BPAS PODCAST: 16th Dec '24, S5E19: Weald Stones

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You don't want every home game to be a 4-0 win do you? We need the odd comeback to keep things interesting and Latics absolutely delivered on that front on Saturday, giving Wealdstone a 0-2 head start for shits and giggles, before doing the business and winning 3-2.

 

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[ShireBlue]

On attendances, the half season tickets don’t kick-in until the York game on Boxing Day.

[JoeP]

After Norwood and Gardner we haven't got a clue who our best penalty taker is.

 

It fits the narrative that Mikey's an "untidy" player that he shouldn't be taking penalties, but maybe he's been banging them in in training?

 

Top scorer, club asset on and off the pitch, right attitude every week - even when he's been dropped, but he ain't ever going to get the recognition from some quarters..

[longtimeblue]

1 minute ago, JoeP said:

After Norwood and Gardner we haven't got a clue who our best penalty taker is.

 

It fits the narrative that Mikey's an "untidy" player that he shouldn't be taking penalties, but maybe he's been banging them in in training?

 

Top scorer, club asset on and off the pitch, right attitude every week - even when he's been dropped, but he ain't ever going to get the recognition from some quarters..

 

He doesn't have the gait of a natural penalty taker.

[disjointed]

10 minutes ago, longtimeblue said:

 

He doesn't have the gait of a natural penalty taker.

I think he is a put it down the middle everytime penalty taker. Nowt wrong with that as long as the keeper dives and it misses his legs. 

[Bobledgersheart]

20 minutes ago, disjointed said:

I think he is a put it down the middle everytime penalty taker. Nowt wrong with that as long as the keeper dives and it misses his legs. 

If he's going down the middle consistently he needs to lift them a bit higher than Saturday then.

[JoeP]

2 hours ago, longtimeblue said:

 

He doesn't have the gait of a natural penalty taker.

 

Probably not.

 

There's a lot of waiting for him fail going on though.  If he draws criticism when he's doing well, I hope he's ready for the pelters coming his way when he has a bad game...

[GlossopLatic]

I think Fondop is a competent enough Penalty taker it's just a case of what the team orders are because it seemed he took a pen against Boston when it should have been Gardner. Their did seem to be abit of discussion on Saturday before Fondop put the ball down and took it. Now on both occasions the ball goes in the back of the net so it's not an issue, but if he goes against team orders then that becomes a problem particularly ifche misses. Either way I'm sure it can be sorted out in the dressing room. 

[Bobledgersheart]

1 hour ago, GlossopLatic said:

I think Fondop is a competent enough Penalty taker it's just a case of what the team orders are because it seemed he took a pen against Boston when it should have been Gardner. Their did seem to be abit of discussion on Saturday before Fondop put the ball down and took it. Now on both occasions the ball goes in the back of the net so it's not an issue, but if he goes against team orders then that becomes a problem particularly ifche misses. Either way I'm sure it can be sorted out in the dressing room. 

Think Stones wanted it for the hat trick otherwise it would have gone to Mike automatically.

I'm not sure I'd want him taking one in the last game of the season if it was crucial.

[Dave_Og]

5 hours ago, longtimeblue said:

 

He doesn't have the gait of a natural penalty taker.

What on earth does that mean?

[LightDN123]

Does Fondop’s goal count ? Penalty’s don’t count so not sure on the rule if you miss but score the rebound. 

[disjointed]

6 minutes ago, LightDN123 said:

Does Fondop’s goal count ? Penalty’s don’t count so not sure on the rule if you miss but score the rebound. 

That counts obviously, the scored penalty is always erased from the records (OWTB rule 31c)

[longtimeblue]

51 minutes ago, Dave_Og said:

What on earth does that mean?

 

Self explanatory

[Dave_Og]

17 minutes ago, longtimeblue said:

 

Self explanatory

Uh huh 

[League one forever]

7 hours ago, JoeP said:

After Norwood and Gardner we haven't got a clue who our best penalty taker is.

 

It fits the narrative that Mikey's an "untidy" player that he shouldn't be taking penalties, but maybe he's been banging them in in training?

 

Top scorer, club asset on and off the pitch, right attitude every week - even when he's been dropped, but he ain't ever going to get the recognition from some quarters..

Andy is well documented on his feelings with Mikey. He has conceded that this season he’s taken him by surprise and stepped up. The thing is that bias is still there; Matt asked who are your penalty takers then if Nors has gone off, and Andy went down a rabbit hole of clean strikers of the ball- (leaving out our top goal scorer) suggesting players that hardly catch and then bringing up Conlon. Which made me smile as he’s shown next nothing of the goal scoring wand of a left peg player we were told was coming. 

Where I did agree with the guest was about Mikey’s composure. He is more than capable of striking the ball, but I do worry when he has time to think. His worst misses have been our most easy chances. Equally some of instinctive strikes are goals only he could score. 
 

