spoilt kid can't be bothered to train, turn up on time, respect the manager etc he should just play anyway?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
League one forever Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 9 minutes ago, Dave_Og said: Seriously? So even if a spoilt kid can't be bothered to train, turn up on time, respect the manager etc he should just play anyway?? Yes Dave. That’s exactly what I’m saying. While no signing is risk free, I do wonder how many managers take the time to research their character and talk to them. I think in the past there has been definitely been stockpiling, because there is no penalty to poor recruitment. Do you want two kids from city? Will it cost us? No. Yeah, bring them in why not. Turns out that the kid from 3 divisions higher thought he would play. But the manager has seen him close up and doesn’t think he’s ready, so doesn’t play him. City thought when we took them on they’d play for a club 3 divisions lower but somehow he can’t catch. If the buying club researched and scouted their loans properly knowing that if they get it wrong there is a cost to poor decisions making. You would see fewer but better quality loans which genuinely suit both parties, and avoid sulky kids throwing their toys out of the pram. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
League one forever Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 11 minutes ago, League one forever said: Yes Dave. That’s exactly what I’m saying. While no signing is risk free, I do wonder how many managers take the time to research their character and talk to them. I think in the past there has been definitely been stockpiling, because there is no penalty to poor loan recruitment. Do you want two kids from city? Will it cost us? No. Yeah, bring them in why not. Turns out that the kid from 3 divisions higher thought he would play. But the manager has seen him close up and doesn’t think he’s ready, so doesn’t play him. City thought when we took them on they’d play for a club 3 divisions lower but somehow he can’t catch. If the buying club researched and scouted their loans properly knowing that if they get it wrong there is a cost to poor decisions making. You would see fewer but better quality loans which genuinely suit both parties, and avoid sulky kids throwing their toys out of the pram. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_Og Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 7 hours ago, League one forever said: Yes Dave. That’s exactly what I’m saying. While no signing is risk free, I do wonder how many managers take the time to research their character and talk to them. I think in the past there has been definitely been stockpiling, because there is no penalty to poor recruitment. Do you want two kids from city? Will it cost us? No. Yeah, bring them in why not. Turns out that the kid from 3 divisions higher thought he would play. But the manager has seen him close up and doesn’t think he’s ready, so doesn’t play him. City thought when we took them on they’d play for a club 3 divisions lower but somehow he can’t catch. If the buying club researched and scouted their loans properly knowing that if they get it wrong there is a cost to poor decisions making. You would see fewer but better quality loans which genuinely suit both parties, and avoid sulky kids throwing their toys out of the pram. My gast is well and truly flabberred. We've been here before remember with a City player. Name escapes me, ended up playing for Real Salt Lake after we'd sent him back because he refused to play for the reserves after being out injured. Can do without brats like that around the place pissing off players who deserve a starting place. Edit. Albert Rusnak. What a pillock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
League one forever Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 2 hours ago, Dave_Og said: My gast is well and truly flabberred. We've been here before remember with a City player. Name escapes me, ended up playing for Real Salt Lake after we'd sent him back because he refused to play for the reserves after being out injured. Can do without brats like that around the place pissing off players who deserve a starting place. Edit. Albert Rusnak. What a pillock. How long ago was Rusnak- 8/10 years? You’ve made the same point again Dave. Should bad apples play no matter what- er no. Who said they should? One last try- my point is about lower league clubs stockpiling loan signings because it doesn’t cost them anything. If it did, which it now looks like it does. Clubs maybe more prudent and scout better. Hence you’re Rusnak’s of this world wouldn't sign for us in the first place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_Og Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 12 minutes ago, League one forever said: How long ago was Rusnak- 8/10 years? You’ve made the same point again Dave. Should bad apples play no matter what- er no. Who said they should? One last try- my point is about lower league clubs stockpiling loan signings because it doesn’t cost them anything. If it did, which it now looks like it does. Clubs maybe more prudent and scout better. Hence you’re Rusnak’s of this world wouldn't sign for us in the first place. There's no way on earth that any player should ever be guaranteed a starting place no matter what. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Behind Closed Doors Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 Just now, Dave_Og said: There's no way on earth that any player should ever be guaranteed a starting place no matter what. In the 70s at my cricket club the 3 players with a car were pretty much guaranteed a place in the team for away games!,,, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_Og Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 10 minutes ago, Behind Closed Doors said: In the 70s at my cricket club the 3 players with a car were pretty much guaranteed a place in the team for away games!,,, Fair enough! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
League one forever Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 17 minutes ago, Dave_Og said: There's no way on earth that any player should ever be guaranteed a starting place no matter what. I’m just going to leave you to have an argument with yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaddyexile84 Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 12 hours ago, Dave_Og said: It really isn't. Palace wrote to all lower league clubs suggesting that would be the basis of any loans. It's far closer to back door B teams than the EFL trophy or whatever it's called. Such agreements may exist but I would doubt they are “common”, most clubs like ours can’t afford premier league wages where even the kids are on ridiculous amounts (yes 5 grand plus a week is ridiculous). I also know for a fact that not playing Cameron Burgess and Freddie Ladapo once we realised they were shit (for us) didn’t cost the club a penny with Fulham and Palace continuing to foot the bill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 13 minutes ago, Chaddyexile84 said: Such agreements may exist but I would doubt they are “common”, most clubs like ours can’t afford premier league wages where even the kids are on ridiculous amounts (yes 5 grand plus a week is ridiculous). I also know for a fact that not playing Cameron Burgess and Freddie Ladapo once we realised they were shit (for us) didn’t cost the club a penny with Fulham and Palace continuing to foot the bill The same Ladapo now playing in the Championship after scoring 14 in 31 matches last season and the Burgess playing in Division 1 ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaddyexile84 Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 11 minutes ago, BP1960 said: The same Ladapo now playing in the Championship after scoring 14 in 31 matches last season and the Burgess playing in Division 1 ? That’s why the brackets included “for us” which they were ** and Burgess has spent the last 3 years in this league - he has made 0 appearances for Accrington having only just signed for them so “playing in division 1” is a bit of a stretch for now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Behind Closed Doors Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 2 hours ago, Chaddyexile84 said: Such agreements may exist but I would doubt they are “common”, most clubs like ours can’t afford premier league wages where even the kids are on ridiculous amounts (yes 5 grand plus a week is ridiculous). I also know for a fact that not playing Cameron Burgess and Freddie Ladapo once we realised they were shit (for us) didn’t cost the club a penny with Fulham and Palace continuing to foot the bill Bit of a volte face from “ Absolute Bollocks” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_Og Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 2 minutes ago, Behind Closed Doors said: Bit of a volte face from “ Absolute Bollocks” #frenchidioms.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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al_bro Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 It's only a rumour about the Chelsea kid. No need to fall out about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inspiral_Carpet Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 3 hours ago, al_bro said: It's only a rumour about the Chelsea kid. No need to fall out about it. Especially as we are only planning to rent him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tGWB Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 Burnley have rejected a £30m move from West Ham for Tarki Cant just be me who thought he wasnt fast enough to play in the Premier League Very well played James Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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