yarddog73 Posted July 5, 2020 Share Posted July 5, 2020 38 minutes ago, League one forever said: All hypothetical as you say. He rightly gets huge credit for what he’s done at Swindon. However It doesn’t change the fact he failed with us. He was given 6 of his own signings in January in the one season AL threw relatively good money at the squad. He took next to no points in the final 8 games- a run which on its own has seen managers sacked. When that run culminates in relegation he has to own that. Plus he didn’t come in blind- he’d seen first hand what happened to shez and still took it- good on him. But then don’t blame the dodgy owner you knew you would be working for when things don’t go well. Look at yourself before blaming everybody else. He was set up to fail that is indisputable, are we really going round in circles blaming manager after manager when it is clear that the major factor is a meddling chairman with his stooges in tow, Wellens gives zero fucks about what went on here, he walked into a similar profile job as anyone in the game will tell you the clubs a fucking circus and just like players deemed surplus who go on to better things, managers are just the same, just because he knew what went on when Shez was here doesn't mean he has to suffer the same shit, surely given the start we'd had he deserved a bit of slack from they who know best? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
League one forever Posted July 5, 2020 Share Posted July 5, 2020 58 minutes ago, yarddog73 said: He was set up to fail that is indisputable, are we really going round in circles blaming manager after manager when it is clear that the major factor is a meddling chairman with his stooges in tow, Wellens gives zero fucks about what went on here, he walked into a similar profile job as anyone in the game will tell you the clubs a fucking circus and just like players deemed surplus who go on to better things, managers are just the same, just because he knew what went on when Shez was here doesn't mean he has to suffer the same shit, surely given the start we'd had he deserved a bit of slack from they who know best? We’re not talking about how shit AL is. We’re discussing Wellens record as a football manager whilst at our club. ‘He was set up to fail’ - We’ll don’t take the job then!? Plenty of managers turn down jobs when they know through football circles that the said club is a joke. Wellens wasn’t an outsider going against his mates advice- he had worked there for months. . . ‘Just because he knew what went on with shez doesn’t mean he has to suffer’ Are we marriage guidance service? ‘Surely after the start we had he deserved a bit of slack’ - He did ‘get slack’ he got 6 of his own signings, he was given nearly a full season as a rookie manager. (Which by today’s football standards is a decent crack) Wellens first crack at management was a complete failure - that is indisputable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc1955 Posted July 5, 2020 Share Posted July 5, 2020 It still managed to get him the Swindon job in front of several suitable more experienced candidates and he managed a promotion in his 1st season which is more than we’ve achieved here in almost 30 years. The football played in his first few games here were the most enjoyable I’ve witnessed since the heady days of the Joe Royle era and we haven’t got near it since. It is impossible to judge him fairly during his time here as there was so much shit to contend with in the dressing room and behind the scenes. Some of the players he was forced to play didn’t give a shite and weren’t even fit for the National League. I think he’s destined for the Championship, whether that’s with Swindon is debatable but I would have him back here in a heartbeat! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deyres42 Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 It's been done to death, if you only focus on results and ignore the league position when he started as a total rookie, the protracted takeover, the interference, the transfer embargo, wages not being paid on time and the resultant dressing room disharmony then of course you'll think he didn't do a particularly good job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_Og Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 31 minutes ago, deyres42 said: It's been done to death, if you only focus on results and ignore the league position when he started as a total rookie, the protracted takeover, the interference, the transfer embargo, wages not being paid on time and the resultant dressing room disharmony then of course you'll think he didn't do a particularly good job. You're talking a disturbing amount of common sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 1 hour ago, Dave_Og said: You're talking a disturbing amount of common sense. So the same could be said of David Dunn, the likely Barrow manager, who I bet will finish higher than us next season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_Og Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 1 hour ago, BP1960 said: So the same could be said of David Dunn, the likely Barrow manager, who I bet will finish higher than us next season? Don't know, not sure why you're asking me? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
League one forever Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 8 hours ago, deyres42 said: It's been done to death, if you only focus on results and ignore the league position when he started as a total rookie, the protracted takeover, the interference, the transfer embargo, wages not being paid on time and the resultant dressing room disharmony then of course you'll think he didn't do a particularly good job. Thats a nice argument Eyrsey. It really is. Except. . . Bunn had a lot of the same pressures and had his number two sacked, and we were just outside the playoffs. . . but you wanted him gone after 3 games. So your rookie manager- give him a chance- wages not being paid-interference- only applies when you rate a manager. So if you rate him you’ll make every excuse for him, and if you don’t you only look at the football. Which one is it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deyres42 Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 19 minutes ago, League one forever said: Thats a nice argument Eyrsey. It really is. Except. . . Bunn had a lot of the same pressures and had his number two sacked, and we were just outside the playoffs. . . but you wanted him gone after 3 games. So your rookie manager- give him a chance- wages not being paid-interference- only applies when you rate a manager. So if you rate him you’ll make every excuse for him, and if you don’t you only look at the football. Which one is it? Interesting point actually, I do think Bunn gets an easy time from our fans compared to Wellens, given how much more coaching experience he had and how bad everyone says the league is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
