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46 minutes ago, yarddog73 said:

I imagine with the way Mellon plays he'll want most of it done for the first day of training so that nobody is lagging behind. I thought we did our business a bit later than some last season, Norwood in particular just turned up towards the end of pre season. Like you say though it shouldn't matter a great deal and it's far more important we get the right players in this time around. 

Optimising the ins relies on securing the outs. That means late business I suspect 

We ‘got our business done early’ last summer. That went well.

no interest in getting our business done early for the sake of it. I have no reason to believe it makes one jot of difference at this level 

Haven’t had a season ticket for 30 years.
 

Last season, and to some degree the season before, were anomalies in that there was no correlation between quality of product and sales (the frank effect).
 

That effect (on crowds) won’t last another season as I have no doubt season ticket sales will be showing.
 

However, the last couple of seasons have proved that our fan base is there to be had (I previously wasn’t convinced of that).
 

But no business can expect its customers to shell out when the product is poor.

The new season is a reset in that regard and we will see a more honest correlation between product quality and number of paying punters.

Over to you Royle, Mickey et al 

3 hours ago, Longlostfan said:

This.

 

CEO is the senior operational manager. I'd expect him to constructively challenge his staff. Why do you want to do X?, what benefit does it bring? What does it cost?, what are the downsides?

 

I'd expect a degree of strategic workforce planning too. What formations/ style do we aspire to play?

How do the players we have fit in to that system?

Who is surplus?, who has potential to develop? How do we develop them?

What do we need to recruit?

 

It doesn't take a football genius to see we had an oversized and unbalanced squad.

 

Let’s see who is on the books at the beginning of July before we get too excited about the third season of our non league apprenticeship.

It would appear most on here believe everything is binary. Recruitment is delegated and therefore those at the top of the business do not have any control over recruitment and it’s not their fault if it goes wrong. As an example.

That’s obviously not the way any business (including this one) is run 

2 minutes ago, nzlatic said:

They haven’t sanctioned spending on shite. They’ve sanctioned spending on players the recruitment team deemed to be the right players at the time. Any faults with that process should lie entirely with the recruitment team. DR oversees them so it’s his job to work with them and identify what went wrong so mistakes don’t get repeated in the future, not to start making decisions on whether he thinks prospective signings are good enough or not. 

Also known as sanctioning spending on shite

I’ve no issue with Darren Royle and the board overall

1 hour ago, mcfluff1985 said:

Have you watched the interview? 

You seem really interested in my opinion on everything. Am honoured to be asked so many questions, I really am. It’s gives me a warm fuzzy feeling 

1 hour ago, mcfluff1985 said:

Have you watched the interview? 

Yes. 
 

When I delegate decisions at work the buck still stops with me.

its disapointing that the club has sanctioned do much spending on shite. The board, including DR, have a level of responsibility for that. 
 

That’s my opinion on how businesses are run. I don’t believe football clubs are any different in that regard 

6 hours ago, Whitts said:

I would agree that a good CEO is responsible for running the club on a sound financial footing. I would suggest progress on the pitch is mainly down to the manager and his coaching team, not DR.  DR and Rothwells should be applauded for providing funds and I would not question their business acumen.  Without them we would not have a club. 

Who signs players? 

22 minutes ago, Whitts said:

I would agree that a good CEO is responsible for running the club on a sound financial footing. I would suggest progress on the pitch is mainly down to the manager and his coaching team, not DR.  DR and Rothwells should be applauded for providing funds and I would not question their business acumen.  Without them we would not have a club. 

Always question. It’s healthy. 

21 minutes ago, mcfluff1985 said:

You said he should be judged on whether he is a good CEO, so what does that look like?

 

You also said concerning spent so much on shit players. Who is responsible for that?

Sustainable progress on the pitch and a sound financial footing would represent a ceo doing a good job. 

58 minutes ago, mcfluff1985 said:

You've still, not once, told us what the CEO does and is responsible for

I believe he oversees the running of the football club and all its component parts. Forgive me if that’s wrong.

as I say, I am not making any judgement on him as CEO. 

6 minutes ago, True Tic said:

True, but surely you must be grateful for what has done to get the club on its feet again. 

