Andy b Posted September 4, 2021 Share Posted September 4, 2021 2 minutes ago, deyres42 said: Most people don't care about pensions, turnover of staff etc. Like it or not it is about results. They won't get better by people running on the pitch or chanting outside the entrance. The focus needs to be solely on attracting new owners. The rest is just noise. Are people so naive that they don’t see the link between how the club is run, its culture, how staff are treated etc and results on the pitch? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daniel Posted September 4, 2021 Share Posted September 4, 2021 7 minutes ago, oafcmetty said: We have big problems. I spoke to a few folk today - admittedly mostly 40+, rather than those more likely to be engaged on social media etc - and the overriding sentiment was that they didn't understand why people were protesting, or what they hoped to gain from it. Not much active support for "the regime", but a general lack of support for protests/action in general. I think @Lee Sinnott2 experienced something similar on his travels recently... We'll get nowhere whilst there's a split - those willing to protest/tack action versus those who aren't sure why we're protesting/don't support the protests. Communication is key. Whilst the online stuff has been mostly great, and I include the podcasts in that, we're missing a huge segment of our support - those who aren't digitally engaged, or simply less likely to spend their days and hours thinking of OAFC than some of us! So what do we do? There are a number of options which spring to mind: Most importantly we need to get the messaging right. Something along the lines of: The current regime (including Blitz) are killing the club - turnover of managers, shocking recruitment, annoying sponsors, falling gates, poor treatment of fans, players, staff, etc etc There *are* people out there willing to buy the club We want them to sell/listen to offers Get this message out there: Open letter to the newspapers Leaflet campaign - get volunteers at every turnstile home and away. The club will try and stop it, so then move the campaign to pubs etc Radio phone ins Etc etc Direct action is great, lawful obviously - one thing we haven't yet done (to my knowledge) is getting in touch with all the sponsors of the club we can find, with the messaging as above Thoughts? This is the problem I see too. I still believe a large % of our support are of the older generation who don’t hugely engage on social media and who solely want to come and watch some football. The fact we’ve been pretty crap almost all of their lives suggests us being as bad as we are now won’t stop them from coming. I think it’s a great idea with the leaflets and trying to get as much information out there as possible to those without social media, and the club can do nothing about it outside of Boundary Park! My concerns are who will pay for all this, and will enough people partake in handing out such information etc? I’ll be honest and say I simply have so much apathy towards the club at the moment that I cannot be arsed. I may attend some protests but thats about as much as I personally would be willing to do! We also need to be careful not to alienate those who don’t wish to protest and who don’t want to get involved with any of this. Don’t want to see anyone calling those who still choose to attend games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deyres42 Posted September 4, 2021 Share Posted September 4, 2021 6 minutes ago, Andy b said: Are people so naive that they don’t see the link between how the club is run, its culture, how staff are treated etc and results on the pitch? I would say enough still are yes, and changing their mindsets will be very difficult. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy b Posted September 4, 2021 Share Posted September 4, 2021 11 minutes ago, daniel said: This is the problem I see too. I still believe a large % of our support are of the older generation who don’t hugely engage on social media and who solely want to come and watch some football. The fact we’ve been pretty crap almost all of their lives suggests us being as bad as we are now won’t stop them from coming. I think it’s a great idea with the leaflets and trying to get as much information out there as possible to those without social media, and the club can do nothing about it outside of Boundary Park! My concerns are who will pay for all this, and will enough people partake in handing out such information etc? I’ll be honest and say I simply have so much apathy towards the club at the moment that I cannot be arsed. I may attend some protests but thats about as much as I personally would be willing to do! We also need to be careful not to alienate those who don’t wish to protest and who don’t want to get involved with any of this. Don’t want to see anyone calling those who still choose to attend games. So what you are saying is that you don’t feel enough people really care to get off their arses and partake. which is why a boycott is the best strategy. That is protest without asking people to actively do something. Quite the opposite. All you are asking is that people don’t do something. You are making it easy for people (including the apathetic) and the ‘voice’ is louder as a result Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deyres42 Posted September 4, 2021 Share Posted September 4, 2021 6 minutes ago, Andy b said: So what you are saying is that you don’t feel enough people really care to get off their arses and partake. which is why a boycott is the best strategy. That is protest without asking people to actively do something. Quite the opposite. All you are asking is that people don’t do something. You are making it easy for people (including the apathetic) and the ‘voice’ is louder as a result But are you going to get it to a number that matters, as in below 1000? Possibly as a one off but sustained? Can't see it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
