League one forever Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 Excluding Clarke. Every single defender we’ve got is shit - including Wheater. Who played every game in the second worst defensive record in the division last season. It’s obvious where our budget went in the summer. Add into that HK tactics, and it’s no surprise why we concede so many. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Banks, Zone 3 Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 So so so frustrating We could've been top half tonight, but instead we're back to sodding 17th yet again. We're never going to escape this perpetual game of snakes and ladders until we sort that appalling "defence' out and HK and the rest of the management committee learn the value of a settled side. For the first time in years we've got a team full of goals and yet, once again, we're set to finish..... sodding 17th Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 HK says teams who go up score plenty of goals, but I'm fairly sure they don't by conceding 100 goals as we look to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Bosnian Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 17 minutes ago, BP1960 said: HK says teams who go up score plenty of goals, but I'm fairly sure they don't by conceding 100 goals as we look to do. Made himself look a right plonker with that result hasn't he. We score three goals and lose the game thanks to his gung-ho approach of 'We'll score more than you'. Fix the defence and stop giving them two goals start and we might be a half-decent side with a chance of getting out of this division. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Banks, Zone 3 Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 Absolutely spot on. We're now on 50 conceded in the league and our record is 95, that could well go this season. Didn't Manchester City once concede over a 100 goals in a season though and still go up?! Some time in the 1930's I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guy Branston Pickle Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 23 minutes ago, League one forever said: Excluding Clarke. Every single defender we’ve got is shit - including Wheater. Who played every game in the second worst defensive record in the division last season. It’s obvious where our budget went in the summer. Add into that HK tactics, and it’s no surprise why we concede so many. I agree with the Wheater comment. He's suddenly turned into Baresi since being cast out, but he was shite for the majority of last season. He'd still improve this defence mind, but then again I think i probably would too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_mighty_bosh Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 1 hour ago, BP1960 said: They are never together as a unit. Most coaches don't chop and change their back 4 every match. Agreed, although I look at the unit more from a defence and midfield point of view. I really like the way our midfield tonight played going forward but they offer zero protection for an already sub-standard defence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 Was thinking if we had a keeper like Les Pogliacomi who was excellent in the air we would have conceded a lot less Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 3 minutes ago, the_mighty_bosh said: Agreed, although I look at the unit more from a defence and midfield point of view. I really like the way our midfield tonight played going forward but they offer zero protection for an already sub-standard defence. But we played with 2 holding midfielders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaddyexile84 Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 45 minutes ago, BP1960 said: Why was Tasmedir brought in? A wasted loanee IMO. Because it was transfer window and there are playing Football Manager ”we don’t need a midfielder but oh look a midfielder is available” shambles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 7 minutes ago, Chaddyexile84 said: Because it was transfer window and there are playing Football Manager ”we don’t need a midfielder but oh look a midfielder is available” shambles Smacks of agents hustling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBigDog Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 Positives: Good going forward and with a little more luck/composure could have scored 5 or 6. McAleny and MaCalmont had good games. Heads never dropped. Nice cameo from Barnes. Negatives: Lawlor’s decision making and determination to come for the ball was extremely poor The defence in general was just didn’t deal with crosses into the box Piergianni hitting the post at the death - how did he miss? The referee One other thought: Kewell having to rotate 7 loanees is going to cause more problems. We’d be better off sending two back to their parent clubs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 Harry's view...https://www.theoldhamtimes.co.uk/sport/19095440.oldham-boss-harry-kewell-defeat-forest-green-thriller/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
