League one forever Posted March 13, 2021 Share Posted March 13, 2021 6 minutes ago, oafcmetty said: @League one forever Thanks for the memories Metty. In my defence Monaco is slightly better than (insert random 4th division french side) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted March 13, 2021 Share Posted March 13, 2021 Disillusioned already..https://www.theoldhamtimes.co.uk/sport/19159028.amp/?__twitter_impression=true Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_mighty_bosh Posted March 13, 2021 Share Posted March 13, 2021 39 minutes ago, SweeperKeeper said: Walker: OG on his league debut, says it all. Doubt he'd get a game in the National League South. Badan: struggling again out of position Diarra: worst player in the pitch by a country mile. Shouldn't have made half time Ntambwe and McCalmont: barely won a ball or found a blue shirt between them Fage: did ok, got in their faces far more than Ntambwe or McCalmont, but isn't going to change a game McAleny: missing in action, again. Doesn't work in this system at all. - I thought he played well in the first half and linked up with the other forward players. He's almost acting as the foil in that front three which is bad for him but gave Hilßner, DKD and Adams more space. Hilssner: best of a bad bunch in the middle, should've stayed on Adams: our best player for me, but less effective after he was switched to the left Piergianni: another solid performance Keillor-Dunn: took his chances well, would like to see him up front playing off somebody who can hold the ball up - very impressed with his composure and finishing for the goals and I don't mind him taking responsibility for the pen. He should've done much better for the headed chance between his goals though. Bahamboula couldn't do much, Grant is not a target man for me, and Tasdemir is a waste of space - I'm glad that Curle played Bahamboula deeper and wider today and as a result he was much more threatening than Tuesday. Grant's the closest thing to a target man that we have, which says a lot because naturally he isn't one. I thought that Tasdemir looked OK playing a bit more centrally and as an attacking midfielder rather than as a winger or a striker. Very good post though and I agree with everything else that's not in bold. I'm actually more optimistic after that than after Tuesday. Curle played Hilßner and Bahamboula in much more natural positions which is promising and I don't have an issue with the shape we used. The big concerns are that we don't have a proper target man for him to use (not Curle's fault) and some very poor/abysmal individual performances today. Walker didn't justify being in ahead of Bilboe although I'd only really blame him for the 4th goal. Ntambwe was poor but I thought that McCalmont was worse and has not earned his place on current form. Of course Diarra was the abysmal performance, he may have been given a contract extension but he'll definitely be dropped on Tuesday. For me, if we play... Bilboe (either keeper really) Clarke Piergianni Jameson Adams Ntambwe (or any other midfielder) Hilßner Badan Bahamboula McAleny DKD ...on Tuesday, we'll stand a good chance of a win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SweeperKeeper Posted March 13, 2021 Share Posted March 13, 2021 19 minutes ago, TheBigDog said: Agree with most of this apart from the comments on McAleny and McCalmont. McAleny certainly didn’t go missing but the system played by Curle gave him few opportunities. McCalmont was busy all afternoon but he does get knocked off the ball far too easily. Jameson is available on Tuesday but where oh where is Borthwick-Jackson? McCalmont was "busy" in that he runs about a lot, but I stand by what I said - he never won the ball, and hardly completed a pass. Not a forward one, anyway. We need more than that from him. I'm not sure how Borthwick-Jackson is supposed to help things either, he's not a centre back either and just as suspect as Badan defensively. People just seem to always want whoever didn't play on the last defeat, forgetting why they were dropped in the first place. It's a bit like those claiming Whelan will solve our problems as if he's magically a different player from earlier in the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SweeperKeeper Posted March 13, 2021 Share Posted March 13, 2021 9 minutes ago, BP1960 said: Disillusioned already..https://www.theoldhamtimes.co.uk/sport/19159028.amp/?__twitter_impression=true Think you're projecting your own thoughts on him there, I think he sounds quite positive in the interview, even though there is some justified criticism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Worcester Owl Posted March 13, 2021 Share Posted March 13, 2021 8 minutes ago, BP1960 said: Disillusioned already..https://www.theoldhamtimes.co.uk/sport/19159028.amp/?__twitter_impression=true Doesn't come across as disillusioned at all for me, I'm sure he didn't have any illusions to start with. Just rightly very frustrated about losing a 2-0 lead and missing the penalty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBigDog Posted March 13, 2021 Share Posted March 13, 2021 17 minutes ago, SweeperKeeper said: People just seem to always want whoever didn't play on the last defeat, forgetting why they were dropped in the first place. CBJ injured not dropped. Jameson was suspended for three games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Featured Comment doctor evil Posted March 13, 2021 Featured Comment Share Posted March 13, 2021 It was a strange game really because 2-4 seems harsh but at the same time I don't think we deserved anything out of the game. Walker: Obviously made the mistake for their 4th. I'm willing to give him a bit of a break though because he made 1 or 2 cracking saves in the first half. He's also only just come in and so will have had limited time with this bunch of idiots. The other 3 goals I don't think he stood much chance with. Adams: Threatened