League one forever Posted September 4, 2021 Share Posted September 4, 2021 32 minutes ago, Andy b said: Are people so naive that they don’t see the link between how the club is run, its culture, how staff are treated etc and results on the pitch? Unbelievably. Yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy b Posted September 4, 2021 Share Posted September 4, 2021 4 minutes ago, deyres42 said: But are you going to get it to a number that matters, as in below 1000? Possibly as a one off but sustained? Can't see it. Well perhaps not. But my wider point is that if the thing holding an effective protest back is apathy then boycotting is the approach to adopt as you are asking very little of people and take up should be higher as a result. whether take up is still insufficient to be headline worthy is another matter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlossopLatic Posted September 4, 2021 Share Posted September 4, 2021 1 hour ago, oafcmetty said: We have big problems. I spoke to a few folk today - admittedly mostly 40+, rather than those more likely to be engaged on social media etc - and the overriding sentiment was that they didn't understand why people were protesting, or what they hoped to gain from it. Not much active support for "the regime", but a general lack of support for protests/action in general. I think @Lee Sinnott2 experienced something similar on his travels recently... We'll get nowhere whilst there's a split - those willing to protest/tack action versus those who aren't sure why we're protesting/don't support the protests. Communication is key. Whilst the online stuff has been mostly great, and I include the podcasts in that, we're missing a huge segment of our support - those who aren't digitally engaged, or simply less likely to spend their days and hours thinking of OAFC than some of us! So what do we do? There are a number of options which spring to mind: Most importantly we need to get the messaging right. Something along the lines of: The current regime (including Blitz) are killing the club - turnover of managers, shocking recruitment, annoying sponsors, falling gates, poor treatment of fans, players, staff, etc etc There *are* people out there willing to buy the club We want them to sell/listen to offers Get this message out there: Open letter to the newspapers Leaflet campaign - get volunteers at every turnstile home and away. The club will try and stop it, so then move the campaign to pubs etc Radio phone ins Etc etc Direct action is great, lawful obviously - one thing we haven't yet done (to my knowledge) is getting in touch with all the sponsors of the club we can find, with the messaging as above Thoughts? It's the younger generation who are driving the protests but the older generation are more than aware of this the majority understand it. By the end of the game today the majority of the RRE were on their feet singing we want Abdallah Out. The issue we have and the biggest question people ask is who will buy the club? While I do believe their are people out there who will buy the club people need to see the evidence for themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deyres42 Posted September 4, 2021 Share Posted September 4, 2021 6 minutes ago, GlossopLatic said: It's the younger generation are driving the protests but the older generation are more than aware of this the majority understand it. By the end of the game today the majority of the RRE were on their feet singing we want Abdallah Out. The issue we have and the biggest question people ask is who will buy the club? While I do believe their are people out there who will buy the club people need to see the evidence for themselves. This is it, until they present themselves and their vision then there is nothing to rally around beyond hoping for the best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diego_Sideburns Posted September 4, 2021 Share Posted September 4, 2021 The protest has made it into the Irish Sun. https://www.thesun.ie/sport/football/7551033/oldham-barrow-pitch-invasions-fans-0-3/ Not forgetting the Scottish Sun and even the seldom-read Opera News! https://www.dailyadvent.com/gb/news/1eadcbe2595cb2d2ba7ae57a3c7a5c51-Oldham-Athletic-03-Barrow--Pitch-invasions-fan-sitins-and-agony-for-Latics Also America's Good Word News: https://goodwordnews.com/oldham-0-3-wheelbarrow/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rudemedic Posted September 4, 2021 Share Posted September 4, 2021 32 minutes ago, Diego_Sideburns said: The protest has made it into the Irish Sun. https://www.thesun.ie/sport/football/7551033/oldham-barrow-pitch-invasions-fans-0-3/ Not forgetting the Scottish Sun and even the seldom-read Opera News! https://www.dailyadvent.com/gb/news/1eadcbe2595cb2d2ba7ae57a3c7a5c51-Oldham-Athletic-03-Barrow--Pitch-invasions-fan-sitins-and-agony-for-Latics Also America's Good Word News: https://goodwordnews.com/oldham-0-3-wheelbarrow/ Don’t Buy The Sun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diego_Sideburns Posted September 4, 2021 Share Posted September 4, 2021 21 minutes ago, rudemedic said: Don’t Buy The Sun Surely, that goes without saying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Bosnian Posted September 4, 2021 Share Posted September 4, 2021 2 hours ago, oafcmetty said: We have big problems. I spoke to a few folk today - admittedly mostly 40+, rather than those more likely to be engaged on social media etc - and the overriding sentiment was that they didn't understand why people were protesting, or what they hoped to gain from it. Not much active support for "the regime", but a general lack of support for protests/action in general. I think @Lee Sinnott2 experienced something similar on his travels recently... We'll get nowhere whilst there's a split - those willing to protest/tack action versus those who aren't sure why we're protesting/don't support the protests. Communication is key. Whilst the online stuff has been mostly great, and I include the podcasts in that, we're missing a huge segment of our support - those who aren't digitally engaged, or simply less likely to spend their days and hours thinking of OAFC than some of us! So what do we do? There are a number of options which spring to mind: Most importantly we need to get the messaging right. Something along the lines of: The current regime (including Blitz) are killing the club - turnover of managers, shocking recruitment, annoying sponsors, falling gates, poor treatment of fans, players, staff, etc etc There *are* people out there willing to buy the club We want them to sell/listen to offers Get this message out there: Open letter to the newspapers Leaflet campaign - get volunteers at every turnstile home and away. The club will try and stop it, so then move the campaign to pubs etc Radio phone ins Etc etc Direct action is great, lawful obviously - one thing we haven't yet done (to my knowledge) is getting in touch with all the sponsors of the club we can find, with the messaging as above Thoughts? I remember all the "Lees Out" Posters in the pubs & takeaways back in the 90's Cheap and effective, get some in the Clayton Green, Rifle Range etc for fans to see them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafcmetty Posted September 4, 2021 Share Posted September 4, 2021 8 minutes ago, Barry Bosnian said: I remember all the "Lees Out" Posters in the pubs & takeaways back in the 90's Cheap and effective, get some in the Clayton Green, Rifle Range etc for fans to see them. Precisely. "Stop the Rot" was a great way of phrasing it. Simple, yet meaningful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
