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1 hour ago, Chaddyexile84 said:


brilliant and upsetting in equal measure - sums up how I feel. I’m was taken to my first game at 7 years old by my new dad (stepdad but easily got the full time job) I think it was a 1-1 draw with Sheff Utd. For the next 20 years myself my dad and my grandad went and sat together - my dad lost all interest a few years ago he’d rather go for walks with my mum and my grandad goes out of habit / he openly says he hates it but it gets him out of my grans hair for a few hours. My last game was March 19 against Swindon I think - I don’t have an agenda I’m not boycotting but I just find driving an 80 mile trip to BP and spending money on something that is anything but entertaining beyond me 

 

I am upset about the state of the club and how i have been made to feel about it - when i was at secondary school in the 1970s, i saved all my dinner money so i could afford to watch Latics away - for 5 years i never had a school dinner honestly.  I used to walk to home games if i couldn't afford the bus fares, used to walk from Midd to Oldham Town centre and home in all weathers so i didn't have to pay for a taxi so i could afford coach/ train fares to watch Latics. And i am an agenda lad!!!

 

An example of some fans i know are not planning to go again/ possibly reduce attendance until owners either lose interest and go 

 

LW - age 55ish, watched since 1970s - up to last season, not missed H or A for 7 seasons. Spoke to him at Morecambe last season "Missing games now and don't care anything like as much. Not the club i love"

 

DH - age 58ish, watched since 1970s - business owner has had 7 season tickets for club from business, last season down to 2 - this season either 0 or 1 for himself. Club doesn't do anything to sell itself, employees lost interest. Only now social event meeting old long standing fans (like myself). Watched Latics at all 92 grounds and over 2000 games. 

 

MR - age 56ish - watched since 1970s, missed most of glory days due to having a young family - hates the way the club is run and NS issue was it for him. Not renewing his 2 season tickets. Watched Latics at 80+ away grounds. 

 

ES - age 18 -been going for 5 years since introduced by her sister, loves the club - buys the club shop normally. Cried at Northampton when relegated, second home game was Peterborough 5-4. Not even asked about ST or any new kit. Plays for OAFC girls u18s. 

 

IM - age 56 - been going since 1970s, took his 2 grandchildren to home games for last few seasons as sons no longer go, saw him at Salford last season - not renewing him or his 2 grandkids tickets "Who are going to take them in my absence?" 

 

AW - age 50s - going since 1970s - used to go H&A all over in last few seasons, saw him v Orient home last season "Not renewing, not the club i fell in love with" 

 

Last season, i couldn't go to Cheltenham away so i thought i would support a local business and watch on Live Streaming at a pub in Royton. Only my party (4) and another 4 were there to watch. At half time a pub team came in and my son spoke with one lad who he knew from Latics. The season before (2018-19), there was a minibus that used to pick 16 of them up and take them to Latics, by March 2020, only 1 fan now still attended from those 16. 

 

All the above examples i have quoted came from actual knowledge of supporters' intentions garnered from speaking with them at either home or away games last season, well before COVID-19. The loss of these supporters and many others are due to issues other than the pandemic.   

  

These are just a handful of cases I know of off the top of my head, we are all agenda lads and lasses, not proper fans and they expect we will all turn up if we get a big cup tie!!! That's the contempt with which the club and their acolytes who were recently on the Trust treat us with.   

 

If you think I am an agenda lad fine, if you think i am so shallow that i will just rock up and attend a big game, fine.   Nine years ago, i was diagnosed with advanced prostate cancer (only got checked after driving to Plymouth to watch Latics win 2-0) and told by specialist that if I had not been checked, would have been dead within 12 months. When i found out i had PC, my thoughts were "How do i tell my lads?" (told them same evening) and second was "If i die, hope its between May and August so i know how Latics finished". That is the gospel truth - I feel like that about the club and they have made me feel like i do about them.......                   

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Bet there’s a fair few Latics fans with similar stories, me for one. I won’t bore you with my experiences too but there are a hell of a lot of fans staying away and will not be returning until AL has fu**** off!!