all game even when on his weaker side. He's one of the few in the squad that I think could still do a job in league 1. Diarra: About as bad a performance as you can have. Poor on and off the ball, gave away a penny. On that showing he's nowhere close to being good enough but based on injuries he's going to have to bounce back, interesting to see if he does... Pidge: I don't think he did too much wrong today. Always solid in the air and covered for diarra and badan a lot too. Think he's improved his distribution aswell. Badan: Not a CB, on the few occasions he got forward he looked ok. Doesn't say a lot about jombati/ Sutton that he's having to do the job. Fage: I didn't think he offered as much as he did in his cameo against vale. He's solid enough defensively but my problem with him has always been end product. Ntambwe: Bad game, I would've sacrificed him at half time. He's terrible on the ball and couldn't get anywhere near Cambridge. CDM is such a crucial position when you play 3 at the back and he's not good enough to do it.... Mcalmont: I still think there's a decent player in there (against increasing evidence). I think he's trying to do too much because he knows how terrible ntambwe is. It means he gets dragged out of position too often. Hillsner: I think he's better in the middle, gives us that driving force and he's probably the best passer. That being said I didn't think he had his best game today. DKD: Becoming a reliable goal scorer. Multiple times he looked to get in behind and had a couple of close calls. I won't blame him for wanting to take the penalty, I'm happy he's got the confidence. Poor penalty though. Perfect height for the GK. McAleny: Involved heavily in the first 10 minutes, probably would've buried the chance dkd took off him. Quiet after that but there's always the chance of him popping up with a goal so I'd have left him on. Probably would've buried the penalty too. Overall I thought the performance was ok. We just shot ourselves in the foot giving away 3 goals against one of the better teams in the division. On the penalty, there should've been a designated penalty taker and if that was grant he had to take it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deyres42 Posted March 13, 2021 Share Posted March 13, 2021 3 at the back is very difficult if the players aren't accustomed to playing it, needs time on the training ground and centre backs comfortable in possession, not sure we have either of both of those at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted March 13, 2021 Share Posted March 13, 2021 37 minutes ago, the_mighty_bosh said: Very good post though and I agree with everything else that's not in bold. I'm actually more optimistic after that than after Tuesday. Curle played Hilßner and Bahamboula in much more natural positions which is promising and I don't have an issue with the shape we used. The big concerns are that we don't have a proper target man for him to use (not Curle's fault) and some very poor/abysmal individual performances today. Walker didn't justify being in ahead of Bilboe although I'd only really blame him for the 4th goal. Ntambwe was poor but I thought that McCalmont was worse and has not earned his place on current form. Of course Diarra was the abysmal performance, he may have been given a contract extension but he'll definitely be dropped on Tuesday. For me, if we play... Bilboe (either keeper really) Clarke Piergianni Jameson Adams Ntambwe (or any other midfielder) Hilßner Badan Bahamboula McAleny DKD ...on Tuesday, we'll stand a good chance of a win. How about the novelty of playing 2 up front? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
League one forever Posted March 13, 2021 Share Posted March 13, 2021 2 minutes ago, deyres42 said: 3 at the back is very difficult if the players aren't accustomed to playing it, needs time on the training ground and centre backs comfortable in possession, not sure we have either of both of those at the moment. Anything at the back is difficult with shit players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deyres42 Posted March 13, 2021 Share Posted March 13, 2021 4 minutes ago, League one forever said: Anything at the back is difficult with shit players. That's very true. Trying to make shit players do things they aren't comfortable with doesn't seem like the smart play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
League one forever Posted March 13, 2021 Share Posted March 13, 2021 2 minutes ago, deyres42 said: That's very true. Trying to make shit players do things they aren't comfortable with doesn't seem like the smart play. Spot on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlossopLatic Posted March 13, 2021 Share Posted March 13, 2021 11 minutes ago, BP1960 said: How about the novelty of playing 2 up front? Because - We haven't played 2 upfront all season and have been scoring freely. - We haven't got 2 out and out strikers at the club. - It won't stop us shipping goals. - Its the default solution by old stick in the muds who haven't moved on despite the fact most clubs even at this level don't play 2 upfront anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