penrhyn Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 Speaks volumes Wheater is still here . Nobody wants the overated blood sucking fcker . Be very suprised if he kicks a ball again in league football unless Hartlepool go up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc1955 Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 5 games against Forest Green fuc**** Rovers since 2018 and have yet to beat them...3 draws & 2 losses, how depressing is that!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nzlatic Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 Whether Wheater would improve the team or not isn’t the main issue, it’s that he’s here but he’s not an option for Kewell. Same goes for Clarke, here but not an option tonight because we have too many loans. It’s absolute madness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_mighty_bosh Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 Long and rambling post alert! There were individual mistakes tonight, Bahamboula for the first, Lawlor for the second (mistake is being kind), and combined mistakes like Jombati for making it even easier than it already was for the 3rd, Badan for letting goals 3 and 4 come in from his side way too easily and Jombati and Piergianni for the 4th by giving Davison so much space in between them. But I'm going to look at it on two broader levels. Firstly, as I've said in a post above, the midfield is set up to attack but not defend and we get what we deserve for it. Personally I found it really good to watch the way we moved the ball around, we've got individual quality in attack but what's better is that we look even more dangerous as a team with the link up play (see the 3rd goal). However as fluid as we are going forward we are even more fluid defensively and have been all season. Kewell, the midfielders and of course the defenders and keeper need to be more responsible if they genuinely think we can challenge at the top of the league. Secondly, looking at it in an even broader way, I'd go as far as saying that the way we defend on the pitch is in line with the way conduct ourselves as a club. We don't do things properly around here (see the sporting director, the way we recruit and the way we produce financial information at board level) which means that we fall into the obvious traps that any successful club at this level would never do. The most ill-disciplined defence in the league matches probably the least professionally ran club in the EFL. With all this in mind, I believe the notion that our club in it's current state is able to challenge for promotion is laughable. And that's why as bad as the defence is, I can't get too angry about it because it's pretty much in line with the standard I expect from the club at present. Luckily this is the most enjoyable attacking Latics team that I've seen in years and Kewell has definitely coached the team in a way that they really can click when attacking. I genuinely can't remember the last manager who did this for most of the season, maybe Shez in 07, Wellens did for a brief period in the relegation season. He's done it with cast-offs and gambles and it's impressive. In an incredibly shitty year or more, it's a very welcome surprise and it takes the edge off things a little bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_mighty_bosh Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 57 minutes ago, BP1960 said: But we played with 2 holding midfielders. Sorry I can't agree with that, Hilßner was the closest thing we had to a holding midfielder and even he was much more advanced in the 2nd half. McCalmont, Bahamboula, DKD and to a lesser extent Tasdemir all drifted wide and got involved centrally at different times. That fluidity is and was great for attacking, but terrible for defending and it showed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary1906 Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 5 minutes ago, the_mighty_bosh said: Long and rambling post alert! There were individual mistakes tonight, Bahamboula for the first, Lawlor for the second (mistake is being kind), and combined mistakes like Jombati for making it even easier than it already was for the 3rd, Badan for letting goals 3 and 4 come in from his side way too easily and Jombati and Piergianni for the 4th by giving Davison so much space in between them. But I'm going to look at it on two broader levels. Firstly, as I've said in a post above, the midfield is set up to attack but not defend and we get what we deserve for it. Personally I found it really good to watch the way we moved the ball around, we've got individual quality in attack but what's better is that we look even more dangerous as a team with the link up play (see the 3rd goal). However as fluid as we are going forward we are even more fluid defensively and have been all season. Kewell, the midfielders and of course the defenders and keeper need to be more responsible if they genuinely think we can challenge at the top of the league. Secondly, looking at it in an even broader way, I'd go as far as saying that the way we defend on the pitch is in line with the way conduct ourselves as a club. We don't do things properly around here (see the sporting director, the way we recruit and the way we produce financial information at board level) which means that we fall into the obvious traps that any successful club at this level would never do. The most ill-disciplined defence in the league matches probably the least professionally ran club in the EFL. With all this in mind, I believe the notion that our club in it's current state is able to challenge for promotion is laughable. And that's why as bad as the defence is, I can't get too angry about it because it's pretty much in line with the standard I expect from the club at present. Luckily this is the most enjoyable attacking Latics team that I've seen in years and Kewell has definitely coached the team in a way that they really can click when attacking. I genuinely can't remember the last manager who did this