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1 hour ago, unsworth blue said:

 

I am upset about the state of the club and how i have been made to feel about it - when i was at secondary school in the 1970s, i saved all my dinner money so i could afford to watch Latics away - for 5 years i never had a school dinner honestly.  I used to walk to home games if i couldn't afford the bus fares, used to walk from Midd to Oldham Town centre and home in all weathers so i didn't have to pay for a taxi so i could afford coach/ train fares to watch Latics. And i am an agenda lad!!!

 

An example of some fans i know are not planning to go again/ possibly reduce attendance until owners either lose interest and go 

 

LW - age 55ish, watched since 1970s - up to last season, not missed H or A for 7 seasons. Spoke to him at Morecambe last season "Missing games now and don't care anything like as much. Not the club i love"

 

DH - age 58ish, watched since 1970s - business owner has had 7 season tickets for club from business, last season down to 2 - this season either 0 or 1 for himself. Club doesn't do anything to sell itself, employees lost interest. Only now social event meeting old long standing fans (like myself). Watched Latics at all 92 grounds and over 2000 games. 

 

MR - age 56ish - watched since 1970s, missed most of glory days due to having a young family - hates the way the club is run and NS issue was it for him. Not renewing his 2 season tickets. Watched Latics at 80+ away grounds. 

 

ES - age 18 -been going for 5 years since introduced by her sister, loves the club - buys the club shop normally. Cried at Northampton when relegated, second home game was Peterborough 5-4. Not even asked about ST or any new kit. Plays for OAFC girls u18s. 

 

IM - age 56 - been going since 1970s, took his 2 grandchildren to home games for last few seasons as sons no longer go, saw him at Salford last season - not renewing him or his 2 grandkids tickets "Who are going to take them in my absence?" 

 

AW - age 50s - going since 1970s - used to go H&A all over in last few seasons, saw him v Orient home last season "Not renewing, not the club i fell in love with" 

 

Last season, i couldn't go to Cheltenham away so i thought i would support a local business and watch on Live Streaming at a pub in Royton. Only my party (4) and another 4 were there to watch. At half time a pub team came in and my son spoke with one lad who he knew from Latics. The season before (2018-19), there was a minibus that used to pick 16 of them up and take them to Latics, by March 2020, only 1 fan now still attended from those 16. 

 

All the above examples i have quoted came from actual knowledge of supporters' intentions garnered from speaking with them at either home or away games last season, well before COVID-19. The loss of these supporters and many others are due to issues other than the pandemic.   

  

These are just a handful of cases I know of off the top of my head, we are all agenda lads and lasses, not proper fans and they expect we will all turn up if we get a big cup tie!!! That's the contempt with which the club and their acolytes who were recently on the Trust treat us with.   

 

If you think I am an agenda lad fine, if you think i am so shallow that i will just rock up and attend a big game, fine.   Nine years ago, i was diagnosed with advanced prostate cancer (only got checked after driving to Plymouth to watch Latics win 2-0) and told by specialist that if I had not been checked, would have been dead within 12 months. When i found out i had PC, my thoughts were "How do i tell my lads?" (told them same evening) and second was "If i die, hope its between May and August so i know how Latics finished". That is the gospel truth - I feel like that about the club and they have made me feel like i do about them.......                   

That post, and others like it, should be sent to the Lemmys and BO with three questions attached;  1. How does that make you feel?   2. Do you care? and 3. What do you intend doing about it? 

 

Email and hard copies, of course.

 

From my point of view, my first game was 70 years ago this month and I've never, in all those years, thought " I can't be bothered any more". But that's how I feel now. I introduced my friend of over 20 years to Latics about 16 or 17 years ago and he fell in love with it straightaway. He now feels like I do. For the coming season, unless we're still not allowed in stadiums, we've agreed that away games at Cheltenham, Forest Green Rovers and Newport are all we may do, simply because they're only a 40 minute drive away max. And if we don't go? So what?

