Behind Closed Doors Posted October 17, 2020 Share Posted October 17, 2020 18 minutes ago, Worcester Owl said: You won't need to repay your pension fund. Gilts, or government IOUs, are repaid by the government at maturity to whoever has invested in them. If your pension fund wants to redeem them earlier, there is a highly liquid secondary market available for your pension fund to sell them in. As it happens a large proportion of government debt has been bought by the Bank of England under QE, so you might argue that it's one arm of the state borrowing from another, a.k.a. printing money. Yes but the bottom line is that the govt uses my money to repay its bonds gilts etc......govt don’t have money they use money they collect. I fully appreciate that is massively over simplistic and I won’t notice the extra revenue collected from me over the years but to quote Amber Rudd ( remember her? ) there are no money trees aka unsustainable ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monty Burns Posted October 17, 2020 Share Posted October 17, 2020 Of course it's unsustainable, pretty much everything humans (as a whole) do is short term and unsustainable. Just keep paying your taxes, go buy some shiny things and shut up . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Behind Closed Doors Posted October 17, 2020 Share Posted October 17, 2020 39 minutes ago, Monty Burns said: Of course it's unsustainable, pretty much everything humans (as a whole) do is short term and unsustainable. Just keep paying your taxes, go buy some shiny things and shut up . Yes and no and no Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monty Burns Posted October 17, 2020 Share Posted October 17, 2020 ffs it wasn't an instruction it was a description Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Behind Closed Doors Posted October 17, 2020 Share Posted October 17, 2020 5 minutes ago, Monty Burns said: ffs it wasn't an instruction it was a description It wasn’t a reply it was an observation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monty Burns Posted October 17, 2020 Share Posted October 17, 2020 Good one Madge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al_bro Posted October 17, 2020 Share Posted October 17, 2020 Back on topic. The Chinese are allowing people in Yiwu (somewhere in the East of China) to buy a vaccine at £45 per shot. They queue up to get a number, then queue again at one of the health centres where they were testing. It's not been officially approved yet, but they are telling the public to buy the vaccine if they want immunity. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-asia-china-54582150 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobledgersheart Posted October 17, 2020 Share Posted October 17, 2020 8 minutes ago, al_bro said: 345Back on topic. The Chinese are allowing people in Yiwu (somewhere in the East of China) to buy a vaccine at £45 per shot. They queue up to get a number, then queue again at one of the health centres where they were testing. It's not been officially approved yet, but they are telling the public to buy the vaccine if they want immunity. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-asia-china-54582150 Pay £45 to be a guinea pig ? It's not fully tested yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al_bro Posted October 17, 2020 Share Posted October 17, 2020 9 minutes ago, Bobledgersheart said: Pay £45 to be a guinea pig ? It's not fully tested yet. That's why it hasn't been approved. They really are guinea pigs. More news on the Oxford vaccine. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/health-54542571 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
latics22 Posted October 17, 2020 Share Posted October 17, 2020 20 hours ago, Behind Closed Doors said: Yes but my pension fund is still lending it against it a belief that I , or my successors, will have to use my receipts from the pension fund to contribute to repaying the pension fund When the bubble bursts we are might fucked ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hands on Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 Kate is just making farting sounds. Rider in Giro has just tested positive six months after he had Covid. That is what coronaviruses can do reinfect even after only a short period. Vaccine next year possible?probable but it won't stop people being infected so that the virus goes underground, so to speak, and makes things more dangerous. The future is not so bright particularly facing a winter in the "very high". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Behind Closed Doors Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 1 hour ago, Hands on said: Kate is just making farting sounds. Rider in Giro has just tested positive six months after he had Covid. That is what coronaviruses can do reinfect even after only a short period. Vaccine next year possible?probable but it won't stop people being infected so that the virus goes underground, so to speak, and makes things more dangerous. The future is not so bright particularly facing a winter in the "very high". So going forward no different than flu and its vaccine and its annual toll ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al_bro Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 19 hours ago, Behind Closed Doors said: So going forward no different than flu and its vaccine and its annual toll ? Possibly, but at the moment it seems very rare to catch it twice. Perhaps some people don't develop enough antibodies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Behind Closed Doors Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 44 minutes ago, al_bro said: Possibly, but at the moment it seems very rare to catch it twice. Perhaps some people don't develop enough antibodies. Statistically It is rare to catch it