nzlatic Posted March 5, 2020 Share Posted March 5, 2020 10 minutes ago, latics22 said: Personally I dont think AL settling the debt is a disaster, shows he has funds, shows hes very committed to the club, hes changed his recruitment policy. Big push next season, fans will come back. Where have the funds come from seeing as he couldn’t pay wages last week? Where will fans sit seeing as big bad Barry won’t open the north stand? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nohairdontcare Posted March 5, 2020 Share Posted March 5, 2020 So instead of hoping for a top half finish many of us are hoping for administration - and now even that seems like an aspiration that’s beyond us. Not easy, supporting Latics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBigDog Posted March 5, 2020 Share Posted March 5, 2020 29 minutes ago, latics22 said: Personally I dont think AL settling the debt is a disaster, shows he has funds, shows hes very committed to the club, hes changed his recruitment policy. Big push next season, fans will come back. Does he have the funds though or has he, as someone has already suggested, sold the debt on? I am not convinced that AL has a long term financial plan or even the wherewithal to fund that plan. Granted he has changed his recent recruitment policy and that change has brought about an improvement in quality and style of play. Will he continue on this path or revert to the, by and large, failed foreign policy? There are so many things that are against him and whereas he has learned some lessons he continues to make errors of judgement to the detriment of the club. He has lost a large percentage of fans and the financial support these fans bring with them. He needs financial backing or he needs to sell to a ‘fit and proper’ person who can halt the slide before we disappear. Committed or stubborn? He cannot continue as he is doing. It’s a pivotal time for the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiseowl Posted March 5, 2020 Share Posted March 5, 2020 12 hours ago, underdog said: Good news if true. any mention of the rent? 32 minutes ago, latics22 said: Personally I dont think AL settling the debt is a disaster, shows he has funds, shows hes very committed to the club, hes changed his recruitment policy. Big push next season, fans will come back. Shakes head in disbelief. This club is fractured like it has never been before and some people (including an influential ex Trust member) think this regime still being around in the future is "good news"?!! Delusional. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_Og Posted March 5, 2020 Share Posted March 5, 2020 36 minutes ago, latics22 said: Personally I dont think AL settling the debt is a disaster, shows he has funds, shows hes very committed to the club, hes changed his recruitment policy. Big push next season, fans will come back. And we won 5-0 last week!! What crisis??!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lags Posted March 5, 2020 Share Posted March 5, 2020 Any Latics fan who longs for the club to have better times, then their the best course of action would be to attend matches and once again become a Latics supporter. If they continue to dislike the owner, show their dislike at each and every match. Whatever way they see fit, banners, chants or face to face. Starving the club of money will only hurt the club long term. Most owners who up sticks tend to walk away still quite wealthy whilst the club remains crippled. Just another view Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris15Arm Posted March 5, 2020 Share Posted March 5, 2020 4 minutes ago, Lags said: Any Latics fan who longs for the club to have better times, then their the best course of action would be to attend matches and once again become a Latics supporter. If they continue to dislike the owner, show their dislike at each and every match. Whatever way they see fit, banners, chants or face to face. Starving the club of money will only hurt the club long term. Most owners who up sticks tend to walk away still quite wealthy whilst the club remains crippled. Just another view I agree but cant blame them. I've missed 3 games recently through working and I'm thinkin of not going back as we won 3-1, 3-0 and 5-0 in my absence haha and drawn or lost the games I've been to haha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lags Posted March 5, 2020 Share Posted March 5, 2020 5 minutes ago, Chris15Arm said: I agree but cant blame them. I've missed 3 games recently through working and I'm thinkin of not going back as we won 3-1, 3-0 and 5-0 in my absence haha and drawn or lost the games I've been to haha Mmmm I can see your logic there. For the greater good of club/results, stay away!! Maybe try the next match and if we lose, you know what to do Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted March 5, 2020 Share Posted March 5, 2020 1 hour ago, lookersstandandy said: What about if his funds have come from Bassini? Why would he give AL money? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midsblue Posted March 5, 2020 Share Posted March 5, 2020 FLG has gone very quiet these last 2/3 days. I believed that they had first refusal on purchase of ground, stadium & OEC....another twist and turn imminent?! Even if Bassini obtains funding, he wants the whole lot and not just the club. Pointless just buying the club as it’ll always be loss-generating at this level. The OEC income, which Lemsagam stupidly has declined, is the buffer to make this club sustainable. This is why I’m amazed Lemsagam has managed to secure funding (or not) but refuses to engage with those responsible for running OEC. If Blitz’s debt has been settled then Lemsagam has miraculously obtained funding from somewhere other than Bassini... or Bassini has brokered an arrangement between Lemsagam and his funders. There’s been a lot of rumour that Lemsagam has been borrowing since day 1 hence why he cannot walk away. This is why money has dried up again. If Lemsagam has persuaded someone lend him £700k for something worth a hell of lot less then it’s a shame Lemsagam cannot covert his ability to wheel/deal off the field onto the field - we’d be above Swindon by now! Personally I still see administration happening unless Blitz sells our soul to another devil irrespective of what he’s promised to the FLG. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lookersstandandy Posted March 5, 2020 Share Posted March 5, 2020 10 minutes ago, BP1960 said: Why would he give AL money? .....to buy the club off him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rudemedic Posted March 5, 2020 Share Posted March 5, 2020 10 minutes ago, BP1960 said: Why would he give AL money? To be put against the cost of buying the club? It's a bit like how AL was funding some transfers and wages when Corney was still nominally the owner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nzlatic Posted March 5, 2020 Share Posted March 5, 2020 30 minutes ago, Lags said: Any Latics fan who longs for the club to have better times, then their the best course of action would be to attend matches and once again become a Latics supporter. If they continue to dislike the owner, show their dislike at each and every match. Whatever way they see fit, banners, chants or face to face. Starving the club of money will only hurt the club long term. Most owners who up sticks tend to walk away still quite wealthy whilst the club remains crippled. Just another view What about those who want to sit in the north stand? Should they just pay up for a ticket for a different one and tut quietly in the direction of the directors box? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monty Burns Posted March 5, 2020 Share Posted March 5, 2020 far better to piff in their general direction Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted March 5, 2020 Share Posted March 5, 2020 17 minutes ago, lookersstandandy said: .....to buy the club off him? The EFL might not let him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lags Posted March 5, 2020 Share Posted March 5, 2020 15 minutes ago, nzlatic said: What about those who want to sit in the north stand? Should they just pay up for a ticket for a different one and tut quietly in the direction of the directors box? Agreed not ideal if you prefer the North Stand, not ideal for me in the MSP my ST seat tends to be occupied since the closure. There again, I always stood then sat in the Chaddy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lookersstandandy Posted March 5, 2020 Share Posted March 5, 2020 Just now, BP1960 said: The EFL might not let him .....my understanding is, he failed to buy Bolton because he couldn't prove he had the funds..... not because he failed FPPT...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeroyboy Posted March 5, 2020 Share Posted March 5, 2020 1 hour ago, nzlatic said: Where have the funds come from seeing as he couldn’t pay wages last week? Where will fans sit seeing as big bad Barry won’t open the north stand? What would be the point of fans worrying, or even challenging, where the money is coming from. Action success, is their priority. The gates are down to roughly 500 pay on the day supporters. That is pretty damning when combined with the inept, cash strapped train wreck of the last three seasons. I suspect the annual spring, cash windfall from season tickets is about to fall of the cliff. For all we know AL may be pretty happy with the way things have gone concerning any ulterior motive he and any partners had for owning a football club. It certainly doesn’t look like winning football matches was one of them. If AL manages to find the money to settle his debts his next step should be to move the season ticket deadline offer to the end of July. His next move should then be to sign some bloody players who we know or can judge. We have backed him twice and been robbed. It’s now his turn. Where will fans sit? In the North Stand or anywhere else if we are top of the League. Anyone else owning the club will almost certainly be another ‘Wing and a Prayer’. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haribo_man Posted March 5, 2020 Share Posted March 5, 2020 51 minutes ago, Lags said: Any Latics fan who longs for the club to have better times, then their the best course of action would be to attend matches and once again become a Latics supporter. If they continue to dislike the owner, show their dislike at each and every match. Whatever way they see fit, banners, chants or face to face. Starving the club of money will only hurt the club long term. Most owners who up sticks tend to walk away still quite wealthy whilst the club remains crippled. Just another view Sorry Lags, I just can't trust this bloke in charge to use any income wisely. Until I see a significant change in his approach my hard earned is staying firmly in my pocket. Not one fan choosing to stay away will be preventing the club from improving, it is purely down to the actions of the owner. I would not criticise anybody still wishing to go and watch and a support the team however if anybody doing so feels that they can take a morale high ground or if they consider that they are keeping the club alive then the need to have a rethink. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lags Posted March 5, 2020 Share Posted March 5, 2020 2 minutes ago, Haribo_man said: Sorry Lags, I just can't trust this bloke in charge to use any income wisely. Until I see a significant change in his approach my hard earned is staying firmly in my pocket. Not one fan choosing to stay away are preventing the club from improving, it is purely down to the actions of the owner. I would not criticise anybody still wishing to go and watch and a support the team however if anybody doing so feels that they can take a morale high ground or if they consider that they are keeping the club alive then the need to have a rethink. I take your point and for sure it's for the individual to decide. No moral high ground from me, for me it's simple, no cash into the club then the club suffers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_Og Posted March 5, 2020 Share Posted March 5, 2020 9 minutes ago, lookersstandandy said: .....my understanding is, he failed to buy Bolton because he couldn't prove he had the funds..... not because he failed FPPT...... Yep, don't think it got as far as the D&O test Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nzlatic Posted March 5, 2020 Share Posted March 5, 2020 1 minute ago, Lags said: Agreed not ideal if you prefer the North Stand, not ideal for me in the MSP. Not ideal for me either my ST seat tends to be occupied since the closure. There again, I always stood then sat in the Chaddy. Thing is Lags, and this is one of the main problems I have with the current ownership, the way that whole episode has been handled has been without any thought to the fans. They could have got round the table rather than get the stand closed, agreed a temporary arrangement to get to the summer then when they had a few months with no games on they could have sought to change the deal. And they could have said to season ticket holders in that stand that the early bird offer would be kept open until the stand is resolved, not try and force them into buying for a different stand. As others have said, how can they be trusted with the money when there is seemingly no plan, nor is there any effort to try and get the fans onside. It's all a shambles. Especially when we've supposedly had a 'fan on the board' for however many years who is now a highly trusted advisor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singe Posted March 5, 2020 Share Posted March 5, 2020 17 minutes ago, BP1960 said: The EFL might not let him We all know there is absolutely no chance of that. a) He's served his 3 year ban. 2) They are bloody useless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lags Posted March 5, 2020 Share Posted March 5, 2020 2 minutes ago, nzlatic said: Thing is Lags, and this is one of the main problems I have with the current ownership, the way that whole episode has been handled has been without any thought to the fans. They could have got round the table rather than get the stand closed, agreed a temporary arrangement to get to the summer then when they had a few months with no games on they could have sought to change the deal. And they could have said to season ticket holders in that stand that the early bird offer would be kept open until the stand is resolved, not try and force them into buying for a different stand. As others have said, how can they be trusted with the money when there is seemingly no plan, nor is there any effort to try and get the fans onside. It's all a shambles. Especially when we've supposedly had a 'fan on the board' for however many years who is now a highly trusted advisor. I hear you and yes all the points you raise are valid. I certainly ain't an AL fanatic. Some of the players they've brought in have been dire. Some of the decisions made have been less than poor. However what I will say is AL and the current board are not the only players that's brought the club to the shambles it is today. To many trying to get one over and take out of the club for it to be a successful operation. The club is fractured from top to bottom, including the fan base. Starving the club of cash at any point will hurt the club, let alone now. Fight for change from within is what I would advocate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singe Posted March 5, 2020 Share Posted March 5, 2020 11 minutes ago, Lags said: I take your point and for sure it's for the individual to decide. No moral high ground from me, for me it's simple, no cash into the club then the club suffers. But the club suffers when he is in control of that cash. He just wastes it. We've gone massively backwards, from an already lousy position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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