 

I'll still listen to iFollow commentaries because that's the time when Mrs B and I always do our own thing and I'll still be part of the running of the Prediction League and that will do for me. Thanks Abdallah and Co. You've slowly, slowly but surely killed off my love for the football club that has been a part of my life since I was a snotty-nosed almost-6-yr-old. Cheers.

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8 minutes ago, Bristolatic said:

That post, and others like it, should be sent to the Lemmys and BO with three questions attached;  1. How does that make you feel?   2. Do you care? and 3. What do you intend doing about it? 

 

Email and hard copies, of course.

 

From my point of view, my first game was 70 years ago this month and I've never, in all those years, thought " I can't be bothered any more". But that's how I feel now. I introduced by friend over over 20 years to Latics about 16 or 17 years ago and he fell in love with straightaway. He now feels like I do. For the coming season, unless we're still not allowed in stadiums, we've agreed that away games at Cheltenham, Forest Green Rovers and Newport are all we may do, simply because they're only a 40 minuted drive away max. And if we don't go? So what?

 

I'll still listen to iFollow commentaries because that's the time when Mrs B and I always do our own thing and I'll still be part of the running of the Prediction League and that will do me. Thanks Abdallah and Co. You've slowly, slowly but surely killed off my love for the football club that has been a part of my life since I was a snotty-nosed almost-6-yr-old. Cheers.

 

In my experience they would merely disregard it Bristol, it is of no consequence to their ownership and i and others like me can easily be replaced (although maybe we can't). The club would deny mine was a real story and that someone with an agenda against the club has made it up.   

 

The Trust acolytes just repeated the same old stuff "They will come back for big cup games" .......... and "The true fans will still come" ............... 

 

 

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3 hours ago, League one forever said:

I think that’s a fair point. Perfectly Illustrated by getting your players to tell fans to get the behind the team. On the surface it seems reasonable, but you just know Baz has told them to do it. Which it makes it very hollow. They want our backing, but actions speak louder than words. 

 

Can you please share tomorrow's lottery numbers? Cheers

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2 hours ago, Bristolatic said:

That post, and others like it, should be sent to the Lemmys and BO with three questions attached;  1. How does that make you feel?   2. Do you care? and 3. What do you intend doing about it? 

 

Email and hard copies, of course.


This. 

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1 hour ago, Lags said:

 

Can you please share tomorrow's lottery numbers? Cheers

7 12 23 27 31 42

 

Can you please share why in every interview, numerous professional footballers on short term contracts with no affiliation to the football as of last week, now care soo much that the ‘fans get behind the club.’ 
 

Maybe we’ve just got lucky with signings who care more about the fans of their current club than they do about themselves. 

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2 hours ago, League one forever said:

7 12 23 27 31 42

 

Can you please share why in every interview, numerous professional footballers on short term contracts with no affiliation to the football as of last week, now care soo much that the ‘fans get behind the club.’ 
 

Maybe we’ve just got lucky with signings who care more about the fans of their current club than they do about themselves. 

simple red fleece has seen the season ticket renewal figures 

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4 hours ago, peanuts2 said:

simple red fleece has seen the season ticket renewal figures 

I know. Others want to pretend it’s standard fare. 🙄 

 

An instead of genuinely engaging with their fan base to see why sales are low, they put out lazy hollow messages through players who couldn’t care less. 

 

 

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Why does this phrase get trotted out constantly, ‘players who couldn’t care less’?

These are young men in the midst of a career that doesn’t last long, they care about their career, they care about how they will perform at their new club and they will care about whether they can do well enough to get a contract with us or at least be appealing to another club in 12 months. There aren’t many of these jobs about, are players just going to cruise? Did you when you got a new job.

they maybe don’t care enough yet about our club, why should they unless they are a local lad? Did anyone care about there employer until they worked there? doesn’t mean they won’t give there all surely.