League one forever Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 1 hour ago, deyres42 said: Interesting point actually, I do think Bunn gets an easy time from our fans compared to Wellens, given how much more coaching experience he had and how bad everyone says the league is. Just done it again. Talking about Bunn as a football manager- that’s not allowed. What about all the terrible things he had to put with? Surely he should be after championship jobs by your measure? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deyres42 Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 6 minutes ago, League one forever said: Just done it again. Talking about Bunn as a football manager- that’s not allowed. What about all the terrible things he had to put with? Surely he should be after championship jobs by your measure? I'd have hoped a fella, with his experience and considering how long he had wanted the job for, would have been more impressive and made a better fist of it, Wild put him to shame really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
League one forever Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 9 minutes ago, deyres42 said: I'd have hoped a fella, with his experience and considering how long he had wanted the job for, would have been more impressive and made a better fist of it, Wild put him to shame really. I love it. Interesting point about Wild, another one who despite all the terrible things that he had to deal with - still managed to get results. Even big arms has kept us up ‘against all the odds’ The one only who can’t buy a win in his time here is your mate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc 123 Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 13 minutes ago, League one forever said: I love it. Interesting point about Wild, another one who despite all the terrible things that he had to deal with - still managed to get results. Even big arms has kept us up ‘against all the odds’ The one only who can’t buy a win in his time here is your mate. Has Eyresy shagged your mrs. mate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
League one forever Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 12 minutes ago, oafc 123 said: Has Eyresy shagged your mrs. mate? No pal. (At least I hope not ) EYRSEY!!?? You haven’t had a threesome with Wellens and my Mrs have you?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBigDog Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 From one of the ITK lads on Twitter: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
League one forever Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 3 hours ago, TheBigDog said: From one of the ITK lads on Twitter: Can’t wait. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_Og Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 3 hours ago, TheBigDog said: From one of the ITK lads on Twitter: Be a bit of a shocker if it was anything other than very low Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaticMark Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 7 hours ago, TheBigDog said: From one of the ITK lads on Twitter: He's also posted: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlossopLatic Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 Christian N'Guessan FFS! Jamile Matt so so, fairly bog standard L2 non-league striker might get us 10 goals. Im N'Guessan thats another Mo Lemsagam special. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nzlatic Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 Oooh, some exciting rumours there. Strap yourselves in, it's gonna be a mild ride... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al_bro Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 43 minutes ago, GlossopLatic said: Christian N'Guessan FFS! Jamile Matt so so, fairly bog standard L2 non-league striker might get us 10 goals. Im N'Guessan thats another Mo Lemsagam special. Matt has a fairly decent scoring record. N'Guessan can only be backup, if he's even good enough for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristolatic Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 CB-J and Pidge definitely worth going for. If Missilou and Maouche are asking for silly money, tell 'em to piss off, no arguments. Jamille Matt's best goals return has been at Newport, but pretty rubbish before that. Maybe he's improved with age; he's 30 now. A half decent signing, but not one to set the pulse racing. Maybe they see him as a foil for Rowe to feed off. As for N'Guessan, surely Dino can't really want him. Has to be a Flat Cap move, this one, like @GlossopLatic says. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlossopLatic Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 1 hour ago, al_bro said: Matt has a fairly decent scoring record. N'Guessan can only be backup, if he's even good enough for that. His stats showed hes a 1 in 4 striker for Newport and at his other clubs he was even less than that. Hes 30 now so hes not going to get much better. As for NGuessan being back up in the same way that Jonathan Benteke and Gonzalez were back up? Or are they signed because of their agent. Matt is better than Urko Vera but Im not expecting fireworks will probably score enough to keep us in the football league. Exciting times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafcmetty Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 After this lad to play in net https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Farman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LightDN123 Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 If we sign that Burnley lad Jesus Christ. Bring back Omrani Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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