GlossopLatic Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 Just now, Dave_Og said: Not allowed at all or not allowed to talk aloud? Both Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deyres42 Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 11 minutes ago, Paul said: Have we got 7 who qualify do you know? Reckon there's 7 in the squad tonight so with Eagles and the yoofs they've got enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcfluff1985 Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 39 minutes ago, Ritchierich said: Many of these random foreign players are presumably connected in some way to “his brothers” football agency so there are fees and rake offs to be had but not sure I can put together the pieces Nobody can explain the maths on this. If he hypothetically pays fees and takes a cut of that, at what point did the club become profitable where he doesn't have to put more than the cut from any hypothetical deal back into it from his own pocket. Nobody can explain how he could make money doing this because the club needs funding Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_Og Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 1 minute ago, mcfluff1985 said: Nobody can explain the maths on this. If he hypothetically pays fees and takes a cut of that, at what point did the club become profitable where he doesn't have to put more than the cut from any hypothetical deal back into it from his own pocket. Nobody can explain how he could make money doing this because the club needs funding Nobody can explain anything he's doing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ritchierich Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 3 minutes ago, mcfluff1985 said: Nobody can explain the maths on this. If he hypothetically pays fees and takes a cut of that, at what point did the club become profitable where he doesn't have to put more than the cut from any hypothetical deal back into it from his own pocket. Nobody can explain how he could make money doing this because the club needs funding It surely has to be on the other side of the deal...ie do we actually own 100% of the player or do we find that if any of them make it and are sold on a chunk of the fee goes to the agency that AL and MO obviously have no connection with now, at all , whatsoever in any shape or form. Or, is it possible that it is legit and they genuinely believe they are using their connections to tap in to a low cost, undiscovered pool of talent? Perhaps Barry and the Trust Board member could provide some clarity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kusunga_Is_God Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 2 hours ago, GlossopLatic said: Thats the thing we are not allowed to talk about...... Yeah be careful. This place is monitored. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yarddog73 Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 On 5/2/2019 at 11:29 AM, Crusoe said: Every year I think I'll give this thread a miss, yet here I am again. Confirmed 1. Gary Woods (2021) 39. Gregor Zabret (season-long loan from Swansea) 2. Zak Mills (2020) 3. Alex Iacovitti (2021 plus option) 4. Sonhy Sefil (2020) 6. Jamie Stott (2020 plus option) 15. Javid Swaby-Neavin (probably 2020 plus option) 34. Tom Hamer (2022) 7. Johan Branger-Engone (2020) 10. Mohamed Maouche (2020) 11. Gevaro Nepomuceno (2020) 13. Florian Gonzales (2021 plus option) 14. Harry Robinson (2020 plus option) 17. Christopher Missilou (2020) 18. Dylan Fage (2021) 24. Mohamad Sylla (2020) 33. Chris Eagles (2020 plus option) Giles Coke (2020) 9. Urko Vera (2020) 16. Scott Wilson (2020) 19. Désiré Sègbè Azankpo (2020 plus option) 21. Marvin Kokos (2021 plus option) Kielen Adams (2020 plus option) Chris O'Grady (2020) #dogshit #embarrassing #agenda Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
penrhyn Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 lol if they could all start Saturday we might get a point as it stands looks like a 6-0 hammering. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiseowl Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 1 hour ago, mcfluff1985 said: Nobody can explain the maths on this. If he hypothetically pays fees and takes a cut of that, at what point did the club become profitable where he doesn't have to put more than the cut from any hypothetical deal back into it from his own pocket. Nobody can explain how he could make money doing this because the club needs funding It's actually very easy in theory - but I`m not getting drawn into it - just dangerous territory all round Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcfluff1985 Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 6 hours ago, wiseowl said: It's actually very easy in theory - but I`m not getting drawn into it - just dangerous territory all round Explain it. Hypothetically Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveecky Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 Looking at the squad, it’s self evident that we are short of defenders in numbers as well as quality. Perhaps more will come in when the Bury situation blows up completely and the players can walk away? Whatever happens the defence will be weak starting the season, and the midfield has numbers but not the kind of battlers needed for L2. Maybe Al’s plan is to develop youngsters in the hope of selling them back to French clubs! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OAFC1984 Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 1 hour ago, steveecky said: Looking at the squad, it’s self evident that we are short of quality. Perhaps more will come in when the Bury situation blows up completely and the players can walk away? Whatever happens the defence will be weak starting the season, and the midfield has numbers but not the kind of battlers needed for L2. Maybe Al’s plan is to develop youngsters in the hope of selling them back to French clubs! Fify Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 The squad that someone listed on here we currently have lacks quality and experience. On top of that only 6 players are contracted beyond the end of this coming season so I’d imagine with relegation a fair possibility it will be a case of starting all over again with almost a blank slate in the National League, maybe he is cost cutting by getting relegated and reducing the wage bill even further at a lower level? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crusoe Posted July 31, 2019 Author Share Posted July 31, 2019 10 hours ago, Ritchierich said: It surely has to be on the other side of the deal...ie do we actually own 100% of the player or do we find that if any of them make it and are sold on a chunk of the fee goes to the agency that AL and MO obviously have no connection with now, at all , whatsoever in any shape or form. Or, is it possible that it is legit and they genuinely believe they are using their connections to tap in to a low cost, undiscovered pool of talent? Perhaps Barry and the Trust Board member could provide some clarity Third party ownership was banned by FIFA with effect from May 2015. The authorities would come down on us like a ton of bricks if that was suspected. Of course I'm sure there are dodgy dealings still happening around the world, but I'm struggling to see how anyone could profit from filling the club with players that aren't good enough. Putting a turd in a shop window doesn't make it a must-buy. And the worse the club do, the less appealing our players are to buyers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_Og Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 15 minutes ago, Crusoe said: Third party ownership was banned by FIFA with effect from May 2015. The authorities would come down on us like a ton of bricks if that was suspected. Of course I'm sure there are dodgy dealings still happening around the world, but I'm struggling to see how anyone could profit from filling the club with players that aren't good enough. Putting a turd in a shop window doesn't make it a must-buy. And the worse the club do, the less appealing our players are to buyers. Indeed. I've long since dismissed any notion of nefarious motives and just assume incompetence/delusion now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crusoe Posted July 31, 2019 Author Share Posted July 31, 2019 Anyway. Egert and McHale to sign today? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nzlatic Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 There have been a few people saying that the window runs up to end of August so plenty of time to sign players etc, so I thought I'd have a little look back. Info from wikipedia so may be incorrect... Here's a list of players signed after the season has started, going back 5 years: 2017/18: Kyeremeh, Placide, Nepomuceno, Omrani, Macouche, Byrne (L), Bryan (L), Doyle (L), Ruddy (L), Menig (L) 2016/17: McLaughlin, Dunne, Ladapo (L), Jahraldo-Martin, Dummigan 2015/16: Yeates, Stankevicius (L) 2014/15: Noble, Poleon, Tidser (L), Wilkinson (L) 2013/14: Philliskirk, Lanzoni, Kusunga, Rachubka, Mills (L), Rusnak (L) I'd argue that in 4 of those seasons (2013/14 to 2016/17) we made very few signings after the season started who had a big impact on the first team during that season. However, in 2017/2018 quite a few of those late signings became important first team players. Just a shame that by the time of the last signing (Maouche on September 12) we had 4 points from the first 7 games and were ultimately relegated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rudemedic Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 5 minutes ago, nzlatic said: There have been a few people saying that the window runs up to end of August so plenty of time to sign players etc, so I thought I'd have a little look back. Info from wikipedia so may be incorrect... Here's a list of players signed after the season has started, going back 5 years: 2017/18: Kyeremeh, Placide, Nepomuceno, Omrani, Macouche, Byrne (L), Bryan (L), Doyle (L), Ruddy (L), Menig (L) 2016/17: McLaughlin, Dunne, Ladapo (L), Jahraldo-Martin, Dummigan 2015/16: Yeates, Stankevicius (L) 2014/15: Noble, Poleon, Tidser (L), Wilkinson (L) 2013/14: Philliskirk, Lanzoni, Kusunga, Rachubka, Mills (L), Rusnak (L) I'd argue that in 4 of those seasons (2013/14 to 2016/17) we made very few signings after the season started who had a big impact on the first team during that season. However, in 2017/2018 quite a few of those late signings became important first team players. Just a shame that by the time of the last signing (Maouche on September 12) we had 4 points from the first 7 games and were ultimately relegated. To complete the list last season we signed the following after the season started. Sylla (January), Sefil (J), Vera (J), Lang (L), Lyden (L), Palmer (Emergency Loan), Iacovitti (L-J), Afolayan (L-J), Dearnley (L-J). Lang is really the only player who was first choice for the whole season from that lot. It's not unusual for loan signings to be completed in August. I'd expect we might have a few loan signings to come given how we have only got one so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singe Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 10 hours ago, penrhyn said: lol if they could all start Saturday we might get a point as it stands looks like a 6-0 hammering. Prediction League klaxon. Paging @lookersstandandy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nzlatic Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 Just now, rudemedic said: To complete the list last season we signed the following after the season started. Sylla (January), Sefil (J), Vera (J), Lang (L), Lyden (L), Palmer (Emergency Loan), Iacovitti (L-J), Afolayan (L-J), Dearnley (L-J). Lang is really the only player who was first choice for the whole season from that lot. It's not unusual for loan signings to be completed in August. I'd expect we might have a few loan signings to come given how we have only got one so far. Ha, not sure why I didn't include last season. Yes - last season Lang and Lyden came in on loan after the season started. I was only looking at signings between the start of the season and the end of the August window (except 17/18 when I included some unattached September signings), not January signings. But the point still stands - I was looking to see if it rings true that decent signings are made in this period coming up to try and find a crumb of optimism! It seems the only season we did do this in recent years they came too late as we had a terrible start and ended up going down. Loan signings may come in, but they would normally compliment/improve a decent and settled squad that's had the bulk of pre-season together. This season it feels like we are clinging to the hope that any incoming loans will be key first team players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lookersstandandy Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 11 hours ago, penrhyn said: lol if they could all start Saturday we might get a point as it stands looks like a 6-0 hammering. 8 minutes ago, singe said: Prediction League klaxon. Paging @lookersstandandy Step this way please penrhyn.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris15Arm Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 1 hour ago, rudemedic said: To complete the list last season we signed the following after the season started. Sylla (January), Sefil (J), Vera (J), Lang (L), Lyden (L), Palmer (Emergency Loan), Iacovitti (L-J), Afolayan (L-J), Dearnley (L-J). Lang is really the only player who was first choice for the whole season from that lot. It's not unusual for loan signings to be completed in August. I'd expect we might have a few loan signings to come given how we have only got one so far. And was Surridge not after the season kicked off? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crusoe Posted July 31, 2019 Author Share Posted July 31, 2019 So, to recap: providing that by 5pm on Monday 2 September we have... - at least 1 new experienced centre back - preferably a better left back - a better creative central midfielder - at least one striker who's scored more than five goals outside the Ruritanian Dunkin Donuts Regional Championship Division 3 - a new manager and assistant - a new owner who's not a pantomime villain ...we'll be laughing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nzlatic Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 1 hour ago, Chris15Arm said: And was Surridge not after the season kicked off? Signed on 30 July. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_mighty_bosh Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 Egert does his interview before signing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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