Pidge Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 1 hour ago, penrhyn said: Pidge you can't talk sense on here. Beginning to realise that! Lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rudemedic Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 21 hours ago, latics22 said: People mock scholes, but without him we wouldn't ha e the ledgend that is delaney! The same Zach Dearnley, who we signed in Dec 2019 / Jan 2020 from a contract at New Mills? It doesn't take a genius* to watch who United release in their early 20s and work out they might be able to do a job for us. Yes it seems likely Scholes recommended Dearnley when we signed him first time round on loan from United. But Wild was the manager and may well have known about Dearnley due to his various roles at the club and with the local FA then. * Scholes isn't a managerial genius- if he was we would have won more than 1 game in his brief tenure and his win was the day after he was announced as manager. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mick26 Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 27 minutes ago, rudemedic said: * Scholes isn't a managerial genius- if he was we would have won more than 1 game in his brief tenure and his win was the day after he was announced as manager. And 2 out of his 3 losses were away at promoted sides Lincoln and Bury. Would like to have seen him bring his own players in and have a pre-season. He might have never made a go of it but was Abdallah's best chance of getting some of his money back and/or making some progress on the pitch! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 1 hour ago, rudemedic said: The same Zach Dearnley, who we signed in Dec 2019 / Jan 2020 from a contract at New Mills? It doesn't take a genius* to watch who United release in their early 20s and work out they might be able to do a job for us. Yes it seems likely Scholes recommended Dearnley when we signed him first time round on loan from United. But Wild was the manager and may well have known about Dearnley due to his various roles at the club and with the local FA then. * Scholes isn't a managerial genius- if he was we would have won more than 1 game in his brief tenure and his win was the day after he was announced as manager. We also have Whelan from Man United. Some criticism of him, but he's still finding his way in senior football and could eventually play at an higher level IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaddyexile84 Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 1 hour ago, rudemedic said: Wild was the manager and may well have known about Dearnley Wild was not the manager when we signed Dearnley - Scholes was - he was his first signing along with the West Ham guy but let’s not talk about him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youngen Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 Rowe I imagine is not up to the fitness levels, as he was forced to miss nearly all of pre season due to similar incident to Wheater, however Rowe settled the dispute. Dearnley we desperately need on the pitch every minute, but he was injured at start of season so again could be used a little less right now. Unfortunately we have a very poor squad, so making 5 or 6 changes per game means we will be putting out terrible sides most weeks. Our strongest 11 currently has 2 or 3 that are not fully fit. Kewell maybe got it right/lucky to play the weaker starting 11 against Southend as they were so so shit, and maybe its a bit of a masterstroke. Salford are going to score 2 or 3 so lets see whether he starts Dearnely and Rowe on Saturday, as we need them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Behind Closed Doors Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 9 minutes ago, youngen said: Rowe I imagine is not up to the fitness levels, as he was forced to miss nearly all of pre season due to similar incident to Wheater, however Rowe settled the dispute. Dearnley we desperately need on the pitch every minute, but he was injured at start of season so again could be used a little less right now. Unfortunately we have a very poor squad, so making 5 or 6 changes per game means we will be putting out terrible sides most weeks. Our strongest 11 currently has 2 or 3 that are not fully fit. Kewell maybe got it right/lucky to play the weaker starting 11 against Southend as they were so so shit, and maybe its a bit of a masterstroke. Salford are going to score 2 or 3 so lets see whether he starts Dearnely and Rowe on Saturday, as we need them. Why more excuses for Rowe? ...first pre season friendly was Accrington...Rowe started Can I suggest a different possibility...the management team don’t rate him because of his significant flaws ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L1onheartNew Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 1 hour ago, Behind Closed Doors said: Why more excuses for Rowe? ...first pre season friendly was Accrington...Rowe started Can I suggest a different possibility...the management team don’t rate him because of his significant flaws ? He has a longer throw than Hamer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobledgersheart Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 3 hours ago, Behind Closed Doors said: Why more excuses for Rowe? ...first pre season friendly was Accrington...Rowe started Can I suggest a different possibility...the management team don’t rate him because of his significant flaws ? Change the bloody record for Christ's sake.* * Apologies for any easily offended Christians. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Behind Closed Doors Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 1 hour ago, Bobledgersheart said: Change the bloody record for Christ's sake.* * Apologies for any easily offended Christians. That is exactly what I am trying to do from the constant narrative on here that Rowe would demonstrate what a superstar he is if only he wasn’t tired or was match fit or he hadn’t upset ALMO or if he was played in a different position or if he got better service or if he had better players around or even if he was selected.... Rowe is a brilliant timer and kicker of a football especially a dead ball. and if could win some free kicks he would be a real threat ...but if he was a cricketer he would be a flat track bully. He would get the occasional 50 of 30 balls and win you the match but if it was seaming about or a bit quick you would be 7 for 1 more often than not . In the field he certainly wouldn’t bowl and you would be looking to hide him like Kewell you then have a choice...do you want somebody in your side as a specialist batsman who is capable of a match winning innings but averages 15 over a season.? you pay your money and take your choice currently Rowe has scored the same number of league goals for us as Segbe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LightDN123 Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 23 minutes ago, Behind Closed Doors said: That is exactly what I am trying to do from the constant narrative on here that Rowe would demonstrate what a superstar he is if only he wasn’t tired or was match fit or he hadn’t upset ALMO or if he was played in a different position or if he got better service or if he had better players around or even if he was selected.... Rowe is a brilliant timer and kicker of a football especially a dead ball. and if could win some free kicks he would be a real threat ...but if he was a cricketer he would be a flat track bully. He would get the occasional 50 of 30 balls and win you the match but if it was seaming about or a bit quick you would be 7 for 1 more often than not . In the field he certainly