Danny Rogers

[Chaddyexile84]

Sounds in a bad way from the Twitter update from the Oldham Times

 

tingling in his arm, cant stretch or make a fist - decision not to sub him at Bradford despite indicating he should come off a stroke of genius it seems and could land someone in hot water 

[LaticMark]

"DANNY Rogers is facing an extended spell on the sidelines after suffering a setback with his neck injury, and is undergoing further investigations. Rogers was initially ruled out for six weeks with the problem he sustained ahead of Latics’ second League Two game of the season."

 

Let's hope he fully recovers.

 

https://www.theoldhamtimes.co.uk/sport/latics/19689573.injury-worry-oldham-athletic-goalkeeper-danny-rogers/

[al_bro]

2 hours ago, Chaddyexile84 said:

Sounds in a bad way from the Twitter update from the Oldham Times

 

tingling in his arm, cant stretch or make a fist - decision not to sub him at Bradford despite indicating he should come off a stroke of genius it seems and could land someone in hot water 

I've no idea, but could it be a trapped nerve?

[Chaddyexile84]

1 minute ago, al_bro said:

I've no idea, but could it be a trapped nerve?

Id like to think it wouldn’t need a specialist to diagnose that but like you I have no idea  

[rudemedic]

1 hour ago, al_bro said:

I've no idea, but could it be a trapped nerve?

Yes but it is clearly more serious than most trapped nerves. 

 

1 hour ago, Chaddyexile84 said:

Id like to think it wouldn’t need a specialist to diagnose that but like you I have no idea  

 

It wouldn’t need a specialist to diagnose that and I’d imagine that was the diagnosis at the time. However, as it hasn’t resolved and Danny is having problems which would impact the quality of life for most people, nevermind a professional goalkeeper, it now needs specialist assessment / treatment. 
 

Fortunately, Salford hospital has lots of specialist neurologists and neurosurgeons, hopefully it won’t need the later. 

[adamoafc]

On 11/3/2021 at 2:25 PM, Chaddyexile84 said:

Sounds in a bad way from the Twitter update from the Oldham Times

 

tingling in his arm, cant stretch or make a fist - decision not to sub him at Bradford despite indicating he should come off a stroke of genius it seems and could land someone in hot water 

Didn’t want to start the game I believe, did the injury in the warm up. Will be interesting if he makes a claim against the club. 

[Pidge]

44 minutes ago, adamoafc said:

Didn’t want to start the game I believe, did the injury in the warm up. Will be interesting if he makes a claim against the club. 

Raises a very important issue that Adam. I wonder if there is anyone in the admin of the club who is experienced enough to recognise the importance of medical indemnity specifically covering sporting activities at Oldham. A normal physiotherapist’s cover does not cover football fully. There needs to be cover for the doctor as the Senior Clinicians which is specific, adequate for the total number of sports session the doctor provides. The level of cover also must reflect loanees from higher leagues where the potential payout for a career ending error could be huge.  
 

Do we think the new club Secretary is aware of what to check for, or even the fact that they need to see documents, do CRB checks etc?

[rudemedic]

8 hours ago, Pidge said:

Raises a very important issue that Adam. I wonder if there is anyone in the admin of the club who is experienced enough to recognise the importance of medical indemnity specifically covering sporting activities at Oldham. A normal physiotherapist’s cover does not cover football fully. There needs to be cover for the doctor as the Senior Clinicians which is specific, adequate for the total number of sports session the doctor provides. The level of cover also must reflect loanees from higher leagues where the potential payout for a career ending error could be huge.  
 

Do we think the new club Secretary is aware of what to check for, or even the fact that they need to see documents, do CRB checks etc?

In a word No.

 

But in all honesty I wouldn’t expect them to. It’s quite complicated.

 

Comes in on a long run…

 

1.) The Bradford game was while we only had a locum club doctor, (for those unaware this means we have someone when we needed them) and while we aren’t required to take a club doctor to any away game, if we had someone in the post they may well have gone to Bradford given the relatively short distance.

