singe Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 56 minutes ago, oafcmetty said: I like Conn's take: https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2020/oct/11/plan-to-mend-the-great-crack-in-football-pyramid-should-not-be-swept-off-the-table I think he has given them a bit of an easy ride oversome aspects, that need fighting off vehemently. eg any rule change by the top 6 or top 9, but a concession could be giving the top 6 two votes each acknowledging they are a driver of income. But yeas, he's right to look at it mor bit by bit. Of the other proposls: 1. Short term financial help. WE're not in a strong positon to argue against. £350m is pretty fair, with £250m to EFL. £100m to FA, and of that £25m below EFL. I don't know the need of below EFL, but hard to argue against that. 2. Restructure pyramid. Prem down to 18. Again PL hold all the aces, as unpalatable as it is. It might stop the huge losses of Champ clubs though. Poss smallish price to pay. The 16th place team in the play offs cost us dearly, we can't be in favour, but FL might have to concede. It's not clear, but losing the LEague Cup, but keeping the Checkatrade would only be palatable wth a 100% cast ion legally bidnign guarantee of no B teams in the pyramid. Scrapping parachute payments, in favour of a 25% split is probably the most welcome clause 3. Prem clubs selling exclusive media rights via streaming seems to be a slow creep. But again weak FL position menas a concession, but again the 25% of revennue needs to be in place or we could end up with 25% of rock all. Seems like Div 3 North & South might need to be back on the agenda too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 58 minutes ago, Dave_Og said: Clubs at our level and just below will have to go part time sooner or later. Think so too Dave, maybe in the form of a Division 3 North and South. Probably something like the German system where they have only 2 major leagues. Even there though big club B teams have crept into the regional leagues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneSizeFitz Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 18 minutes ago, BP1960 said: Think so too Dave, maybe in the form of a Division 3 North and South. Probably something like the German system where they have only 2 major leagues. Even there though big club B teams have crept into the regional leagues. German Third Division (3. Liga) is national and professional. Though does currently include one reserve team (Bayern II). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 40 minutes ago, OneSizeFitz said: German Third Division (3. Liga) is national and professional. Though does currently include one reserve team (Bayern II). There are plenty of B teams in the North and South regional leagues. I guess if Bayern B are in Division 3 others can be promoted? Mind you I remember when Latics reserves were in the Lancashire combination so its like back to the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaticMark Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 2 hours ago, Dave_Og said: Clubs at our level and just below will have to go part time sooner or later. According to a recent report the average weekly pay for league 2 player is £2,191 a week. Can an average player in an average team in in the 4th tier really be worth around £114,000 a year? https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/sport/football/leaked-report-reveals-how-much-18169396 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Worcester Owl Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 21 hours ago, SweeperKeeper said: Giving West Ham and Southampton a special status is a complete joke. This might be the one thing that might scupper it at PL level. Both Villa and Newcastle have spent more time in the PL than either Man City, West Ham or Southampton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Worcester Owl Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 3 hours ago, oafcmetty said: I like Conn's take: https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2020/oct/11/plan-to-mend-the-great-crack-in-football-pyramid-should-not-be-swept-off-the-table Appeasement. I prefer Martin Samuel's take: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-8829033/MARTIN-SAMUEL-Liverpool-Man-Uniteds-Project-Big-Picture-disgusting-Big-Six-power-grab.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Worcester Owl Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 The cat is out of the bag with the 25% TV revenue offer and it's sad to see some posters on here falling for what is an opportunistic bribe. If the FA and EFL (minus, hopefully, Parry, who should be sacked) have a backbone they should demand that as a more equitable sharing of TV revenue anyway. It still falls well short of the old 50/25/12.5/12.5 split. I won't hold my breath. The idea that six clubs (2/3 of 9) get to decide who can and can't own a football club, and on PPV revenues, is loathsome. Football is losing its soul and I'm sick of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBigDog Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 30 minutes ago, Worcester Owl said: Appeasement. I prefer Martin Samuel's take: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-8829033/MARTIN-SAMUEL-Liverpool-Man-Uniteds-Project-Big-Picture-disgusting-Big-Six-power-grab.html I like this bit: ...Depends whether they can handle basic arithmetic. For what would be needed for vetoes and changes to processes is a two-thirds majority of long-term shareholders. Ooh, what’s two-thirds of nine? Wouldn’t be six by any chance, would it? Everton, Southampton and West Ham wouldn’t be privileged members. They would be ridiculous patsies, carved up and cynically outvoted at every turn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Bosnian Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 I wonder what Sean Dyche makes of all this, given his ridiculous comments about successful hedge-fund managers just a few weeks ago. A club like Burnley would surely suffer under this new structure and big-six monopoly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al_bro Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 7 hours