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8 minutes ago, Stainrod said:

Why does this phrase get trotted out constantly, ‘players who couldn’t care less’?

These are young men in the midst of a career that doesn’t last long, they care about their career, they care about how they will perform at their new club and they will care about whether they can do well enough to get a contract with us or at least be appealing to another club in 12 months. There aren’t many of these jobs about, are players just going to cruise? Did you when you got a new job.

they maybe don’t care enough yet about our club, why should they unless they are a local lad? Did anyone care about there employer until they worked there? doesn’t mean they won’t give there all surely.

 

It's unbelievable how mindset distorts reality. 

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1 hour ago, Stainrod said:

Why does this phrase get trotted out constantly, ‘players who couldn’t care less’?

These are young men in the midst of a career that doesn’t last long, they care about their career, they care about how they will perform at their new club and they will care about whether they can do well enough to get a contract with us or at least be appealing to another club in 12 months. There aren’t many of these jobs about, are players just going to cruise? Did you when you got a new job.

they maybe don’t care enough yet about our club, why should they unless they are a local lad? Did anyone care about there employer until they worked there? doesn’t mean they won’t give there all surely.

 

Does the same apply to owners and directors, surely they don't want to fail?

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6 hours ago, peanuts2 said:

simple red fleece has seen the season ticket renewal figures 

And all this after he assured the other clowns that they'd still get 3000 numpties parting with 20 quid regardless of how they treated us - wrong again shitpeas.

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14 minutes ago, BP1960 said:

 

Does the same apply to owners and directors, surely they don't want to fail?

I am sure that the owners and Directors do not want to fail however they appear to have an over optimistic view of how well they are operating the club and how successful they believe their ownership has been. The sycophants say how well the club is doing, the owner has his ego massaged and the chaos continues unabated.    

 

I believe that the players do want to succeed however from what i have seen over the last 2/3 seasons, there is no togetherness on the pitch, no effective leadership and a side sadly lacking Team spirit or cohesion. It sticks in my mind that interview with Banide when he first came in and when asked what he would bring to the club, he said "Team spirit" (Mo prompting him in the background).  On the pitch, this is the most important thing that has been lacking in the Lemsagem era.  

 

Players such as Maouche look like they don't give a shit, i am sure he does, he is quite languid in the Chris Waddle style, but it looks like he doesn't care. 

 

I think a few of the others who maybe have not even got to first team (Kokos and Gonzalez etc), didn't give enough of a shit as they were probably seething inwardly when they realised their dream of English league football was not actually what it was like in practice.  Players like Urko didn't help either - truly woeful in his first spell as he was so far off match fitness it was untrue. When he came back, you thought "Give him a go, let him get fit and see what he can do" - then you were left disappointed again as he never applied himself sufficiently to get fit so was as ineffective as before. 

 

The mass turnover of staff and players has left the club woefully short of the organisational capabilities in which the club can compete effectively  at this level in my opinion.            

 

       

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3 minutes ago, yarddog73 said:

And all this after he assured the other clowns that they'd still get 3000 numpties parting with 20 quid regardless of how they treated us - wrong again shitpeas.

They are totally delusional at how effective their operation is and somehow believe that, in the unlikely event they can cobble together an entertaining winning side, that fans will flock back in numbers irrespective of all the rest of the shit that is going on and the chronic environment that they have created. 

 

PTB survey in February and March said it all - around 75%/80% of ST holders potentially not going to renew their STs (this was well before the pandemic so is not COVid related reactions) yet they somehow believe that they can somehow cover the loss of these and more and potentially secure an increase of maybe another 500-1000 ST holders without any obvious strategy to attract them. 

 

So sad but it's true 

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33 minutes ago, unsworth blue said:

I am sure that the owners and Directors do not want to fail however they appear to have an over optimistic view of how well they are operating the club and how successful they believe their ownership has been. The sycophants say how well the club is doing, the owner has his ego massaged and the chaos continues unabated.    

