MotM - Braintree (a) - 21/12/24

[Stevie_J]

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[yarddog73]

Thought you could throw Kitching, Sutton, Clucas, Conlan and Stones in the mix for MOM, went for Sutton who I thinks been outstanding in Raglans absence. 

[Hemel latic]

15 hours ago, yarddog73 said:

Thought you could throw Kitching, Sutton, Clucas, Conlan and Stones in the mix for MOM, went for Sutton who I thinks been outstanding in Raglans absence. 

The finest compliment I can pay Will is that we didn't miss Charlie Raglan yesterday.

[daniel]

16 minutes ago, Hemel latic said:

The finest compliment I can pay Will is that we didn't miss Charlie Raglan yesterday.

After about 8 minutes yesterday I commented on how much we missed Raglan…… Then from there on in Will got to grips with Akinde and was excellent, and I agree we didn’t miss Raglan. 

[TheBigDog]

1 hour ago, JoeP said:

 

Interesting that some have decided it was a bad miss by Fondop, rather than a decent save by their 'keeper...

Should have scored though - hit straight at the keeper.

[JoeP]

8 minutes ago, TheBigDog said:

Should have scored though - hit straight at the keeper.

 

Good chance, but it looked like the 'keeper spread himself well to narrow the angle.  Mikey hit it low, hit it hard, hit it on target...ticked most of the boxes required in that situation, but sometimes you've just got to say the opposition did well.

[Bobledgersheart]

2 minutes ago, JoeP said:

 

Good chance, but it looked like the 'keeper spread himself well to narrow the angle.  Mikey hit it low, hit it hard, hit it on target...ticked most of the boxes required in that situation, but sometimes you've just got to say the opposition did well.

If you can't beat the goalie and a defender on the line from 8 yards out with your best foot then it's a bad miss, nearly as bad as last week's penalty.

Stones, Norwood or Garner would have buried it.

[JoeP]

1 minute ago, Bobledgersheart said:

If you can't beat the goalie and a defender on the line from 8 yards out with your best foot then it's a bad miss, nearly as bad as last week's penalty.

Stones, Norwood or Garner would have buried it.

 

If my Aunty had bollocks...

 

Those three probably wouldn't have scored a lot of the goals he (our top-scorer..) has scored.

 

Some people are itching for him to fail...

[ceskylatic]

3 minutes ago, JoeP said:

 

If my Aunty had bollocks...

 

Those three probably wouldn't have scored a lot of the goals he (our top-scorer..) has scored.

 

Some people are itching for him to fail...

And others will defend him to the hilt, come what may.

[JoeP]

5 minutes ago, ceskylatic said:

And others will defend him to the hilt, come what may.

 

Aye.  Which is worse - defending a player who's probably been one of our success stories of the season or constantly finding fault with that same player because it fits a narrative?

[ceskylatic]

14 minutes ago, JoeP said:

 

Aye.  Which is worse - defending a player who's probably been one of our success stories of the season or constantly finding fault with that same player because it fits a narrative?

Just putting it out there for balance. I’m somewhere in between with him. I like Mikey and recognise his attributes and value to the team, and can also see his limitations having seen him miss some stinkers. 

[LightDN123]

Mikey is doing well as the third choice striker. His constant misses highlight that is what he should be used as and he is effective at it. 
 

Look at how many more goals we are scoring now we have Norwood and Stones starting consistently. 

[PlayItLivo]

Meh, we all know Fondop isn’t a super clinical finisher. That’s not his strength. If it was, then along with his other attributes, he’d be playing in League One minimum. 

 

 

 

 

[Bobledgersheart]

2 hours ago, JoeP said:

 

If my Aunty had bollocks...

 

Those three probably wouldn't have scored a lot of the goals he (our top-scorer..) has scored.

 

Some people are itching for him to fail...

You seem to think everyhing is black and white, it isn't.

Pointing out that he should have scored yesterday doesn't mean he shouldn't be in our squad or shouldn't start games on occasions just that the two strikers that started yesterday are in front of him for a reason.