once let alone twice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rudemedic Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 On 10/21/2020 at 6:37 PM, Behind Closed Doors said: Statistically It is rare to catch it once let alone twice The same can be said about Influenza. On 10/21/2020 at 5:51 PM, al_bro said: Possibly, but at the moment it seems very rare to catch it twice. Perhaps some people don't develop enough antibodies. As a cyclist his immune system might not be the best, that's without considering the sort of stuff that cyclists used to do that damages the immune system. The cyclist was asymptomatic so it is more feasible his recent positive test was a false positive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Behind Closed Doors Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 7 hours ago, rudemedic said: The same can be said about Influenza. . You will know far better than I but once a vaccine is found ( which almost certainly won’t be a silver bullet) wont Covid 19 just become another seasonal illness and threat with similar mitigations and consequences as we have for What we know as influenza Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rudemedic Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 13 hours ago, Behind Closed Doors said: You will know far better than I but once a vaccine is found ( which almost certainly won’t be a silver bullet) wont Covid 19 just become another seasonal illness and threat with similar mitigations and consequences as we have for What we know as influenza Not certain. It will depend on lots of factors. COVID-19 is certainly more deadly than Influenza but there aren't as many strains of COVID-19. So a vaccine against it might not have to be seasonal, but I wouldn't be surprised if you need more than 1 vaccine to have life-long immunity. How effective any vaccine against COVID-19 is against other coronaviruses is another issue. There is certainly a risk of COVID-27 etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
latics22 Posted October 24, 2020 Share Posted October 24, 2020 10 hours ago, rudemedic said: Not certain. It will depend on lots of factors. COVID-19 is certainly more deadly than Influenza but there aren't as many strains of COVID-19. So a vaccine against it might not have to be seasonal, but I wouldn't be surprised if you need more than 1 vaccine to have life-long immunity. How effective any vaccine against COVID-19 is against other coronaviruses is another issue. There is certainly a risk of COVID-27 etc. The uk death rate is currently lower than average for this time of year, even with covid and flu thrown in. It currently isnt more deadly, the hospitals are better prepared this time around and have become smarter at treating it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monty Burns Posted October 24, 2020 Share Posted October 24, 2020 9 minutes ago, latics22 said: The uk death rate is currently lower than average for this time of year, even with covid and flu thrown in. It currently isnt more deadly, the hospitals are better prepared this time around and have become smarter at treating it. True. That's bc more people are washing their hands more plus social distancing and masks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monty Burns Posted October 24, 2020 Share Posted October 24, 2020 However heading into the long dark nites everybody inside w the heating on w such a high infection base could be big trouble. Still see buses absolutely rammed and steamed up to fuck, that can't be good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobledgersheart Posted October 24, 2020 Share Posted October 24, 2020 1 hour ago, latics22 said: The uk death rate is currently lower than average for this time of year, even with covid and flu thrown in. It currently isnt more deadly, the hospitals are better prepared this time around and have become smarter at treating it. ................could be because a lot of vulnerable people have already died. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaticMark Posted October 24, 2020 Share Posted October 24, 2020 "Having monitored all recent COVID information, and considering the recent positive test registered by our Head Coach, we have this week completed a thorough testing process on our first team squad. This has resulted in one positive case. The individual is now isolating for the required number of days." https://www.oldhamathletic.co.uk/news/2020/october/24102020-covid-19-update/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al_bro Posted October 25, 2020 Share Posted October 25, 2020 On 10/24/2020 at 2:30 PM, LaticMark said: "Having monitored all recent COVID information, and considering the recent positive test registered by our Head Coach, we have this week completed a thorough testing process on our first team squad. This has resulted in one positive case. The individual is now isolating for the required number of days." https://www.oldhamathletic.co.uk/news/2020/october/24102020-covid-19-update/ So they haven't been thorough in the past then! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pidge Posted October 25, 2020 Share Posted October 25, 2020 1 hour ago, al_bro said: So they haven't been thorough in the past then! The EFL does not recommend regular testing. It is an expensive business for teams who can’t pay their normal bills. Approx £100 a shot! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted October 25, 2020 Share Posted October 25, 2020 1 hour ago, Pidge said: The EFL does not recommend regular testing. It is an expensive business for teams who can’t pay their normal bills. Approx £100 a shot! Paying our 2 holding midfielders £100 to have a shot at goal would be more like it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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