 

I believe that the players do want to succeed however from what i have seen over the last 2/3 seasons, there is no togetherness on the pitch, no effective leadership and a side sadly lacking Team spirit or cohesion. It sticks in my mind that interview with Banide when he first came in and when asked what he would bring to the club, he said "Team spirit" (Mo prompting him in the background).  On the pitch, this is the most important thing that has been lacking in the Lemsagem era.  

 

Players such as Maouche look like they don't give a shit, i am sure he does, he is quite languid in the Chris Waddle style, but it looks like he doesn't care. 

 

I think a few of the others who maybe have not even got to first team (Kokos and Gonzalez etc), didn't give enough of a shit as they were probably seething inwardly when they realised their dream of English league football was not actually what it was like in practice.  Players like Urko didn't help either - truly woeful in his first spell as he was so far off match fitness it was untrue. When he came back, you thought "Give him a go, let him get fit and see what he can do" - then you were left disappointed again as he never applied himself sufficiently to get fit so was as ineffective as before. 

 

The mass turnover of staff and players has left the club woefully short of the organisational capabilities in which the club can compete effectively  at this level in my opinion.            

 

       

 

I am curious, has anyone actually asked the players if there's any team spirit?.  I am fairly sure you'll have the odd one or two players at all clubs unhappy with their lot.

 

At Latics like most clubs we get our fair share of out of contract players re-signing new contracts and old loan players signing new Latics contracts. Doesn't this go against the sentiments above?

 

Everyone is in agreement we've had more than our fair share of dross (Kokos and Gonzalez and the like as mentioned) and for that the club officials rightly get criticised. They have made mistakes and also bailed the club out in equal measure. TTA have done untold damage and still want to take big chunks of money before they depart over the hill and I am pretty sure Al doesn't like paying the amounts they are demanding. Yes yes yes I know it's his fault he should have known blah blah blah, but the reality is TTA are the ones wanting to squeeze every last drop of blood. I reckon Al would rather put that cash into the club and team. Who knows maybe one day he will be able to.

 

Just get down to the ground and support your club, lets see where that gets us. Besides Saturdays could be joining the Reds in the pub or heaven forbid shopping without a beer stop.

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1 hour ago, Lags said:

 

I am curious, has anyone actually asked the players if there's any team spirit?.  I am fairly sure you'll have the odd one or two players at all clubs unhappy with their lot.

 

At Latics like most clubs we get our fair share of out of contract players re-signing new contracts and old loan players signing new Latics contracts. Doesn't this go against the sentiments above?

 

Everyone is in agreement we've had more than our fair share of dross (Kokos and Gonzalez and the like as mentioned) and for that the club officials rightly get criticised. They have made mistakes and also bailed the club out in equal measure. TTA have done untold damage and still want to take big chunks of money before they depart over the hill and I am pretty sure Al doesn't like paying the amounts they are demanding. Yes yes yes I know it's his fault he should have known blah blah blah, but the reality is TTA are the ones wanting to squeeze every last drop of blood. I reckon Al would rather put that cash into the club and team. Who knows maybe one day he will be able to.

 

Just get down to the ground and support your club, lets see where that gets us. Besides Saturdays could be joining the Reds in the pub or heaven forbid shopping without a beer stop.

Never enough players stay or play long enough these days to foster or generate a team spirit. I saw all home games bar two (on holiday) and went to 9 away games last season and can't recall ever witnessing a real dogged display (the likes of which were commonplace led by Peter Clarke) where the team dug in for each other (think it may have happened at Cambridge but I wasn't there last season).  I had a good away record as well, only saw 1 defeat!!   

 

Not seeing the club officials bailing club out in equal measure I am sorry. Never backed TTA either but at least they left things off the field to their own devices. AL ownership to me has just culled everything that was good at the club and has presided in overseeing a club without any proper foundation (** I quality this statement, it maybe what i see is horribly wrong and that we have a thriving Academy and other areas - i would love to be wrong).  I am aware AL doesn't like paying for things, he is permanently owing funds to others (not the TTA).   

