holden24

I may become very unpopular here, but after seeing all the TV reports, and reading most newspaper reports, it was clear to me that the initial cause of the disaster was down to Liverpool fans arriving late, and trying to break down a gate in order to get in. The policeman in charge outside the ground was afraid that if the gate gave way people would be crushed. He therefore gave the order to open the gate. All the fans then ran to the tunnel in front of them. The outcome of which we all know. The police inside the ground then acted like complete imbeciles.

The best course of action would have been for the policeman in charge outside to tell the police inside to get the kickoff delayed for 1/2 an hour. The fans outside may then have calmed down, and queued up in an orderly way (perhaps). The disaster would then have been avoided.

The only people I can blame for this disaster were the Liverpool fans outside the ground, not the police. However the police were to blame by badly handling the situation. Also to blame was the way the terraces were penned and fenced. This was probably done on police advice, but many other grounds at the time were the same.

Very unpopular, im sure if it happened at oldham you wouldnt " let it go". We learn by our mistakes, if we let the Tories and state cover up they will do it again. They came for the scousers, i wasnt a scouser, so i did nothing. What i hope comes out is the absolute hatred Thatcher had for

football fans, please dont forget that. Im really interested in the discussions that went on in that Tory cabinet, Margaret Thatcher believed in the destruction of working class cohesion, anything that binded people together

Whilst that paper has lost a lot of sales, it is untrue to say or imply they all boyoct it.

Can anyone give me a sun football promotion token they have spare for tonights game. Will cone grab it but need before 1pm?!?!! Pleaseeeee

Absolute disgrace this, the paper is absolute scum, buy the tickets at the turnstile! Whatever people think of scousers to a man and woman they

refuse to buy this rag- shame on you. The impact their lies had on the victims is unacceptable and every football fan should boycott this toilet paper.

World Cup win.

I cant believe that some people on here would rather see a bunch of millionaires win rather than their bread and butter football!

Sat with my daughter waiting for a sight of her beloved 'chi chi', but no luck, it was a case of breakfast tv no marks! You are a hero in our house anyway Chaddy.

didn't find that funny , pope john paul was a decent person loved by everone, all over the world including israel

Decent person loved by everyone- Self declared prophet whose organisation represented fear, hate, superstition and violence all over

europe for the last few hundred years. Ask Eire?

Like a few lines in tomorrows chip wrapper are going to make me change my mind .

 

CT - WOS.

 

KtF,

 

Derek.

Wilson you are a k**b. Save your time lambasting the likes of beavers and let us have a bit o' peace and quiet. This Taylor issue shows you know f**k all bout football. Do one if you cant talk sense.

Rose tinted specs time!!

Sheridan can do no wrong, we beat everton - all that garbage.

He can not carry on the way he is going, is he active in trying to get anyone in??

Puting players in like Allessandra and Smalley in with performances like the first half on Sat will damage them because majority of performances at home have been below par all season

Get a grip Sheridan and dont rely on the kids, get in experience for now.

I'll probably get slated but never mind eh? We beat Everton FFS!!!!

I bet youre the same person moaning at foreign premiersh=t players taking the place of home grown players. Weve got for the first time a couple of local lads showing great promise- give em their heads i say. Shez's style of football will be the basis of success ive no doubt.

adios amigos.

some of the :censored:te ive just read here make me think why bother on here any more.

latics forever...through thick and thin...mmmm whats the point to some here?

horray to the moaners ...see you next year in the fa cup again eh...when it suits you eh.

to the admin here...

sorry guys..you've created an unintentional monster.

see you in the pubs when we meet.

farewell+goodnight.

I totally agree with thee, fcukin dreamers these people who think with the squad weve got were gonna be challenging the top 2. There is no manager who could do better than Shez at the moment. Simple as that. That fecker who sat behind shez and decides his tactics are crap, who the are you? In fact Shez should invite him down and let him take training and his obvious superior voice would do the trick with our goal scoring drought. Maybe its Capello's lovely anglo vowels you would like eh.

I first began watching football in 1986, the year of the Challenger disaster, Andy and Fergie's wedding and the year we went down under to win the Ashes. It was also the year I watched my first full game, Liverpool v Everton - The FA Cup Final, later that year I marvelled at Maradona's skills (and fist) single handedly (touche) winning the Argies the world cup in Mexico. Gary Lineker was my new hero, along with Neville Southall and Peter Shilton (with me being a goalie).

 

In November of that year after a great deal of whigeing and mithering I convinced my owd fella to take me to my first live game, Latics v Palace, we won 1-0 and from then on I was hooked. Over the years I have seen pretty much everything, Promotion, Relegation (twice), A cup final, Semi-Finals, Giant Killings (for and against), managers come and go, in short the sublime, the good, the bad, the ridiculous and downright crap!