for most of the season, maybe Shez in 07, Wellens did for a brief period in the relegation season. He's done it with cast-offs and gambles and it's impressive. In an incredibly shitty year or more, it's a very welcome surprise and it takes the edge off things a little bit. I agree with much of what you say. Given that Harry has managed to make them click as an attacking unit, but certainly not as a defensive one, I wonder if there would be an argument to bring in some sort of defensive coach to try to sort them out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 2 minutes ago, the_mighty_bosh said: Sorry I can't agree with that, Hilßner was the closest thing we had to a holding midfielder and even he was much more advanced in the 2nd half. McCalmont, Bahamboula, DKD and to a lesser extent Tasdemir all drifted wide and got involved centrally at different times. That fluidity is and was great for attacking, but terrible for defending and it showed. Dies anyone know why was Bahamboula was subbed for a player way off the pace? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshgaz Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 1 hour ago, the_mighty_bosh said: Agreed, although I look at the unit more from a defence and midfield point of view. I really like the way our midfield tonight played going forward but they offer zero protection for an already sub-standard defence. Spot on. Goals we gave were unforgivable, but the first really highlights your point. Our wingers also offer zero defensive protection which is another factor amongst many as to why we concede so many. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshgaz Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 2 minutes ago, BP1960 said: Dies anyone know why was Bahamboula was subbed for a player way off the pace. Because he wasn't really contributing anything? Mcaleny was in form and Grant had also notched so made sense to keep him on? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 11 minutes ago, the_mighty_bosh said: Long and rambling post alert! There were individual mistakes tonight, Bahamboula for the first, Lawlor for the second (mistake is being kind), and combined mistakes like Jombati for making it even easier than it already was for the 3rd, Badan for letting goals 3 and 4 come in from his side way too easily and Jombati and Piergianni for the 4th by giving Davison so much space in between them. But I'm going to look at it on two broader levels. Firstly, as I've said in a post above, the midfield is set up to attack but not defend and we get what we deserve for it. Personally I found it really good to watch the way we moved the ball around, we've got individual quality in attack but what's better is that we look even more dangerous as a team with the link up play (see the 3rd goal). However as fluid as we are going forward we are even more fluid defensively and have been all season. Kewell, the midfielders and of course the defenders and keeper need to be more responsible if they genuinely think we can challenge at the top of the league. Secondly, looking at it in an even broader way, I'd go as far as saying that the way we defend on the pitch is in line with the way conduct ourselves as a club. We don't do things properly around here (see the sporting director, the way we recruit and the way we produce financial information at board level) which means that we fall into the obvious traps that any successful club at this level would never do. The most ill-disciplined defence in the league matches probably the least professionally ran club in the EFL. With all this in mind, I believe the notion that our club in it's current state is able to challenge for promotion is laughable. And that's why as bad as the defence is, I can't get too angry about it because it's pretty much in line with the standard I expect from the club at present. Luckily this is the most enjoyable attacking Latics team that I've seen in years and Kewell has definitely coached the team in a way that they really can click when attacking. I genuinely can't remember the last manager who did this for most of the season, maybe Shez in 07, Wellens did for a brief period in the relegation season. He's done it with cast-offs and gambles and it's impressive. In an incredibly shitty year or more, it's a very welcome surprise and it takes the edge off things a little bit. Had a chance in the transfer window to bring in a decent centre back, but chose a midfielder who will hardly get a game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_mighty_bosh Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 1 minute ago, Gary1906 said: I agree with much of what you say. Given that Harry has managed to make them click as an attacking unit, but certainly not as a defensive one, I wonder if there would be an argument to bring in some sort of defensive coach to try to sort them out? That's a great point. You would hope that Maybury would be able to offer that kind of expertise. But to be fair to him, the way Kewell sets us up makes it difficult for defensive advice to be that effective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc1955 Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 7 minutes ago, BP1960 said: Dies anyone know why was Bahamboula was subbed for a player way off the pace? He was very subdued tonight and was playing a lot deeper than usual. That’s two away games against FGR where he’s looked really poor and off the pace! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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