 

I have got down and supported the team for 50 years and i would happily continue if the current owners stopped making it an awful environment in which to try and support the club. Would contemplate enjoying football again in an atmosphere where i could happily enjoy a few beers (can't do that at Latics due to bouncers on OEC asking for your match tickets) and watch a team of committed young footballers trying to make a way in the game for a club that actually wants to represent the community it exists in and does actually give 2 shits about their supporters.  

 

Tell you what as well, i back the club very vocally as well - I don't sit back and moan or sit in silence - I am one of the vey few who actually tries to back the team at home games when they are struggling. Its not so bad away, fans generally do get behind the team. 

 

Incidentally Lags, do you still go and back the team as you implore me to do? Or do you spend Saturdays in the pubs with Reds?   

          

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3 hours ago, Stainrod said:

Why does this phrase get trotted out constantly, ‘players who couldn’t care less’?

These are young men in the midst of a career that doesn’t last long, they care about their career, they care about how they will perform at their new club and they will care about whether they can do well enough to get a contract with us or at least be appealing to another club in 12 months. There aren’t many of these jobs about, are players just going to cruise? Did you when you got a new job.

they maybe don’t care enough yet about our club, why should they unless they are a local lad? Did anyone care about there employer until they worked there? doesn’t mean they won’t give there all surely.

You’re conflating professional pride with genuinely caring. Do they want the best for themselves, and their family. Of course. 
 

But like you say, why would non local lads care? I don’t think they should be expected to - therefore it’s very odd that to a man they suddenly all they want to tell us ‘to get behind the club’ 


It’s glaring obvious they’ve been told to say it. Which is yet another cheap tactic by the club, and makes the players words hollow and cheap. 
 

HEY EVERYONE! 
 

Ian Lawyor wants you to get yourself down to BP for next season- it’s gonna be a cracker. 
 

Thanks Ian! On my way! 
 

🙄

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1 hour ago, Lags said:

 

I am curious, has anyone actually asked the players if there's any team spirit?.  I am fairly sure you'll have the odd one or two players at all clubs unhappy with their lot.

 

At Latics like most clubs we get our fair share of out of contract players re-signing new contracts and old loan players signing new Latics contracts. Doesn't this go against the sentiments above?

 

Everyone is in agreement we've had more than our fair share of dross (Kokos and Gonzalez and the like as mentioned) and for that the club officials rightly get criticised. They have made mistakes and also bailed the club out in equal measure. TTA have done untold damage and still want to take big chunks of money before they depart over the hill and I am pretty sure Al doesn't like paying the amounts they are demanding. Yes yes yes I know it's his fault he should have known blah blah blah, but the reality is TTA are the ones wanting to squeeze every last drop of blood. I reckon Al would rather put that cash into the club and team. Who knows maybe one day he will be able to.

 

Just get down to the ground and support your club, lets see where that gets us. Besides Saturdays could be joining the Reds in the pub or heaven forbid shopping without a beer stop.

I really wish I could have that mind set Lags I really do but I just cannot muster the enthusiasm nor the reasoning of sitting through what is currently being served up, I also feel that I'd just be endorsing the current regimes behaviour by handing over my hard earned cash, I know some including some of those fans who Phil has listed earlier who followed that mindset through the Corney years but like me most of them are now saying enoughs enough, it's sad how fans like this are turning their back but on the back of this it is the club who needs to change and acknowledge that the way they have been operating is wrong and change their ways.

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47 minutes ago, unsworth blue said:

Never enough players stay or play long enough these days to foster or generate a team spirit. I saw all home games bar two (on holiday) and went to 9 away games last season and can't recall ever witnessing a real dogged display (the likes of which were commonplace led by Peter Clarke) where the team dug in for each other (think it may have happened at Cambridge but I wasn't there last season).  I had a good away record as well, only saw 1 defeat!!   