Of the regulars I’d go

 

Norwood

Stones

Mikey

 

[daniel]

2 minutes ago, League one forever said:

Andy is well documented on his feelings with Mikey. He has conceded that this season he’s taken him by surprise and stepped up. The thing is that bias is still there; Matt asked who are your penalty takers then if Nors has gone off, and Andy went down a rabbit hole of clean strikers of the ball- (leaving out our top goal scorer) suggesting players that hardly catch and then bringing up Conlon. Which made me smile as he’s shown next nothing of the goal scoring wand of a left peg player we were told was coming. 

Where I did agree with the guest was about Mikey’s composure. He is more than capable of striking the ball, but I do worry when he has time to think. His worst misses have been our most easy chances. Equally some of instinctive strikes are goals only he could score. 
 

Of the regulars I’d go

 

Norwood

Stones

Mikey

 

Based upon zero research i’d say Clucas would be a good option for a penalty. Reckon composure is one of the key attributes of a good penalty taker, and Clucas fits that bill. 

[Frankly Mr Shankly]

4 minutes ago, daniel said:

Based upon zero research i’d say Clucas would be a good option for a penalty. Reckon composure is one of the key attributes of a good penalty taker, and Clucas fits that bill. 

 

Kitching took a penalty against Mickleover. Scuffed it in. Fondop missed a terrible one at Chester didn't he?

 

 

[League one forever]

26 minutes ago, daniel said:

Based upon zero research i’d say Clucas would be a good option for a penalty. Reckon composure is one of the key attributes of a good penalty taker, and Clucas fits that bill. 

Agreed. 

[JoeP]

21 minutes ago, League one forever said:

Andy is well documented on his feelings with Mikey. He has conceded that this season he’s taken him by surprise and stepped up. The thing is that bias is still there; Matt asked who are your penalty takers then if Nors has gone off, and Andy went down a rabbit hole of clean strikers of the ball- (leaving out our top goal scorer) suggesting players that hardly catch and then bringing up Conlon. Which made me smile as he’s shown next nothing of the goal scoring wand of a left peg player we were told was coming. 

Where I did agree with the guest was about Mikey’s composure. He is more than capable of striking the ball, but I do worry when he has time to think. His worst misses have been our most easy chances. Equally some of instinctive strikes are goals only he could score. 
 

Of the regulars I’d go

 

Norwood

Stones

Mikey

 

 

He does miss chances when he has time to think, but scores them too.  Again it fits the narrative. It just seems a really weird thing to bring up, when there's little to complain about from anyone at the moment...and I include Norwood in that!

 

The manager should pick the penalty takers pre-match and there should never be any need for discussion amongst the players. 

[League one forever]

1 minute ago, JoeP said:

 

He does miss chances when he has time to think, but scores them too.  Again it fits the narrative. It just seems a really weird thing to bring up, when there's little to complain about from anyone at the moment...and I include Norwood in that!

 

The manager should pick the penalty takers pre-match and there should never be any need for discussion amongst the players. 

I think it was only brought up because there has been discussion/players claiming it on the pitch- which created the discussion of best taker. 
 

Like you say, should just be decided by Mellon and that’s that. 

[Worcester Owl]

3 hours ago, Dave_Og said:

What on earth does that mean?

I was scratching my head at that one. Presumably @longtimeblue is dead against penalty takers who “stutter” in their run up, even though a lot of them seem pretty successful

[Worcester Owl]

3 hours ago, longtimeblue said:

 

Self explanatory

Er, it’s not.

[jsslatic]

2 hours ago, JoeP said:

The manager should pick the penalty takers pre-match and there should never be any need for discussion amongst the players. 

 

This, and it's why the Boston penalty situation was cringeworthy. 

 

I've no doubt Mellon will have made clear that wasn't acceptable, that we have a pecking order based on what he's seen in training and Mikey was the top taker on the pitch at 4.35pm on Saturday.

[BradKnowles1]

10 hours ago, JoeP said:

 

He does miss chances when he has time to think, but scores them too.  Again it fits the narrative. It just seems a really weird thing to bring up, when there's little to complain about from anyone at the moment...and I include Norwood in that!

 

The manager should pick the penalty takers pre-match and there should never be any need for discussion amongst the players. 

There was no chance Fondop was suppose to take that penalty on Saturday. The penalty happened in front of me in the family stand. Conlon ran to Clucas who was going towards the ball.
 

Fondop now needs to show some discipline and  not get involved in the next penalty. That’s two he should not have been on 

Edited December 17, 2024 by BradKnowles1

[JoeP]

8 minutes ago, BradKnowles1 said:

There was no chance Fondop was suppose to take that penalty on Saturday. The penalty happened in front of me in the family stand. Conlon ran to Clucas who was going towards the ball.
 

Fondop now needs to show some discipline and  not get involved in the next penalty. That’s two he should not have been on 

 

Well then I'm surprised the manager has let it happen twice...