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You seriously don't want to contemplate hitting rock bottom and starting again, non league football is soul destroying, seeing the away end empty week after week and travelling to places like Brackley, Eastleigh and Spennymoor is something I wouldn't recommend to anyone,  you don't know how good league football is until you lose it.

As a County fan with a genuine soft spot for Latics I worry for you, I know that wasn't your strongest 11 but I expected to see more individual quality even if it's too early to see a cohesive unit, Stott was excellent for us albeit at a lower level but he looked lost yesterday. Then again I've seen us have great pre-seasons in the past and call apart when the real business starts, anyway good luck and KTF.

I think you need to send Stott back to County for a season.

11 hours ago, Magic Mikey said:

Without checking, I think Stockport are still getting gates similar to when they were in the football league. We are already pretty much down to the hard core. If we can get in the top third playing decent football, I would expect home fans to increase. Away followings will be well down though. A combination of geography and the relative size of the club's. I expect Forest Green Vegetarians to bring fewer than Dogdale.

Edit: hard core minus two

When we dropped out of the league we averaged 4700 and I'd say we're about 1000 less now, the last couple of games saw over 6000 in attendance so we've managed to hold up well but it's been 8 years non league now. I reckon your crowds will hold up because like us it's what you do on a Saturday, no matter how much crap you're dealt you'll take it on the chin because it's your club, I also think it could be a blessing in disguise as you'd gone stale in that division. Dropping down could see you regenerate and if you go back up you'll have some momentum which you've not had for years, anyway good luck.

If Blyth makes you shudder you've never been to Brackley, Spennymoor or North Ferriby, it's pure glamour down here.

He's been good for us after a shaky start, it's a real shame with the play offs coming up and he was buzzing after the win at Blyth when I spoke to him in Blyth's social club, good luck to the lad.

2 hours ago, opinions4u said:

 

Your lad Oswell at Stockport looks sharp in front of goal BP.

Really? I've seen every game he's played at County and while he's got a bit of pace he's been wasteful with his final ball, I do like his attitude though as he keeps on plugging away.

Ha, Caruso, the old journalistic/media trick of quoting something out of context. Let me correct that for you, the full sentence. "What I believe to be foolhardy is believing the principle that a group of different cultures, different languages and different economies can coexist under an unanswerable bureaucratic regime who’s only worry seems to be keeping the substantial gravy train on the rails." A different meaning to what you inferred. Secondly, There has been no meeting us more than half way with the English language by the EU. There has been a natural global progression towards English without any sort of effort or persuasion by us over the last few decades. English may well be a language of communication in the Brussels corridors but not in Parliament and Commissions.

 

I was already financially and politically aware of many of the problems but I spent 3 months pre-Brexit reading everything I could on the subject. 'facts' on Remain were, quite naturally, few and far between. I made my mind up 6 weeks ago and I'm not about to change it yet.

 

Apart from those points you don't appear to have a problem with the other 'facts'.

I don't really want to go through all of your "facts" one by one but I thought it right to pick up on those particular points, the different cultures are irrelevant as we do have shared values such as human rights and democracy, I agree with you about the gravy train aspect and that could be fixed without us leaving and swapping the EU gravy train for the home grown version. As for language I was merely pointing out that it was not the issue you were making it out to be.

It is a good post but his points clearly show that he's someone on the other side who doesn't want to listen, like most of us he's made his mind up and will continue make the case for brexit as the country goes into serious decline.

I find it a bit sad that he can't see how different cultures can co-exist, he also mentions different languages being unable to co-exist, well the rest of Europe appear to have met us more than half way on that one.

The one thing this thread has taught me is that the original poll with the majority in favour of remain shows that the posters on here are more intelligent than the average Oldhamer so I think congratulations are in order.

Definitely not but true all the same

 

 

 

Not borne out by the posts on this site.

 

Definitely not but true all the same.

This is an excellent piece which sums up the mess quite well.

http://www.politics.co.uk/blogs/2016/07/14/everything-you-need-to-know-about-theresa-may-s-brexit

How well are Accrington doing on the crowds they get, amazing really.

They're a great example of what can be achieved on small gates, it gives us all hope.

It's interesting how the voting has swayed towards 'in' since the Obama intervention.

I've always wanted to stay in, I'd love to see us being a lot more enthusiastic and take a leading role rather than constantly having hissy fits about everything.

Affluence? Peace/stability? Workers rights? A huge market? Cheap houses in France and Spain? The ability to retire in the sun? Cheap labour from Poland, giving our economy a massive boost?

 

We went in because the EEC was growing rapidly and we were being left behind. The Commonwealth didn't work. Our economy was going backwards. We've gained massively.

Everyone with any credibility wants us to remain in for all those things you've mentioned, Gove and Johnson are just positioning themselves for Cameron's job if we end up voting out, it's a gamble but one of them will get it if the outers win.

In the early 80s when we were in one of our frequent recessions I along with thousands of others went to work on German building sites, I find it pretty distasteful that people are now objecting to East Europeans doing the same here.

That 45% also includes exports we send outside the EU via Rotterdam.

Are you sure about that? Don't forget that we are in a much stronger position trading with the rest of the world as part of the EU, the time we'll spend renegotiating deals from a weaker position will see us go into a recession.

Tragic news, I always enjoyed chatting with Kenny, R.I. P mate.

I feel the same way, I voted for "in" and I don't think anything is going to make me change my mind. But if the "out" wins I wouldn't be unduly worried about what that means in the future.

I'll be gutted if we vote out even though I expect it and I really think it would plunge the country into crisis, we are borrowing at record rates but our stability ensures we can borrow at good rates, leaving the EU would create far too much uncertainty and we'd be seen as a risk by lenders, this would in my opinion lead to a downward spiral. The EU is for all its faults a powerful set up with huge influence, I'd like to see us right at the heart of it setting the agenda.

Norway though has the biggest oil wealth fund in the world, a large percentage of its workforce is employed by the state off the back of this.

Norway also pay into the EU but have no say in how things are done.

A lot of the points to stay being put to younger voters pretend that nothing positive in the world would exist without the EU. Freedom of movement for example. Do Americans or Japanese tourists find it hard to go to Paris or Rome or Crete on holiday? For that matter is it hard now for us to go to Egypt or Estonia?

It's easy to go on holiday anywhere but our kids might want to live and work in Hamburg, Paris or Madrid, freedom of movement is something we should hold on to, the immigration problems that occurred in Oldham among other places had more to do with our commonwealth than the EU.

I opened this thread expecting a load of ignorant bull:censored: (no offence) but I've been impressed by the points made, it's been a good read. Personally I'm voting to remain as I want our kids and grandkids to have the same opportunities to live and work across the continent as every other European, I also fear a Brexit (stupid word) would lead to so much uncertainty that people will move their money into more secure places within the EU, I just don't see anything to gain by pulling out of the world's biggest trading block where we export 51% of our goods to.

Back to winning against Lowestoft today?

I'd like to think so but I've learnt to just expect the worst, good to see you guys hitting form at the right time, having said that I'm not sure there's really a wrong time but you know what I mean.

It's a shame it's a joke, Spamella would be a superb mascot.

Rochdale ?

I'd say Oldham has far more going for it than Burnley or Crewe, just two examples that spring to mind.

I like Oldham and it's definitely on the up with M&S on the way and the tram has also improved the town, it also looks great in the summer with it's floral displays. The poverty in certain parts is obvious and I wouldn't want to play it down but there are far worse places to be.