latics22 Posted September 4, 2021 Share Posted September 4, 2021 Even if the old fans aren’t fully aware what is going on off the pitch, we’re looking likely to be the first premier league club to get relegated out of the football league. Is that not worth protesting about? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Bosnian Posted September 4, 2021 Share Posted September 4, 2021 1 minute ago, oafcmetty said: Precisely. "Stop the Rot" was a great way of phrasing it. Simple, yet meaningful. Haha "Stop The Rot" that was it, perfect. Someone should knock up some posters, get them printed & laminated it wouldn't cost too much. Pin them up around Royton, Shaw & Chadderton in pubs, takeaways, barbers etc that would help raise awareness for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafcmetty Posted September 4, 2021 Share Posted September 4, 2021 8 minutes ago, Barry Bosnian said: Haha "Stop The Rot" that was it, perfect. Someone should knock up some posters, get them printed & laminated it wouldn't cost too much. Pin them up around Royton, Shaw & Chadderton in pubs, takeaways, barbers etc that would help raise awareness for sure. I'd contribute to a fund for that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peanuts2 Posted September 4, 2021 Share Posted September 4, 2021 "Boycott the Boundary " in tangerine on a blue background with a white script underneat explaining aims goals and links to websites ? flyers posters stickers banners etc ? hits at both ALMO and Blitz in one go Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Bosnian Posted September 4, 2021 Share Posted September 4, 2021 39 minutes ago, peanuts2 said: "Boycott the Boundary " in tangerine on a blue background with a white script underneat explaining aims goals and links to websites ? flyers posters stickers banners etc ? hits at both ALMO and Blitz in one go I prefer "Stop The Rot" but yes, tangerine on blue with bullet points highlighting the many failings of the current regime with links etc at the bottom. Posters, flyers, stickers etc would be great. I'm sure many people would chip in via something like a GoFundMe page. We need to be proactive about raising awareness around the town and a campaign like this would get plenty of backing I'm sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diego_Sideburns Posted September 5, 2021 Share Posted September 5, 2021 9 hours ago, oafcmetty said: Precisely. "Stop the Rot" was a great way of phrasing it. Simple, yet meaningful. In addition to The Sun and Sky, I'm still boycotting JW Lees - "Don't put your mouth where their money is until they put their money where your heart is!". https://www.wsc.co.uk/the-archive/30-Clubs/6109-brewers-droop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
south east latic Posted September 5, 2021 Share Posted September 5, 2021 It is definitely true that a large proportion of our fan base still don’t ‘get it’. On my way in yesterday, a steward was talking about the pitch invasions and a fan replied saying ‘they’re all hooligans’. While there are a few dicks going on (those that go over to the away end), clearly the majority are not hooligans. It was encouraging to hear larger sections of the ground in full anti-Abdallah voice by the end of the game but there’s still a hell of a lot of people for whom the message hasn’t got through to and I agree that an offline campaign is key if we are to have a chance of getting them on board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Bosnian Posted September 5, 2021 Share Posted September 5, 2021 1 hour ago, Diego_Sideburns said: In addition to The Sun and Sky, I'm still boycotting JW Lees - "Don't put your mouth where their money is until they put their money where your heart is!". https://www.wsc.co.uk/the-archive/30-Clubs/6109-brewers-droop "As Oldham Athletic slide towards oblivion, the only people who can do anything about it say and do nothing", pretty much sums up the current situation doesn't it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yarddog73 Posted September 5, 2021 Author Share Posted September 5, 2021 1 hour ago, south east latic said: It is definitely true that a large proportion of our fan base still don’t ‘get it’. On my way in yesterday, a steward was talking about the pitch invasions and a fan replied saying ‘they’re all hooligans’. While there are a few dicks going on (those that go over to the away end), clearly the majority are not hooligans. It was encouraging to hear larger sections of the ground in full anti-Abdallah voice by the end of the game but there’s still a hell of a lot of people for whom the message hasn’t got through to and I agree that an offline campaign is key if we are to have a chance of getting them on board. Some people are just wired up wrong, they probably need their hard drives seizing as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnthonyOAFC Posted September 5, 2021 Share Posted September 5, 2021 I haven't been to Boundary Park for a few years now, but I'll be going to the Hartlepool game. Hopefully a protest of some sort is arranged. Enough is enough now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yarddog73 Posted September 5, 2021 Author Share Posted September 5, 2021 12 hours ago, oafcmetty said: I'd contribute to a fund for that Likewise Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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