 

In 1992 Sky's revolution dawned and for me it is clear to see that this bloodless coup has seen the slow death of the game I love. On the plus side we have shiny new grounds and some of the best foreign players in the world gracing our shores. The football League is more competitive than ever, yet many of the players have forgotten just what a great and noble game football is. Nowadays the players want everything at once and are only in the game for fame and money. Very few, play for the grassroots love of the game. This psyche is even dripfeeding its way down into kids football. Everything the so called 'superstars' do is copied by youngsters including abusing referees, questioning every decison and a lack of respect for their opponents. More worryingly is the big time attitude of if i'm not good enough for United, Chelsea etc.. i'm quitting and believe me this happens on a massive scale. Park football is dying a slow lingering death in our town and all over the country as SKY deliberately schedules lunchtime games to coincide with traditional kick off times. In fact our national team just couldn't be arsed in putting in the necessary effort to qualify from a very average group. Money is king in football and sooner or later the whole damn house of cards will come crashing down.

 

What i'm getting at is the fact even third rate players have the attitude that they are too good to actually go and play for teams lower down the leagues. they are content to earn their money for very little application. If we cannot improve the product on the pitch for the real fans lower down the leagues, then why the hell do we bother? We all need something to aspire to, a right to cling on to dreams of promotion or one day it will all fall into place. At the moment despite the possible realisation of shiny new grounds if players don't want to be part of that what hope do we or other small clubs have?

 

I'm feeling very disillusioned tonight, perhaps even weary of having my hopes dashed time and time again. Every time you think this club is going places circumstances transpire to make it take three steps back. I bleed blue and will cheer myself hoarse tomorrow as I do every week but the club I identify myself with is slowly losing its attraction, a team of new players EVERY season is not what I want to see. I want progress to be built on. Sadly making do, is not enough for me anymore. In 2003 my club nearly died, in 2008 on the field in terms of League position we are no better off. In fact if you go back to January 1998 we are no better.

 

As usual many will reply with go and support United etc... well I'd rather stop watching football altogether. Its not just Latics and our continued footballing stagnation that grates its the state of the game in general that feeds my disillusionment. Over the last couple of years I have further established my love of cricket and Rugby League, two sports where the players give their all for the LOVE of the game, not so they can drive flash cars, or hang out with young girls who put out at the first sign of a £50 note. Football for me is in a coma and this summer i'm going to have a lot of thinking to do as to whether I pull the plug completely, as someone who lives for the game i'm gutted to say that.........

I think sometimes things can be overstated. How many times did Joe Royle have to sell his best players in the early Eighties? Unfortunetly football is a business

and i dont like it as much as the next man but i enjoy watching latics and i feel boredom for the manure. No debate needed. If youre a believer you dont need to explain.

Theres been some greats over the years, both latics and visitors- bobby johnston, bobby collins, st john,hunt,weah,vialli,zola,cantana,robson,rush,ritchie,palmer,fowler,giggs and Sheridan. A Ritchie hat-trick against wolves i remember as a faultless and stunning 90 mins, giggs 92ish 6-3 was class, weah in that friendly in 2000- the best touch of any footballer id seen. But i remember warhurst '90 against oxford 4-1 i think, he could have beat anybody in the world that night- the best (ricky h wasnt bad either that night

He's hardly the most cheerfull of souls is he!!! Smile mr sheridan its all ok!!

Clough said of him at Forest-"i just couldnt get him to smile, he wasn't our kind of player so i moved him on." My opinion is that Lampard isn't fit to lace Sheridens boots, a finer midfield player i haven't seen in England! Cloughy didnt make too many mistakes at forest but shez was the biggest.

Honestly think that's the worst draw we could have got!

Honesty is not your best policy then is it. Leave the hard ties to the quarter finals fella, were not going to beat premier teams in every round are we. Get your feet on the ground and your head out of Goodison dream land.

crap draw gutted

 

on the other hand...hopefully get a resonable turn out...and good chance of going through...

I dont quite understand how you can be gutted, this is a winnable tie and one step closer the final. More rounds of the cup means more money and more confidence, we dont want Portsmonth away do we. If we keep getting a favourable draw then this team is capable of going far. Gutted my arse, well take manure in semi then.

Bertrand is a loss I thought we would get him back

Please stop this Bertrand couldnt pass water. He was so over rated, when under pressure his passing was clumsy at best.

Cardiff away also. I believe he's as fat as Santa now though. Maybe the original poster can confirm?

He wouldnt be League 1 fitness level but not as bad as he has been in the few seasons hes played at Portadown. He complained that he went over for a match recently and nobody in the players lounge would talk to him, only Dux bothered, thats cos he played for portadowns rivals Glenavon a couple of years ago. Apparently his ex-team mate Gary Hamilton(Northern Ireland) was offered terms last year by latics and he turned them down. That didnt come from Miskelly though.

I bumped into Miskelly in bar in Northern Ireland and he turned in a performance worse than the play-off semi. He hated the fans, didnt rate Eyres and his best mate was Tippy! What an idiot, my jaw dropped when he said eyresy just had a left foot. He said the best player at the club was Josh Low and didnt like Andy Ritchie. In diplomatic terms i said "you didnt have the best game against QPR did you?" Portadown my arse.

Name?

Gary Rowell

Location?

Ireland

How Long Supporting the Tics?

20 years

Best away match you've been to?

Brighton

All Time Greatest Player?

Rick Holden

Biggest Rivals (in your eyes)?

Mossley