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2 hours ago, oafc 123 said:

 

I do agree but there was a hell of a lot left wing propaganda before the last election on social media.  Corbyn was all over Twitter especially and it was extremely pro Labour.

  

 

There's propaganda (which all sides take part in) and downright lies and misleading claims. 90% of Tory FB paid ads during the General Election were classed as misleading or debunked Fake News compared to 0% on the Labour side. Labour attempted to try and run a fair campaign and got trashed for it.

 

End of the day, the top echelons of society desperately want a Tory leadership to protect their interests and, as proved in the GE, they'll do anything - no matter how underhand - to achieve this.

 

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2 hours ago, Matt said:

 

Absolutely, they did a job on Corbyn (they did a similar job on Michael Foot too back in the day). Spin machines churn out memes and bot posts about MP's getting numbers mixed up, or just for eating a sandwich, or drinking a can; however you can count on one hand how many memes there are about an MP saying Grenfell victims lacked common sense, or the successive MP's who lost and destroyed a hundred sex case files at the Home Office, etc.

 

General public are being played.

“ They did a job on Corbyn”........Ashworth didn’t half help though 

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13 hours ago, Frankly Mr Shankly said:

 

There's propaganda (which all sides take part in) and downright lies and misleading claims. 90% of Tory FB paid ads during the General Election were classed as misleading or debunked Fake News compared to 0% on the Labour side. Labour attempted to try and run a fair campaign and got trashed for it.

 

End of the day, the top echelons of society desperately want a Tory leadership to protect their interests and, as proved in the GE, they'll do anything - no matter how underhand - to achieve this.

 


That is nonsense. 

 

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16 hours ago, Matt said:

 

Absolutely, they did a job on Corbyn (they did a similar job on Michael Foot too back in the day). Spin machines churn out memes and bot posts about MP's getting numbers mixed up, or just for eating a sandwich, or drinking a can; however you can count on one hand how many memes there are about an MP saying Grenfell victims lacked common sense, or the successive MP's who lost and destroyed a hundred sex case files at the Home Office, etc.

 

General public are being played.

I think a pet hamster could have done a job on Corbyn. Zero credibility, and that's not to suggest anything positive about the incumbent PM. 

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Corbyn was catastophicaly inept. His supporters red on red attacks significantly helped propel the shambles of a Government retain power too.

There is huge irony to me in the right wing of the media succesfully attacking him on being a socialist who would uncontrollably spend followed 6 months later by Tories spending nigh on £250 billion.
Not that I am casting aspertions on the furlough or job retention schemes, I am benefitting greatly and hugely appreciate them, but I think the media furore would have forced a Corbyn Govt to spend less!

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58 minutes ago, Bobledgersheart said:

The difference lies in that the Labour party would hopefully have nudged more of the money towards the public sector instead of sating the avaricious Tory hangers-on.

Probably true.

The entire Track & Trace debacle, from the Isle of Wight to Excel would not have made the cut in The Thick of It,far too far fetched.
I'd hoped the Government does not lurch back to privatisation dogma, recognising the ideal is a mix of Govt & private enterprise.
The Government should focus on security, safety, standards, structural and support of the country though, and some things regarded of sacrosanct for private input really should return into the Government catergory post Covid.

There is a golden cross party opportunity to really look at the needs of the country in a period of reflection, but the majority handed to it, means that will not happen.

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38 minutes ago, Bobledgersheart said:

Quite correct, it was the outdated software the NHS was using due to a chronic lack of investment.

The NHS has had money thrown at it left, right and centre but it's seriously outdated and no longer fit for purpose because the numbers it serves are 10 fold what they were and rising.

High time, every person over the age of 16 made a monthly insurance payment, like you do on everything else you rely on

Time to ante up and then you might be able to justify the investment you so crave.

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7 minutes ago, OLDHAMADE said:

The NHS has had money thrown at it left, right and centre but it's seriously outdated and no longer fit for purpose because the numbers it serves are 10 fold what they were and rising.

High time, every person over the age of 16 made a monthly insurance payment, like you do on everything else you rely on

Time to ante up and then you might be able to justify the investment you so crave.