 

Not seeing the club officials bailing club out in equal measure I am sorry. Never backed TTA either but at least they left things off the field to their own devices. AL ownership to me has just culled everything that was good at the club and has presided in overseeing a club without any proper foundation (** I quality this statement, it maybe what i see is horribly wrong and that we have a thriving Academy and other areas - i would love to be wrong).  I am aware AL doesn't like paying for things, he is permanently owing funds to others (not the TTA).   

 

I have got down and supported the team for 50 years and i would happily continue if the current owners stopped making it an awful environment in which to try and support the club. Would contemplate enjoying football again in an atmosphere where i could happily enjoy a few beers (can't do that at Latics due to bouncers on OEC asking for your match tickets) and watch a team of committed young footballers trying to make a way in the game for a club that actually wants to represent the community it exists in and does actually give 2 shits about their supporters.  

 

Tell you what as well, i back the club very vocally as well - I don't sit back and moan or sit in silence - I am one of the vey few who actually tries to back the team at home games when they are struggling. Its not so bad away, fans generally do get behind the team. 

 

Incidentally Lags, do you still go and back the team as you implore me to do? Or do you spend Saturdays in the pubs with Reds?   

          

 

I'd never spend my time with Reds in the pub ( whilst watching the Reds, of course I socialise with Red mates any other time)

 

Yes, I still go and back the team, still have my ST.  I didn't go to as many away last season as I have in previous ones for various reasons.

 

I'd wager Al's bailed the club with more of his own money than Corney ever did.  In the early days of TTA I do believe they had some plans for the club along with what they could make on the land, but sadly that didn't materialise. Believe it or not Corney phoned me a few times asking about increasing ST's and how that would go down with fans, what would they except if it went towards improved players etc. Also explaining why he sacked managers and so on. I backed him and his two pals early days because I felt they had good intentions, once Blitz bailed Corney didn't have the wonga to succeed. That for me is when bad decisions for the club crept in whilst being good for Corney and I openly criticised them. Corney gripped me at a reserves game and accused me of going to the dark side, but now with the benefit of hind sight the criticism was just.

 

Enter Al, and he was duped. It's cost him a pretty penny. I don't know about Al, but I know me. If I was mugged and it cost me dear I'd go the lengths of the earth to avoid any more cost or dealings with those that mugged me. I reckon that's what's gone on with the OEC etc but that's just my guess.

 

The big mistakes Al makes is bringing in substandard players, if he brought in decent ones absolutely not one fan would be moaning that's the managers job, not one! I like you and every other fan want success for OAFC. I don't give a monkeys who owns the club, I've seen owners come and go, I am still here.

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2 hours ago, Lags said:

 

I'd never spend my time with Reds in the pub ( whilst watching the Reds, of course I socialise with Red mates any other time)

 

Yes, I still go and back the team, still have my ST.  I didn't go to as many away last season as I have in previous ones for various reasons.

 

I'd wager Al's bailed the club with more of his own money than Corney ever did.  In the early days of TTA I do believe they had some plans for the club along with what they could make on the land, but sadly that didn't materialise. Believe it or not Corney phoned me a few times asking about increasing ST's and how that would go down with fans, what would they except if it went towards improved players etc. Also explaining why he sacked managers and so on. I backed him and his two pals early days because I felt they had good intentions, once Blitz bailed Corney didn't have the wonga to succeed. That for me is when bad decisions for the club crept in whilst being good for Corney and I openly criticised them. Corney gripped me at a reserves game and accused me of going to the dark side, but now with the benefit of hind sight the criticism was just.

 

Enter Al, and he was duped. It's cost him a pretty penny. I don't know about Al, but I know me. If I was mugged and it cost me dear I'd go the lengths of the earth to avoid any more cost or dealings with those that mugged me. I reckon that's what's gone on with the OEC etc but that's just my guess.

 

The big mistakes Al makes is bringing in substandard players, if he brought in decent ones absolutely not one fan would be moaning that's the managers job, not one! I like you and every other fan want success for OAFC. I don't give a monkeys who owns the club, I've seen owners come and go, I am still here.