Hope he does well the rest of the season but if Stones goes back think we require a loanee to replace him as we need to get the best out of Norwood if we want to avoid the play-offs ! 

[yarddog73]

1 hour ago, JoeP said:

 

Aye.  Which is worse - defending a player who's probably been one of our success stories of the season or constantly finding fault with that same player because it fits a narrative?

It was a bad miss and one he should have scored, making out it was a good save is just bollocks, if he puts it anywhere else it goes in but he hit it straight at the keeper as he did the previous week but got away with it. He scores a few he has no right to but misses some absolute sitters, it doesn't mean we shouldn't be able to point them out, stop being so precious about it.

[Pidge]

6 hours ago, Bobledgersheart said:

If you can't beat the goalie and a defender on the line from 8 yards out with your best foot then it's a bad miss, nearly as bad as last week's penalty.

Stones, Norwood or Garner would have buried it.

Technically a miss is when you miss the target. Fondup didn’t miss. It was blocked/saved.  To score he would have to have lifted the ball without sending it over (that would have been a miss). Obviously he “could have scored” but he didn’t miss.  
 

So many “fans” get bent out of shape because our players don’t perform like a Premier League player.  You could legitimately say Moh Salah should have scored that, because he usually does ( and this is recognised by his pay packet). However Fondup plays in the National League. We expect him to hit the target because he is a professional footballer, but do we really EXPEXT him to lift it into the top corner with a first time shot? 

[Pidge]

5 hours ago, LightDN123 said:

Mikey is doing well as the third choice striker. His constant misses highlight that is what he should be used as and he is effective at it. 
 

Look at how many more goals we are scoring now we have Norwood and Stones starting consistently. 

Constant misses???

 

So Norwood and Stones scoring has nothing to do with Clucas playing and the result being our whole midfield performing?

[Frankly Mr Shankly]

6 hours ago, JoeP said:

 

Aye.  Which is worse - defending a player who's probably been one of our success stories of the season or constantly finding fault with that same player because it fits a narrative?

 

Out of interest Joe, what do you think our best strikeforce is, with all strikers fit and available?

[Pidge]

Presently in the Prem, table of big chances missed.

1. Ollie Watkins       - 15

2.Erling Haaland.    - 13

3.Moh Salah.           - 10

 

[LightDN123]

12 minutes ago, Pidge said:

Constant misses???

 

So Norwood and Stones scoring has nothing to do with Clucas playing and the result being our whole midfield performing?

He consistently misses easy chances that is a fact. 

[LightDN123]

Doesn’t mean he isn’t a useful player for us. But if he has to think he crumbles 

[JoeP]

32 minutes ago, Frankly Mr Shankly said:

 

Out of interest Joe, what do you think our best strikeforce is, with all strikers fit and available?

 

Currently it's hard to argue against Norwood and Stones.  But Fondop isn't far behind - he's our top goal-scorer (which was the only justification you could argue for playing Norwood for a lot of last season...) and can consider himself unluvky to have been dropped.

 

We should be lauding the fact we've got so many options up front, rather than picking holes in Fondop.  Does he miss chances that our other strikers would score? Yes.  Does he also score goals that our other strikers wouldn't? Also yes. The other two ahead of him also miss chances (e.g. Norwood at Orient), but they don't get half the stick Mikey does when he does it.

 

Edited December 22, 2024 by JoeP

[Bobledgersheart]

1 hour ago, Pidge said:

Technically a miss is when you miss the target. Fondup didn’t miss. It was blocked/saved.  To score he would have to have lifted the ball without sending it over (that would have been a miss). Obviously he “could have scored” but he didn’t miss.  
 

So many “fans” get bent out of shape because our players don’t perform like a Premier League player.  You could legitimately say Moh Salah should have scored that, because he usually does ( and this is recognised by his pay packet). However Fondup plays in the National League. We expect him to hit the target because he is a professional footballer, but do we really EXPEXT him to lift it into the top corner with a first time shot? 

Point taken. 

The argument was it was a "good save", whereas I thought he should have scored, and not necessarily in the "top corner".

As I've said previously I like Mikey and all he brings to the team but he does "fail to convert" quite a few relatively easy chances.