We do, it's called National Insurance. I agree though, there is no possibility that the NHS can be what people want and expect it to be. 

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12 minutes ago, Dave_Og said:

We do, it's called National Insurance. I agree though, there is no possibility that the NHS can be what people want and expect it to be. 

That stamp covers your pension and makes up the shortfall of every single  benefit claimant in and out of our country, not much left!

Once the TV licence has gone, they could use that spare money, no more excuses.

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7 minutes ago, OLDHAMADE said:

That stamp covers your pension and makes up the shortfall of every single  benefit claimant in and out of our country, not much left!

Once the TV licence has gone, they could use that spare money, no more excuses.

It doesn't cover your pension. The state pension is a Ponzi scheme. 

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38 minutes ago, OLDHAMADE said:

The NHS has had money thrown at it left, right and centre but it's seriously outdated and no longer fit for purpose because the numbers it serves are 10 fold what they were and rising.

High time, every person over the age of 16 made a monthly insurance payment, like you do on everything else you rely on

Time to ante up and then you might be able to justify the investment you so crave.

Good luck trying to get a 16 year old to part with money. It was nigh on impossible getting them into a final salary pension scheme where he employer paid twice as much as they did. 

If income tax was at the rate it should be (say 25%) the NHS could "waste" as much as it wanted and still provide a good service for ALL.

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3 hours ago, OLDHAMADE said:

The NHS has had money thrown at it left, right and centre but it's seriously outdated and no longer fit for purpose because the numbers it serves are 10 fold what they were and rising.

High time, every person over the age of 16 made a monthly insurance payment, like you do on everything else you rely on

Time to ante up and then you might be able to justify the investment you so crave.

 

I don't think spending has changed much for ten years - whatever increase that has been applied to the NHS has pretty much stopped the decline rather than improve the service, as most trusts are in deficit anyway. I can tell you first hand, whenever the NHS interfaces with a subcontracted private health company, it usually falls on its arse and the NHS get's blamed. I can't embellish this with any details because it's all a bit sensitive.

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19 hours ago, singe said:

Corbyn was catastophicaly inept. His supporters red on red attacks significantly helped propel the shambles of a Government retain power too.

 

I think there was an internal party exercise to constantly smear Corbyn as well don't forget. He certainly wasn't a leader of men, he was the wrong man at the perfect time for a potential Labour GE win - which is a shame, because there were some really good Labour policies that could've helped a lot of people right now.

 

We are where we are, and we're the all poorer for it.

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9 minutes ago, Matt said:

 

I think there was an internal party exercise to constantly smear Corbyn as well don't forget. He certainly wasn't a leader of men, he was the wrong man at the perfect time for a potential Labour GE win - which is a shame, because there we're some really good Labour policies that could've helped a lot of people right.

 

We are where we are, and we're all poorer for it.

It was Labour Party members who elected him leader . It wasn’t the right wing media .   The party needs to look inwards rather than merely chant  “ we hate Tories”

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24 minutes ago, Behind Closed Doors said:

It was Labour Party members who elected him leader . It wasn’t the right wing media .   The party needs to look inwards rather than merely chant  “ we hate Tories”

Hating the tories just feels right. The witch started this. 

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29 minutes ago, disjointed said:

Hating the tories just feels right. The witch started this. 

Not sure the world started in 1979....I seem to remember 3 day weeks , unburied dead , mounds of rubbish ,power cuts , Latics playing Chesterfield ( I think) in the cup ( I think)  on a Tuesday afternoon In front of 10,000 .....

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12 minutes ago, Behind Closed Doors said:

Not sure the world started in 1979....I seem to remember 3 day weeks , unburied dead , mounds of rubbish ,power cuts , Latics playing Chesterfield ( I think) in the cup ( I think)  on a Tuesday afternoon In front of 10,000 .....

That would be 3 day weeks and power cuts under Heath’s Tories rather than Thatcher’s would it? 

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3 hours ago, Dave_Og said:

We do, it's called National Insurance. I agree though, there is no possibility that the NHS can be what people want and expect it to be. 


I have paid National Insurance for 20 years - when I fell on hard times I was told I was entitled to 6 months help based on my contributions- work that one out 

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