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Do people actually dislike Richie Wellens I personally can't think of any reason too.   I see him as someone who was a great player for us a good ish coach who was let down badly by the regi

All managers get a free pass from me under this lot..   Wellens also had "peak" Abdallah to deal with, rather than the supposed watered-down (but destructive, never-the-less..) version we've

You mean except the club captain who was banished to the youth team and was only just reached a settlement a couple of weeks ago after we sold enough season tickets to pay him off.   The fir

1 minute ago, League one forever said:

. . and yet all still took the job knowing what the owner was like. 

 

We've all got bills to pay..

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2 hours ago, Dave_Og said:

Could have said the same re Wigan and they managed nearly a decade at the top and an FA Cup win.  Where they are now isn't directly related to those days. 


Wigan moved into a brand new stadium and crowds increased substantially. There is no way Salford City would generate anything like that sort of interest even with backing from the class of ‘92’

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3 hours ago, deyres42 said:

Or they might not. I've got no doubt they'll be a Championship club within 5 years if not sooner.

Best of all, they'll still be getting beaten on a regular basis by real club's with much smaller budgets 

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2 hours ago, nzlatic said:

I was at Portsmouth away.  After the football we played that day, Wellens can have the job whenever he wants it as far as I'm concerned.

HK had us playing some great football in quite a few games, but...Wellens is a good coach, but he can't sustain it as a manager. I don't want him back. 

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14 minutes ago, bigfatjoe1 said:

HK had us playing some great football in quite a few games, but...Wellens is a good coach, but he can't sustain it as a manager. I don't want him back. 


HK had us playing some very high scoring games - let’s not forget how often we had our head in our hands at the basics 

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9 hours ago, latics22 said:

Maybe if wellens had stood up to him from day one, Abdullah might never has become what he became 

When you say “stood up to him” what do you mean?   I’m sure standing up to him was exactly why Wellens was on his way. We know from Craig Davis interview who was at fault for destroying the team spirit and causing everyone to stop caring. 

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8 hours ago, League one forever said:

. . And in any job you’re accountable for what you do. 

 

But if many sources claim the job is unworkable, the chances are it's unlikely to be the employee that's the problem..

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Abdallah being a div is too much of a get out clause for Wellens. To get relegated with that squad was criminal and, for my money, Wellens should have had a lifetime ban from all football activity as a result...

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9 hours ago, bigfatjoe1 said:

HK had us playing some great football in quite a few games, but...Wellens is a good coach, but he can't sustain it as a manager. I don't want him back. 

 

Interesting observation - I’ve often thought that certain players who become managers would be better served to become specialist coaches. We see that a lot with goalkeepers (and with good reason) and to a certain extent with one or two clubs having defence  coaches.

 

i suggested recently that Kewell for instance would make a decent attacking coach  - Wellens possibly too.

 

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It’s never his fault. His position is always to blame the players publicly (His wife has been doing it too on social media prior to his sacking according to Salford fans). He’s not cut out to be a manager if that’s the case.  

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33 minutes ago, Lee Sinnott2 said:

Abdallah being a div is too much of a get out clause for Wellens. To get relegated with that squad was criminal and, for my money, Wellens should have had a lifetime ban from all football activity as a result...

 

Fair enough, if Wellens was allowed to pick what team he wanted from said squad...and didn't have to deal with the broken dressing room (caused by Abdallah) that Craig Davies talks about in his podcast.

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13 hours ago, bigfatjoe1 said:

He was a great player and he had a lot of potential as a coach. But, he couldn't rally and motivate the players for a final push, and he didn't look especially bothered. Still, that was purely my impression. I don't deny he was utterly undermined by ALMO, but it still felt like he didn't care less at the end. I don't dislike him, i don't really rate him as a manager.

 

 


My thoughts too.

 

I can’t shake the sight of him waving Placide back to his own goal rather than attack the corner in the last few moments of the Northampton match. Looked like he was happy to see us drop (which surely wasn’t the case, but the impression I got).

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He's only had one full season in management so far (ie finished previous season, full pre season and full playing season albeit reduced number of games) and he got promotion.  But yes, he's not made it work at Salford.

 

I liked him as our manager, I liked the way he spoke, he came across as honest and I believed him when he talked about his affection for the club and family links.  Of course he should take a chunk of the blame for our relegation but he was new to management and was working under what has since transpired to be almost impossible circumstances.

 

If this nightmare ever ended and we had owners who were rebuilding this club I would hope they would go for someone with genuine affection for the club where we could try and build some long term stability, like Wellens, Wild or Sheridan for example (not necessarily one of those, just that type of character with a link to the club).  As opposed to someone like Johnson who would always drop us at the first opportunity.