wouldn’t bowl and you would be looking to hide him like Kewell you then have a choice...do you want somebody in your side as a specialist batsman who is capable of a match winning innings but averages 15 over a season.? you pay your money and take your choice currently Rowe has scored the same number of league goals for us as Segbe Boring Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaddyexile84 Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 2 hours ago, Behind Closed Doors said: currently Rowe has scored the same number of league goals for us as Segbe In less time though? I will gladly donate my genitalia to science if he hasn’t beaten that frauds record at the end of the season edit: if he actually plays anywhere near the amount of minutes Azwankpo was persevered with Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pidge Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 We have become a club run by gamblers. We gamble on old players with injuries, or just old. We gamble with lower league players or rejects from higher league teams. We gamble with young players considered possible future prospects. We gamble with first time managers. All hoping that somehow 11 of those bets will pay off at the same time. Not many people win big on accumulator bets. Its not really a surprise our team isn't doing so well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
League one forever Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 I’m just glad that now Clarke has finally admitted Pidge talks to him the goals have dried up. . We’ve only conceded 4 in 2. I do anything to have Pidge’s tutelage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Behind Closed Doors Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 35 minutes ago, Chaddyexile84 said: In less time though? I will gladly donate my genitalia to science if he hasn’t beaten that frauds record at the end of the season edit: if he actually plays anywhere near the amount of minutes Azwankpo was persevered with Segbe 4 in 22 Rowe 4 in 18 though! PS I am not for one minute suggesting Rowe isn’t a different league to Segbe but Danny L Rowe has a lot to prove Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaddyexile84 Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 5 minutes ago, Behind Closed Doors said: Segbe 4 in 22 Rowe 4 in 18 though! PS I am not for one minute suggesting Rowe isn’t a different league to Segbe but Danny L Rowe has a lot to prove I won’t disagree with that - I’d say it applies to 99% of this so called squad. I think we have a great non league team - and we will probably be able to test that theory next season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magic Mikey Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 45 minutes ago, Chaddyexile84 said: I won’t disagree with that - I’d say it applies to 99% of this so called squad. I think we have a great non league team - and we will probably be able to test that theory next season Unfortunately, the standard of player falls year on year. We'll be competing in the National League with National League North standard players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaddyexile84 Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 1 hour ago, Magic Mikey said: Unfortunately, the standard of player falls year on year. We'll be competing in the National League with National League North standard players. There is that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaticsPete Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 2 hours ago, Pidge said: We have become a club run by gamblers. We gamble on old players with injuries, or just old. We gamble with lower league players or rejects from higher league teams. We gamble with young players considered possible future prospects. We gamble with first time managers. All hoping that somehow 11 of those bets will pay off at the same time. Not many people win big on accumulator bets. Its not really a surprise our team isn't doing so well. Nothing intrinsically wrong with first time managers. Hardwick, Frizzell, Royle. Just like experienced managers, the knack is in choosing the right one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magic Mikey Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 4 minutes ago, LaticsPete said: Nothing intrinsically wrong with first time managers. Hardwick, Frizzell, Royle. Just like experienced managers, the knack is in choosing the right one. Johnson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rudemedic Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 On 10/28/2020 at 8:59 PM, Chaddyexile84 said: Wild was not the manager when we signed Dearnley - Scholes was - he was his first signing along with the West Ham guy but let’s not talk about him No he wasn't. Dearnley signed 31/01/19, played and scored against Crawley 09/02/19. Scholes was appointed 11/02/19, with his first game a 4-1 win against Yeovil the next day, and most realised Wild was effectively manager for that game, Scholes' only win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaddyexile84 Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 7 hours ago, rudemedic said: No he wasn't. Dearnley signed 31/01/19, played and scored against Crawley 09/02/19. Scholes was appointed 11/02/19, with his first game a 4-1 win against Yeovil the next day, and most realised Wild was effectively manager for that game, Scholes' only win. Correct my bad. However, was it not accepted at the time that Scholes would have had the input for Dearnley given his Utd links and given he’d agreed to become manager weeks before he did whilst the EFL pissed about. Similar to how Johnson gave us the heads up on Korey Smith before taking over Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBigDog Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 1 hour ago, Chaddyexile84 said: Correct my bad. However, was it not accepted at the time that Scholes would have had the input for Dearnley given his Utd links and given he’d agreed to become manager weeks before he did whilst the EFL pissed about. Similar to how Johnson gave us the heads up on Korey Smith before taking over This. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
latics22 Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 9 hours ago, rudemedic said: No he wasn't. Dearnley signed 31/01/19, played and scored against Crawley 09/02/19. Scholes was appointed 11/02/19, with his first game a 4-1 win against Yeovil the next day, and most realised Wild was effectively manager for that game, Scholes' only win. Was blatantly a scholes signing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rudemedic Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 5 hours ago, Chaddyexile84 said: Correct my bad. However, was it not accepted at the time that Scholes would have had the input for Dearnley given his Utd links and given he’d agreed to become manager weeks before he did whilst the EFL pissed about. Similar to how Johnson gave us the heads up on Korey Smith before taking over 4 hours ago, TheBigDog said: This. 3 hours ago, latics22 said: Was blatantly a scholes signing On 10/28/2020 at 7:37 PM, rudemedic said: Yes it seems likely Scholes recommended Dearnley when we signed him first time round on loan from United. But Wild was the manager and may well have known about Dearnley due to his various roles at the club and with the local FA then. Which is what I said. Although I highlighted that just because he was United at the time, doesn't mean that Wild had no clue about him. Two different people can know about potential signings (from local clubs). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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