 

2.) That being said anyone professionally registered as a health and care professional needs to ensure they keep patient safety in mind, no matter the professional group (doctor, nurse, physio etc). From what I have heard about the incident at Bradford (I wasn’t there) this may not have happened.
2.b.) For those unaware the Chelsea doctor, (can’t remember her name) was able to prove she had been unfairly dismissed because she has a duty of care to the players. So when she went on to the pitch despite the manager, Jose, telling her not to, she did exactly what she was supposed to, being dismissed as an eventual consequence (I think technically she resigned) meant she was unfairly dismissed. 
2.c.) I would expect any footballer who indicates that they aren’t fit to continue to be substituted at the next availability opportunity, if possible, if not I would normally expect them to leave the pitch. Even though we only had a youth team GK on the bench from what I have heard about the incident at Bradford, Rodgers indicated he wasn’t fit to continue, (or even start), but was told to stay on. That worries me significantly, to the point where if I had seen the incident I might have felt duty bound to report it, like I said I wasn’t there, so it would be unfair to pass judgement. 

3. I’m confident people at the club are unaware of the technicalities of employment of health and care professionals. They’ve failed to correctly advertise for the proper qualifications for 2 different professional groups on more than one occasion.

3.b.) At least once they have asked for physios to be registered with the Health Professionals Council, but the actual regulator was the Health and Care Professionals Council at the time (It did used to be the Health Professionals Council but changed at least 5 years ago). 
3.c.) The most recent advert for the Club doctor asked the applicant to be registered with the GMC. Unfortunately that’s insufficient, doctors need to be registered with a licence to practise, to do any clinical work. That changed quite some time ago (2009- when our current club doctors were still in medical school, if that).

 

4.) Having the required indemnity can be a complex issue one that not every doctor understands, so I don’t expect anyone else at a football club to understand it.  Essentially, the government provides doctors with indemnity for their NHS work, but if they do any work outside the NHS, which our club doctors are doing, they need to ensure their indemnity covers that. Doctors only doing NHS work may still indemnity for any cases that are referred to the “independent” Medical Practitioners Tribunal Service, something not every doctor has. 
 

5.) This area is honestly quite complicated and while those employed in recruitment or similar in NHS organisations (including myself) understand the complexities I wouldn’t expect administrators / managers / directors at a football club to understand it. So some of the errors in recent club adverts for the clinical jobs and a lack of understanding of complexities are quite understandable. 
 

I could probably keep going on this area for ages, it’s my area of expertise, I do it for a living, and my Mum is one of the most senior doctors in the country on this topic, but this is long enough as it is. 
 

FWIW if anyone at the club is reading this and would like my assistance the next time you are advertising for a role in the clinical team feel free to send me a message and I’ll try to help.

 

[Chaddyexile84]

6 minutes ago, rudemedic said:

In a word No.

 

But in all honesty I wouldn’t expect them to. It’s quite complicated.

 

Comes in on a long run…

 

1.) The Bradford game was while we only had a locum club doctor, (for those unaware this means we have someone when we needed them) and while we aren’t required to take a club doctor to any away game, if we had someone in the post they may well have gone to Bradford given the relatively short distance.

 

2.) That being said anyone professionally registered as a health and care professional needs to ensure they keep patient safety in mind, no matter the professional group (doctor, nurse, physio etc). From what I have heard about the incident at Bradford (I wasn’t there) this may not have happened.
2.b.) For those unaware the Chelsea doctor, (can’t remember her name) was able to prove she had been unfairly dismissed because she has a duty of care to the players. So when she went on to the pitch despite the manager, Jose, telling her not to, she did exactly what she was supposed to, being dismissed as an eventual consequence (I think technically she resigned) meant she was unfairly dismissed. 
2.c.) I would expect any footballer who indicates that they aren’t fit to continue to be substituted at the next availability opportunity, if possible, if not I would normally expect them to leave the pitch. Even though we only had a youth team GK on the bench from what I have heard about the incident at Bradford, Rodgers indicated he wasn’t fit to continue, (or even start), but was told to stay on. That worries me significantly, to the point where if I had seen the incident I might have felt duty bound to report it, like I said I wasn’t there, so it would be unfair to pass judgement. 

3. I’m confident people at the club are unaware of the technicalities of employment of health and care professionals. They’ve failed to correctly advertise for the proper qualifications for 2 different professional groups on more than one occasion.

