SweeperKeeper Posted February 17, 2021 Share Posted February 17, 2021 7 minutes ago, Bobledgersheart said: I wasn't too keen on him either. Honestly though, Kewell's faults don't make Maamria's record better. He's down there with Kelly and Dunn in our worst of all time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaddyexile84 Posted February 17, 2021 Share Posted February 17, 2021 Just listened to Kewell... ”We attack as a team we defend as a team and I won’t have anyone say any different” hmmm not happy at being called out for having a shit defence Harry? ”blaming this one blaming that one yeah we have to better on the defensive side of the game” it’s almost like we haven’t just had a transfer window screaming out for a centre back and we brought in a midfielder.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
League one forever Posted February 17, 2021 Share Posted February 17, 2021 36 minutes ago, Chaddyexile84 said: Just listened to Kewell... ”We attack as a team we defend as a team and I won’t have anyone say any different” hmmm not happy at being called out for having a shit defence Harry? ”blaming this one blaming that one yeah we have to better on the defensive side of the game” it’s almost like we haven’t just had a transfer window screaming out for a centre back and we brought in a midfielder.... Or he did recent interview saying, ‘everyone concedes goals at this level.’ Followed up with. If I could sign one more player if it would have to a be striker, you can never have enough’ While being entertainingly shit is a nice change. . .We’re still shit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
League one forever Posted February 17, 2021 Share Posted February 17, 2021 3 hours ago, tGWB said: the football magazine Four Four Two preseason predicted us to finish 21st We’ll be nearer to 21st than the top7 Agreed. And Karl is deluded if he thinks our squad is top ten, I’d wager our budget is nowhere near the top ten. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
disjointed Posted February 17, 2021 Share Posted February 17, 2021 15 minutes ago, League one forever said: Agreed. And Karl is deluded if he thinks our squad is top ten, I’d wager our budget is nowhere near the top ten. Budgets don't mean too much at this level if you have most of the basics right. Well run club Decent coaching staff Team spirit Good owners. Managerial stability Look at Accy the division above us, I would wager they have the lowest budget in the division. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
League one forever Posted February 17, 2021 Share Posted February 17, 2021 1 hour ago, disjointed said: Budgets don't mean too much at this level if you have most of the basics right. Well run club Decent coaching staff Team spirit Good owners. Managerial stability Look at Accy the division above us, I would wager they have the lowest budget in the division. Of course. They all contribute, and you will have the odd club that exceeds their budget with the above in place. However 8/9 times out of ten you finish roughly where your budget is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_mighty_bosh Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 17 hours ago, otid said: Not disagreeing pal. Gets my vote over Kewell I rate Kewell and Dino at a similar level, albeit with very contrasting styles. As flawed as it is, I prefer Kewell's approach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_mighty_bosh Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 13 hours ago, SweeperKeeper said: Honestly though, Kewell's faults don't make Maamria's record better. He's down there with Kelly and Dunn in our worst of all time. I'd definitely put Robinson in there too. Granted he had 5 contracted players when he got here, but 12 goals in 24 league games (16 of those were scoreless) is right down there with the worst. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_Og Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 32 minutes ago, the_mighty_bosh said: I'd definitely put Robinson in there too. Granted he had 5 contracted players when he got here, but 12 goals in 24 league games (16 of those were scoreless) is right down there with the worst. But like so many of our apparently crap players he did pretty well elsewhere for a good while after he left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcfluff1985 Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 Post about Wheater using those statistics I just can't get on board with. Comparing 3 games to 37 isn't possible and then bending those stats to include games where Wheater played but we conceded when he wasn't on the pitch to make his stats seem better is hilarious. Are those games ones where he was an absolute idiot and got himself sent off? Wheater was shite, nowhere near what everyone hoped and now he isn't playing all those who were saying the same have him down as the saviour. Better than Jombatti? Yes. Not by much. Then BP pops up with Dino being a motivational head coach. Jesus wept. Hates a clipboard but loves a man who waves his arms around despite the fact it was some of the worst football anyone has witnessed. I'd take the FGR game and us being an attacking side over any one of his performances or anything bar a few games we've seen over the last 8 years. People here would rather watch a tedious 1-0 defeat with the manager waving his arms about than a 7 goal thriller like FGR. I'd rather us go Kevin Keegan style all out attack than watch us sit back and try and nick a 1-0 and end up drawing or losing with about 1 shot on goal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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tGWB Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 28 minutes ago, mcfluff1985 said: Post about Wheater using those