disjointed Posted March 13, 2021 Share Posted March 13, 2021 12 minutes ago, GlossopLatic said: Because - We haven't played 2 upfront all season and have been scoring freely. - We haven't got 2 out and out strikers at the club. - It won't stop us shipping goals. - Its the default solution by old stick in the muds who haven't moved on despite the fact most clubs even at this level don't play 2 upfront anymore. TBF 4 4 2 can work, it gives the opposition something different to think about. The problem is we don't have the players that can adapt to different systems. Changing the coach every few months just confuses the situation. Stability is what we need, unfortunately the only constant is at board level and the DOF who is fucking clueless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeP Posted March 13, 2021 Share Posted March 13, 2021 1 hour ago, doctor evil said: Overall I thought the performance was ok. We just shot ourselves in the foot giving away 3 goals against one of the better teams in the division. On the penalty, there should've been a designated penalty taker and if that was grant he had to take it. That's extremely generous. Many of our players seemed not to have the ability to complete simple passes or control simple balls (and that's not for the first time this season). Cambridge might be near the top of the league, but they were awful (there was one corner routine in the second-half where it was played short, the chap took his time, picked his spot and then hoofed it high into the Chaddy, which had me in stitches..). The entire division is awful and we're getting dumped on on a regular basis. I think we're so used to us being shit that we see the merest demonstration of competence as "ok" these days. The club's knackered.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doctor evil Posted March 13, 2021 Share Posted March 13, 2021 7 minutes ago, JoeP said: That's extremely generous. Many of our players seemed not to have the ability to complete simple passes or control simple balls (and that's not for the first time this season). Cambridge might be near the top of the league, but they were awful (there was one corner routine in the second-half where it was played short, the chap took his time, picked his spot and then hoofed it high into the Chaddy, which had me in stitches..). The entire division is awful and we're getting dumped on on a regular basis. I think we're so used to us being shit that we see the merest demonstration of competence as "ok" these days. The club's knackered.... I try to take into account what I perceive to be the level of the players we've got. I see us as a middle of the road league 2 outfit. We've got a few players who are better than that but a lot that aren't. If you go into every match expecting to see loads of quality you're going to be disappointed a hell of a lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
disjointed Posted March 13, 2021 Share Posted March 13, 2021 6 minutes ago, doctor evil said: I try to take into account what I perceive to be the level of the players we've got. I see us as a middle of the road league 2 outfit. We've got a few players who are better than that but a lot that aren't. If you go into every match expecting to see loads of quality you're better off going to see 91 other teams FIFY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted March 13, 2021 Share Posted March 13, 2021 55 minutes ago, GlossopLatic said: Because - We haven't played 2 upfront all season and have been scoring freely. - We haven't got 2 out and out strikers at the club. - It won't stop us shipping goals. - Its the default solution by old stick in the muds who haven't moved on despite the fact most clubs even at this level don't play 2 upfront anymore. Don't fall for trends, they come and go. 2 good players up front will work against any team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlossopLatic Posted March 13, 2021 Share Posted March 13, 2021 Just now, BP1960 said: Don't fall for trends, they come and go. 2 good players up front will work against any team. And some die a death like 2-3-5 and the W M formation. Their will always be some enbittened old timer telling us we should do it like we used too I'm the golden days. Again how does 2 upfront solve our defensive problems Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeP Posted March 13, 2021 Share Posted March 13, 2021 4 minutes ago, doctor evil said: I try to take into account what I perceive to be the level of the players we've got. I see us as a middle of the road league 2 outfit. We've got a few players who are better than that but a lot that aren't. If you go into every match expecting to see loads of quality you're going to be disappointed a hell of a lot. I think McEleney and possibly Bahamboula and Hilsner are better than middle of the road League 2. DKD, Pidge and Adams are probably middle of the road League 2. The rest are lucky to be here. I gave up on seeing quality at Latics a long time ago....I do expect a certain standard, though and that seems to have declined fairly rapidly since our current owners have been in place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LightDN123 Posted March 13, 2021 Share Posted March 13, 2021 7 minutes ago, BP1960 said: Don't fall for trends, they come and go. 2 good players up front will work against any team. Big difference between trends and evolution. The games changed and moved on, with the wingers/attackers chipping in with a lot more goals these days rather than 2 men up top. Plus what you say is flawed. We don’t have two midfielders that combine well enough to play in a 2. We don’t even have a proper striker at the club never mind two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted March 13, 2021 Share Posted March 13, 2021 Just because it's out of fashion doesnt mean it won't work. Wait till I win the Euromillions, buy the owner out, sack his brother and run the team with good players using Big Joe's formation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doctor evil Posted March 13, 2021 Share Posted March 13, 2021 4 minutes ago, BP1960 said: Just because it's out of fashion doesnt mean it won't work. Wait till I win the Euromillions, buy the owner out, sack his brother and run the team with good players using Big Joe's formation. I'll be your assistant BP, I promise I won't bring a clipboard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc1955 Posted March 13, 2021 Share Posted March 13, 2021 2 minutes ago, doctor evil said: I'll be your assistant BP, I promise I won't bring a clipboard. You’ll be smashed over the head with it if you do! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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