3.b.) At least once they have asked for physios to be registered with the Health Professionals Council, but the actual regulator was the Health and Care Professionals Council at the time (It did used to be the Health Professionals Council but changed at least 5 years ago). 
3.c.) The most recent advert for the Club doctor asked the applicant to be registered with the GMC. Unfortunately that’s insufficient, doctors need to be registered with a licence to practise, to do any clinical work. That changed quite some time ago (2009- when our current club doctors were still in medical school, if that).

 

4.) Having the required indemnity can be a complex issue one that not every doctor understands, so I don’t expect anyone else at a football club to understand it.  Essentially, the government provides doctors with indemnity for their NHS work, but if they do any work outside the NHS, which our club doctors are doing, they need to ensure their indemnity covers that. Doctors only doing NHS work may still indemnity for any cases that are referred to the “independent” Medical Practitioners Tribunal Service, something not every doctor has. 
 

5.) This area is honestly quite complicated and while those employed in recruitment or similar in NHS organisations (including myself) understand the complexities I wouldn’t expect administrators / managers / directors at a football club to understand it. So some of the errors in recent club adverts for the clinical jobs and a lack of understanding of complexities are quite understandable. 
 

I could probably keep going on this area for ages, it’s my area of expertise, I do it for a living, and my Mum is one of the most senior doctors in the country on this topic, but this is long enough as it is. 
 

FWIW if anyone at the club is reading this and would like my assistance the next time you are advertising for a role in the clinical team feel free to send me a message and I’ll try to help.

 

Whilst I agree they may not be aware of the responsibilities of health care professionals they are legally required as a minimum to understand their own responsibilities as employers under the Health and Safety at work act 1974 and on the face of it an employee stating they are unfit to work and being made to thereby potentially exasperating an injury would be a failure in their duty of care under the act.

 

Perhaps we should have kept Barry after all 

[rudemedic]

12 minutes ago, Chaddyexile84 said:

Whilst I agree they may not be aware of the responsibilities of health care professionals they are legally required as a minimum to understand their own responsibilities as employers under the Health and Safety at work act 1974 and on the face of it an employee stating they are unfit to work and being made to thereby potentially exasperating an injury would be a failure in their duty of care under the act.

 

Perhaps we should have kept Barry after all 

Well as some of the errors I mentioned were while he was at the club, I doubt he would have made much difference. 

[disjointed]

18 minutes ago, rudemedic said:

In a word No.

 

But in all honesty I wouldn’t expect them to. It’s quite complicated.

 

Comes in on a long run…

 

1.) The Bradford game was while we only had a locum club doctor, (for those unaware this means we have someone when we needed them) and while we aren’t required to take a club doctor to any away game, if we had someone in the post they may well have gone to Bradford given the relatively short distance.

 

2.) That being said anyone professionally registered as a health and care professional needs to ensure they keep patient safety in mind, no matter the professional group (doctor, nurse, physio etc). From what I have heard about the incident at Bradford (I wasn’t there) this may not have happened.
2.b.) For those unaware the Chelsea doctor, (can’t remember her name) was able to prove she had been unfairly dismissed because she has a duty of care to the players. So when she went on to the pitch despite the manager, Jose, telling her not to, she did exactly what she was supposed to, being dismissed as an eventual consequence (I think technically she resigned) meant she was unfairly dismissed. 
2.c.) I would expect any footballer who indicates that they aren’t fit to continue to be substituted at the next availability opportunity, if possible, if not I would normally expect them to leave the pitch. Even though we only had a youth team GK on the bench from what I have heard about the incident at Bradford, Rodgers indicated he wasn’t fit to continue, (or even start), but was told to stay on. That worries me significantly, to the point where if I had seen the incident I might have felt duty bound to report it, like I said I wasn’t there, so it would be unfair to pass judgement. 

3. I’m confident people at the club are unaware of the technicalities of employment of health and care professionals. They’ve failed to correctly advertise for the proper qualifications for 2 different professional groups on more than one occasion.