Absolutely. And am not saying he isn’t a good ceo. But there is little room for sentiment and he should be judged on his performance as ceo in considering whether he is a good ceo not what he did to save the club. Important not to conflate the two issues.

the fact that we have blown so much money on shit players concerns me in this regard.  

8 minutes ago, True Tic said:

Absolutely, DR is the one who knocked on Frank’s door and asked the question of investment. He will always have my respect for that. 

Doesn’t mean he is a good ceo. 

3 hours ago, Frankly Mr Shankly said:

 

Been banging this drum since we dropped into non-league. Midfield quality wins you divisions. Fucking hell, Chesterfield had Grimes at the back and still pissed the league. 

Conlon is supposed to be that. Problem is he plays alongside sheron and McGahey most of the time. Maybe Hammond will step up but he has got a long way to go. Hopefully see a different lundstrum next season. 

5 minutes ago, JoeP said:

 

 

And I'll reply what I like. 

 

"Big Boy!"

 

 

I’d be pleased to receive your response and invite open debate in any form. Please forgive me if I implied otherwise. 

4 minutes ago, JoeP said:

 

Burnley?

 

You seem to be trying too hard to find reasons why we can't be successful.  Lets deal with what we can control first.

You control nothing. I also control nothing. 
 

it’s an observation on a message board and a trend I find to be of interest. It’s not even about Latics. 
 

I will post what I like big boy.
 

Ok? Great 

12 minutes ago, PeteG said:

With regards to the Royle interview, it would have been nice to hear what mistakes the board owned and also the most important part was completely missed out regarding budget which Mellon said was used up. He could have put a lot of fans at ease by saying the budget would remain the same for the forthcoming season but it obviously needed some wheeling and dealing which most people would understand. A lot of sound bites but nothing really of substance imo.

It would have been nice yes.

i suggest you listen to what he doesn’t say as much as what he does say. 
 

11 minutes ago, PeteG said:

Wigan? Leicester? I agree with what you are referring to, that southern based clubs seem to be attractive from an investment point of view but it's not impossible. Pointless us even considering anything further than getting back in the EFL at this point though.

It’s not impossible.

Wigan are an exception

leicester briefly disrupted the top of the prem but for the vast majority of seasons over the last 20 years have been somewhere close to their natural level. 
 

It’s also no coincidence that in the context of greater Manchester we see alty and Stockport making good progress where as over in north Manchester….

51 minutes ago, Lags said:

 

Agreed there,  if we ever get up to the dizzy heights of the championship we certainly will be punching. That said I can remember very well Latics being the longest serving 2nd division club by a long long way back in the day. 

Currently I take inspiration and hopes from Luton Town who I hope we can mirror.

All the clubs that have challenged the status quo at the top in the last 15 years are southern. Luton, Bournemouth, Brighton, Brentford. It’s no coincidence 

Stability in the playing squad is not an end in itself. 
 

Not changing personnel because of a belief that stability will achieve the end sought is the act of a mad man 

Massive season coming up. No doubt about it. 

On 5/4/2024 at 4:06 PM, Dave_Og said:

Just attention seeking 

I have a lot better things to do than attention seek on an Oldham message board. This is my opinion. I make no apologies for that. Yes it’s a negative perspective but it’s my view and it’s how I read the situation. 

now go and have a wank over that draw against chesterfield. 

if you are not ok with my holding a view, then you have a problem. 

with thanks 

Call me negative but I don’t see a way back for the club.

the Rothwells don’t have the cash to get us out of this league with any level of certainty. Lots of things will need to come together for it to happen and I expect to be here in 4 years time. May be shorter if the stars align, but that’s a long shot.

from there we won’t establish ourselves as anything better than lower half l2 and will probably drop down again. 
 

I think this is our level now and anything above that will be fleeting appearance when we are punching above our weight briefly. 
 

in short, top half NL is our baseline. 

47 minutes ago, Dave_Og said:

How's that view that Scunthorpe will be better placed than us next season for getting back into league football going?

joe nuttall being shite and any one thinking otherwise being a pork pie short of picnic ain’t a prediction 

On 4/27/2024 at 9:46 AM, Monty Burns said:

yeah l don't believe them. l'd also be willing to give Nuttall another chance but boo boys probs not be havin that.

Wow. I mean I want what you are on. If a boo boy is someone who doesn’t want absolutely shite players - like Joe Nuttall - in our team then I am life long member of the boo boys