ago, BP1960 said: Let the privileged few clear off into a European Leaue, then we can get a proper league structure going again fair to all without the greed. Totally agree. The FA should tell them that should anything go wrong in the future, by losing membership of this European League. They will not be allowed back in the FL at any level. It's not going to happen though, because the PL itself is against it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaticMark Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 1 hour ago, TheBigDog said: I like this bit: ...Depends whether they can handle basic arithmetic. For what would be needed for vetoes and changes to processes is a two-thirds majority of long-term shareholders. Ooh, what’s two-thirds of nine? Wouldn’t be six by any chance, would it? Everton, Southampton and West Ham wouldn’t be privileged members. They would be ridiculous patsies, carved up and cynically outvoted at every turn. West Ham, who say they weren't consulted, have already come out against the proposals. https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/54505270 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
latics22 Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 All this is a smoke screen for what ever they really have planned.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
latics22 Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 Never show your real hand first... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frizzell54 Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 https://www.theguardian.com/football/ng-interactive/2020/oct/13/david-squires-on-project-big-small-print-selflessly-saving-english-football Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 14 hours ago, latics22 said: Never show your real hand first... The B team hand is held close to their chest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rossy52 Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 Every time there is a piece on football clubs in trouble i.e this one on the premier league top 6 rip off deal , it always says some league clubs will go to the wall without a bail out and it always , always, mentions Oldham as one of the clubs in trouble usually with Southend , surely there is no smoke without fire, the papers must know something !!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
underdog Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 Trust comments on the big picture. "In our opinion the £250 million is only a loan not a lifeboat subsidy." Further FSA Article released today https://thefsa.org.uk/news/project-big-picture-a-sugar-coated-cyanide-pill/?fbclid=IwAR09_JrYPiC_hDeFjhJ2EJ4PchHh6vfrpX6Zr1Vy3RZNWbOCVLrtsyrzRhQ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_Og Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 23 minutes ago, rossy52 said: Every time there is a piece on football clubs in trouble i.e this one on the premier league top 6 rip off deal , it always says some league clubs will go to the wall without a bail out and it always , always, mentions Oldham as one of the clubs in trouble usually with Southend , surely there is no smoke without fire, the papers must know something !!!! It wouldn't be the most challenging investigative journalism assignment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve_R Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 On 10/12/2020 at 3:00 PM, Worcester Owl said: The cat is out of the bag with the 25% TV revenue offer and it's sad to see some posters on here falling for what is an opportunistic bribe. If the FA and EFL (minus, hopefully, Parry, who should be sacked) have a backbone they should demand that as a more equitable sharing of TV revenue anyway. It still falls well short of the old 50/25/12.5/12.5 split. I won't hold my breath. The idea that six clubs (2/3 of 9) get to decide who can and can't own a football club, and on PPV revenues, is loathsome. Football is losing its soul and I'm sick of it. Sadly it looks like there are plenty of Football League chairman who are backing it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peanuts2 Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 9 hours ago, Steve_R said: Sadly it looks like there are plenty of Football League chairman who are backing it so that's all the current championship Sunderland Ipswich noblot Wigan if they had a chairman plus the other championship wannabes .whatever happens we will have very little say and will be run roughshod over by the big boys Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaticMark Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 "Six Championship clubs have told Sky Sports News that if there is no financial bailout forthcoming they fear for the survival of their club." I'm sure it's a lot higher in League 1 and 2. https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/12103722/six-championship-clubs-fear-for-survival-without-financial-bailout Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Worcester Owl Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 21 hours ago, Steve_R said: Sadly it looks like there are plenty of Football League chairman who are backing it Yes, sadly I suspect our chairman is among them, given that it wasn't too long ago that Barry was warning us we had to know our place and not get ideas about promotion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_Og Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 44 minutes ago, Worcester Owl said: Yes, sadly I suspect our chairman is among them, given that it wasn't too long ago that Barry was warning us we had to know our place and not get ideas about promotion. It's said to be close to unanimous I L1&2 so can't hold him too responsible Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ritchierich Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 It sums it up when the article on the BBC is next to the one on West Ham trying to close a £30m deal for 1 player from Brentford and no doubt at Christmas numerous PL clubs will spend more on a 20 year old Diego Scorchio than they are collectively offering the EFL! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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