3.b.) At least once they have asked for physios to be registered with the Health Professionals Council, but the actual regulator was the Health and Care Professionals Council at the time (It did used to be the Health Professionals Council but changed at least 5 years ago). 
3.c.) The most recent advert for the Club doctor asked the applicant to be registered with the GMC. Unfortunately that’s insufficient, doctors need to be registered with a licence to practise, to do any clinical work. That changed quite some time ago (2009- when our current club doctors were still in medical school, if that).

 

4.) Having the required indemnity can be a complex issue one that not every doctor understands, so I don’t expect anyone else at a football club to understand it.  Essentially, the government provides doctors with indemnity for their NHS work, but if they do any work outside the NHS, which our club doctors are doing, they need to ensure their indemnity covers that. Doctors only doing NHS work may still indemnity for any cases that are referred to the “independent” Medical Practitioners Tribunal Service, something not every doctor has. 
 

5.) This area is honestly quite complicated and while those employed in recruitment or similar in NHS organisations (including myself) understand the complexities I wouldn’t expect administrators / managers / directors at a football club to understand it. So some of the errors in recent club adverts for the clinical jobs and a lack of understanding of complexities are quite understandable. 
 

I could probably keep going on this area for ages, it’s my area of expertise, I do it for a living, and my Mum is one of the most senior doctors in the country on this topic, but this is long enough as it is. 
 

FWIW if anyone at the club is reading this and would like my assistance the next time you are advertising for a role in the clinical team feel free to send me a message and I’ll try to help.

 

If they take you up on the offer Ben, I would expect to see you on the board of directors in a few months. 

[rudemedic]

2 minutes ago, disjointed said:

If they take you up on the offer Ben, I would expect to see you on the board of directors in a few months. 

Don’t think I’d last very long turning up to my first meeting with an Abdallah Out T-shirt. 

[Chaddyexile84]

He might not be great but sounds lucky to play at all reading this

 

Oldham Athletic goalkeeper Rogers relieved to be back after fearing retirement | The Oldham Times

 

The neglect from the club is astounding - they could have found themselves in very hot water

[Worcester Owl]

2 hours ago, Chaddyexile84 said:

He might not be great but sounds lucky to play at all reading this

 

Oldham Athletic goalkeeper Rogers relieved to be back after fearing retirement | The Oldham Times

 

The neglect from the club is astounding - they could have found themselves in very hot water

That sounds scary. I've had neck/shoulder problems myself in the past so I feel for him. Fingers crossed he'll be ok from now on.

 

He didn't have too much to do against Rochdale but it was good to see him claiming crosses. His kicking out got better as the game went on as well.

[Wardie]

7 hours ago, Chaddyexile84 said:

He might not be great but sounds lucky to play at all reading this

 

Oldham Athletic goalkeeper Rogers relieved to be back after fearing retirement | The Oldham Times

The neglect from the club is astounding - they could have found themselves in very hot water

The fu**ing incompetent clowns!
They could have ruined the rest of his life.

Good luck to the lad tomorrow and if he does well, keep Leutwiler on the bench.

[Pidge]

9 hours ago, Wardie said:

The fu**ing incompetent clowns!
They could have ruined the rest of his life.

Good luck to the lad tomorrow and if he does well, keep Leutwiler on the bench.

Thats exactly right. These clowns let the experienced team Dr go, at the same time as letting one Physio go at the beginning of the season, and destabilising the other Physio so he was looking for another job.  That is when this lad got injured. 

There idiots in charge have no clue about their responsibilities for the physical and mental health of playing staff, and other staff for that matter.

I suspect they don’t care either.

[rudemedic]

11 hours ago, Pidge said:

Thats exactly right. These clowns let the experienced team Dr go, at the same time as letting one Physio go at the beginning of the season, and destabilising the other Physio so he was looking for another job.  That is when this lad got injured. 

There idiots in charge have no clue about their responsibilities for the physical and mental health of playing staff, and other staff for that matter.

I suspect they don’t care either.

Technically the former club doctor quit, and actually judging by this incident with Rogers he was right to quit too. The moment (presumably) the doctor was prescribing anti-depressants for one of our players due to how the club was treating that player was probably the final nail in their employment.

 

The club put registered professionals in a position where they couldn’t do the right thing, so putting their careers at risk, amongst other things. No employer should ever do that.