 

I did think that the TTA did have good intentions and agree once Blitz bailed, Corney didn't have the wonga and the rot really started. 

 

AL for me has caused absolute mayhem since he has been here, his appointments have been shocking (not least his brother), recruitment dreadful and I can't think of a positive from his reign other than Fulham away, sorry. 

 

The fact that I and many other long standing fans feel so helpless and dismayed as the madness continues says it all. I only give a monkey's about who owns the club because we are sinking fast and it may be too late to resurrect once he bails.              

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10 minutes ago, unsworth blue said:

 

 I can't think of a positive from his reign other than Fulham away, sorry. 

 

       

 

Reminder that we aren't in the mess Wigan, Bolton, Macc and Bury either have been in, or are still in. Also a reminder that the great man paid off the debenture which prevented us from entering administration. Thank you Abdallah...

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4 hours ago, Lags said:

 

I'd never spend my time with Reds in the pub ( whilst watching the Reds, of course I socialise with Red mates any other time)

 

Yes, I still go and back the team, still have my ST.  I didn't go to as many away last season as I have in previous ones for various reasons.

 

I'd wager Al's bailed the club with more of his own money than Corney ever did.  In the early days of TTA I do believe they had some plans for the club along with what they could make on the land, but sadly that didn't materialise. Believe it or not Corney phoned me a few times asking about increasing ST's and how that would go down with fans, what would they except if it went towards improved players etc. Also explaining why he sacked managers and so on. I backed him and his two pals early days because I felt they had good intentions, once Blitz bailed Corney didn't have the wonga to succeed. That for me is when bad decisions for the club crept in whilst being good for Corney and I openly criticised them. Corney gripped me at a reserves game and accused me of going to the dark side, but now with the benefit of hind sight the criticism was just.

 

Enter Al, and he was duped. It's cost him a pretty penny. I don't know about Al, but I know me. If I was mugged and it cost me dear I'd go the lengths of the earth to avoid any more cost or dealings with those that mugged me. I reckon that's what's gone on with the OEC etc but that's just my guess.

 

The big mistakes Al makes is bringing in substandard players, if he brought in decent ones absolutely not one fan would be moaning that's the managers job, not one! I like you and every other fan want success for OAFC. I don't give a monkeys who owns the club, I've seen owners come and go, I am still here.

He's not put as much in as he would have you beleive.


How was he duped? That is absolutely ridiculous. He stated exactly what he was buying in his Press Conference when he was unveiled. He paid for what he could afford.

a) He was swanning around the place, freely, for months before the takevover. You'd expect an Agent to be able to read and understand a contract. He's been around for 3 years now.

b) He has a very expensive, high profile lawyer do his due dilligence. And then put the same lawyer on the Board of Directors.

c) He was easily presuaded he had cast iron proof, to the point of reporting to the police by an ex policeman, of wrongdoings re North Stand, only for it go vanish into thin air

 

If he has been mugged off, perhaps he only has to look around the table during a Board meeting.

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39 minutes ago, singe said:

He's not put as much in as he would have you beleive.


How was he duped? That is absolutely ridiculous. He stated exactly what he was buying in his Press Conference when he was unveiled. He paid for what he could afford.

a) He was swanning around the place, freely, for months before the takevover. You'd expect an Agent to be able to read and understand a contract. He's been around for 3 years now.

b) He has a very expensive, high profile lawyer do his due dilligence. And then put the same lawyer on the Board of Directors.

c) He was easily presuaded he had cast iron proof, to the point of reporting to the police by an ex policeman, of wrongdoings re North Stand, only for it go vanish into thin air

 

If he has been mugged off, perhaps he only has to look around the table during a Board meeting.

 

D) During the infamous fans meeting back last October his accountant openly told us all that he told Abdallah not to buy the club due to the state it was in. He didn't listen, why didn't he listen?

 

He wasn't duped at all he was too lazy to spend time getting a true grasp of what owning a football club and particularly this one was all about.

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