statistics I just can't get on board with. Comparing 3 games to 37 isn't possible and then bending those stats to include games where Wheater played but we conceded when he wasn't on the pitch to make his stats seem better is hilarious. Are those games ones where he was an absolute idiot and got himself sent off? Wheater was shite, nowhere near what everyone hoped and now he isn't playing all those who were saying the same have him down as the saviour. Better than Jombatti? Yes. Not by much. Then BP pops up with Dino being a motivational head coach. Jesus wept. Hates a clipboard but loves a man who waves his arms around despite the fact it was some of the worst football anyone has witnessed. I'd take the FGR game and us being an attacking side over any one of his performances or anything bar a few games we've seen over the last 8 years. People here would rather watch a tedious 1-0 defeat with the manager waving his arms about than a 7 goal thriller like FGR. I'd rather us go Kevin Keegan style all out attack than watch us sit back and try and nick a 1-0 and end up drawing or losing with about 1 shot on goal Am with you on this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magic Mikey Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 37 minutes ago, mcfluff1985 said: Post about Wheater using those statistics I just can't get on board with. Comparing 3 games to 37 isn't possible and then bending those stats to include games where Wheater played but we conceded when he wasn't on the pitch to make his stats seem better is hilarious. Are those games ones where he was an absolute idiot and got himself sent off? Wheater was shite, nowhere near what everyone hoped and now he isn't playing all those who were saying the same have him down as the saviour. Better than Jombatti? Yes. Not by much. Then BP pops up with Dino being a motivational head coach. Jesus wept. Hates a clipboard but loves a man who waves his arms around despite the fact it was some of the worst football anyone has witnessed. I'd take the FGR game and us being an attacking side over any one of his performances or anything bar a few games we've seen over the last 8 years. People here would rather watch a tedious 1-0 defeat with the manager waving his arms about than a 7 goal thriller like FGR. I'd rather us go Kevin Keegan style all out attack than watch us sit back and try and nick a 1-0 and end up drawing or losing with about 1 shot on goal It's not a binary choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaddyexile84 Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 39 minutes ago, mcfluff1985 said: Post about Wheater using those statistics I just can't get on board with. Comparing 3 games to 37 isn't possible and then bending those stats to include games where Wheater played but we conceded when he wasn't on the pitch to make his stats seem better is hilarious. Are those games ones where he was an absolute idiot and got himself sent off? Wheater was shite, nowhere near what everyone hoped and now he isn't playing all those who were saying the same have him down as the saviour. Better than Jombatti? Yes. Not by much. Then BP pops up with Dino being a motivational head coach. Jesus wept. Hates a clipboard but loves a man who waves his arms around despite the fact it was some of the worst football anyone has witnessed. I'd take the FGR game and us being an attacking side over any one of his performances or anything bar a few games we've seen over the last 8 years. People here would rather watch a tedious 1-0 defeat with the manager waving his arms about than a 7 goal thriller like FGR. I'd rather us go Kevin Keegan style all out attack than watch us sit back and try and nick a 1-0 and end up drawing or losing with about 1 shot on goal Can’t argue with any of that apart from I don’t think Wheater would be a saviour but it would be nice to be able to judge on seeing him. And my gran is better than Jombatti (not by much) I’d still play her first. Slightly better than shit is better than just shit fantastic post though especially on Dino the good dinosaur Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guy Branston Pickle Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 19 hours ago, BP1960 said: We had one in Dino. I'd take the football under Kewell over Dino's everyday of the week. It hasn't been a brilliant season performance wise but it's been a million times more entertaining than last season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcfluff1985 Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 23 minutes ago, Chaddyexile84 said: Can’t argue with any of that apart from I don’t think Wheater would be a saviour but it would be nice to be able to judge on seeing him. And my gran is better than Jombatti (not by much) I’d still play her first. Slightly better than shit is better than just shit fantastic post though especially on Dino the good dinosaur We have seen him though. I didn't rate him. Maybe because I was always comparing him to PC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 11 minutes ago, Guy Branston Pickle said: I'd take the football under Kewell over Dino's everyday of the week. It hasn't been a brilliant season performance wise but it's been a million times more entertaining than last season You didn't think the Newport win entertaining? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc1955 Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 11 minutes ago, Guy Branston Pickle said: I'd take the football under Kewell over Dino's everyday of the week. It hasn't been a brilliant season performance wise but it's been a million times more entertaining than last season Correct...it has, but only away games. The home displays have been just about as bad as I’ve ever seen! It would be brilliant if we could build on it, sort out the CB situation next season and crack on but you just know we’ll be almost starting from scratch yet again!