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10 minutes ago, nzlatic said:

He's only had one full season in management so far (ie finished previous season, full pre season and full playing season albeit reduced number of games) and he got promotion.  But yes, he's not made it work at Salford.

 

I liked him as our manager, I liked the way he spoke, he came across as honest and I believed him when he talked about his affection for the club and family links.  Of course he should take a chunk of the blame for our relegation but he was new to management and was working under what has since transpired to be almost impossible circumstances.

 

If this nightmare ever ended and we had owners who were rebuilding this club I would hope they would go for someone with genuine affection for the club where we could try and build some long term stability, like Wellens, Wild or Sheridan for example (not necessarily one of those, just that type of character with a link to the club).  As opposed to someone like Johnson who would always drop us at the first opportunity.

 

If Wellens or Wild had stayed here for a while and done well under stable conditions I'm sure they'd have had offers and I'm equally sure they'd have gone if they'd got a good one.  We conflate supporter loyalty with employee far too readily; it's a bit different when it is a job and an income.

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1 minute ago, Dave_Og said:

 

If Wellens or Wild had stayed here for a while and done well under stable conditions I'm sure they'd have had offers and I'm equally sure they'd have gone if they'd got a good one.  We conflate supporter loyalty with employee far too readily; it's a bit different when it is a job and an income.

Exactly. See Shez and Notts County.

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21 minutes ago, Dave_Og said:

 

If Wellens or Wild had stayed here for a while and done well under stable conditions I'm sure they'd have had offers and I'm equally sure they'd have gone if they'd got a good one.  We conflate supporter loyalty with employee far too readily; it's a bit different when it is a job and an income.

You're probably right, but it might depend on circumstances.  If Wild, seeing as he's a fan, had stayed under stable ownership and got us promoted out of league 2, would he then take the next decent job offered if the owner was telling him he would be backed for a promotion push out of league 1 if he stayed?  I think there still is loyalty there to be found if you give it the right circumstances.

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3 hours ago, JoeP said:

 

But if many sources claim the job is unworkable, the chances are it's unlikely to be the employee that's the problem..

So don’t take the job then. 
 

What you can’t do - is take the job at the chaotic business. Then use your get out of jail card at the first opportunity because your performance isn’t great. The fact that you can say meh to HK home record is baffling. He had ample opportunity to change things, but either couldn’t or wouldn’t. That is nothing to do with the owners. 

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52 minutes ago, nzlatic said:

You're probably right, but it might depend on circumstances.  If Wild, seeing as he's a fan, had stayed under stable ownership and got us promoted out of league 2, would he then take the next decent job offered if the owner was telling him he would be backed for a promotion push out of league 1 if he stayed?  I think there still is loyalty there to be found if you give it the right circumstances.

I see you’re point with Wild, possibly Bunn would of been similar.  But not Wellens who has proven his loyalty when he took Swindon up. .

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7 minutes ago, League one forever said:

I see you’re point with Wild, possibly Bunn would of been similar.  But not Wellens who has proven his loyalty when he took Swindon up. .

The only thing I'd say about Swindon is that he had no connection to the club or the area as far as I'm aware and his family were still based up north.

 

I wouldn't expect loyalty from someone with no previous connection, but I'm hopeful (or naive in thinking!) it still exists in the right circumstances.

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28 minutes ago, League one forever said:

So don’t take the job then. 

 

14 hours ago, JoeP said:

 

We've all got bills to pay..

 

28 minutes ago, League one forever said:

What you can’t do - is take the job at the chaotic business. Then use your get out of jail card at the first opportunity because your performance isn’t great. The fact that you can say meh to HK home record is baffling. He had ample opportunity to change things, but either couldn’t or wouldn’t. That is nothing to do with the owners. 

 

If HK couldn't change things, then that's the owner's fault, surely?  Apart from Shez, Wellens had less awareness than any manager since about how difficult the job would be.  I highly doubt people take the job now because they think they can do a good job - it's an income and they know no other club will view their record here seriously because it's a basket-case so they've nothing to lose.

 

We're not going to agree - the manager's job was difficult enough before these owners came in, but they've taken it to a whole other level.  No manager has succeeded so far working under them and I can't see that changing much in the future.  Wellens showed glimpses here of the potential he had (Pompey away, Blackburn and Northampton at home), but it all went to pot as the Lemsegams took a strangle hold.  Craig Davies talks about how poisonous the dressing room was due to the way the owners ran the club - throw in team interference and it sounded like an impossible situation to manage.  It's the owners fault for that and it's their fault we went down. 

 

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