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tGWB Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 11 hours ago, League one forever said: Of course. They all contribute, and you will have the odd club that exceeds their budget with the above in place. However 8/9 times out of ten you finish roughly where your budget is. I don't subscribe to 'the clubs with the biggest budget will finish higher than clubs with a low budget' thinking especially in League 2 A healthy team spirit throughout the squad beats a few 'highly paid journeymen' all day long I don't believe anyone plays for an owner or a board, players turn out committed performances for their own personal pride, their fellow players, supporters and for a manager that motivates th We have had some brilliant Away performances this season so we cant be far off the mark regarding team spirit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magic Mikey Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 11 minutes ago, mcfluff1985 said: We have seen him though. I didn't rate him. Maybe because I was always comparing him to PC. We haven't seen him alongside Harry Clarke. I was disappointed with his contribution but don't confuse not meeting expectations with his actual level of performance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaddyexile84 Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 22 minutes ago, BP1960 said: You didn't think the Newport win entertaining? One... Match.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafcmetty Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 2 hours ago, the_mighty_bosh said: I'd definitely put Robinson in there too. Granted he had 5 contracted players when he got here, but 12 goals in 24 league games (16 of those were scoreless) is right down there with the worst. Linked with the Bristol R job Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Worcester Owl Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 2 hours ago, mcfluff1985 said: Post about Wheater using those statistics I just can't get on board with. Comparing 3 games to 37 isn't possible and then bending those stats to include games where Wheater played but we conceded when he wasn't on the pitch to make his stats seem better is hilarious. Are those games ones where he was an absolute idiot and got himself sent off? Wheater was shite, nowhere near what everyone hoped and now he isn't playing all those who were saying the same have him down as the saviour. Better than Jombatti? Yes. Not by much. Then BP pops up with Dino being a motivational head coach. Jesus wept. Hates a clipboard but loves a man who waves his arms around despite the fact it was some of the worst football anyone has witnessed. I'd take the FGR game and us being an attacking side over any one of his performances or anything bar a few games we've seen over the last 8 years. People here would rather watch a tedious 1-0 defeat with the manager waving his arms about than a 7 goal thriller like FGR. I'd rather us go Kevin Keegan style all out attack than watch us sit back and try and nick a 1-0 and end up drawing or losing with about 1 shot on goal I really enjoyed reading this post. Don't agree with every word, but opinions are what this website is all about On Wheater, I think most of us agree that a properly run club would have sorted the situation - maybe not allowed it to develop at all - long ago. But like the North Stand saga, on and on it goes. He is not, by a long way, one of our better players but for a club with our limited resources to have kept his wage on the budget for so long without sorting it out tells you that, in my view, we'll never advance under the clowns who own this club. Dino as a manager was hopeless. I'm not convinced yet by HK, but I like him and his attacking approach and suspect that with sensible owners behind him he might thrive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_mighty_bosh Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 35 minutes ago, Chaddyexile84 said: One... Match.... How about the Mansfield and Bradford games? I'm pretty indifferent towards Dino. The style wasn't pretty, he relied on passion and physicality over nous, but I wouldn't put him in the category of our worst managers ever. The squad he inherited for the most part wasn't good and our attacking options were awful. He made that squad functional enough to get enough wins and points to be stay away from danger (of course it didn't matter in the end). He didn't get very long to manage the squad we had from January onwards and if he had I think his record would've had an even amount of wins, draws and losses by the end of the season. Probably enough to have a crack at this season at any professionally ran club. On the flip side, whereas I see Kewell having ideas and methods to develop players that could translate to higher levels, I absolutely didn't see that with Dino. If he had stayed for another season I would predict that he would have had a similar outcome to his full season at Stevenage, upper mid-table with a slim chance of the playoffs but us fans bored and disillusioned with the football on display with no hope of improvement. Pretty much the Ronnie Moore season but in League Two (how sexy is that thought!). And I witnessed Cheltenham and Exeter first hand (Cheltenham was worse, it was hopeless) so I know how bad it could be under Dino. I think we would probably be marginally higher this season if Dino had still been in charge, but not by enough to make it worth it and the chaotic way we set up under Kewell is more enjoyable to watch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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