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For the people wanting to give him time, fully appreciate your opinion but…

 

Can you give me some glimmer of hope from what you’ve seen in the last two months that shows he deserves time? I can’t see anything, from the style of play to the way he talks about performances in his interviews. I get nothing, absolutely nothing in terms of confidence that he is in any way a football manager.
 

So my question is what do you see that makes you think he deserves time? Or is it just the fact that we need stability and he might come good.  

So 2 seasons where he clearly was good enough isn’t proof, but 4 games is? Like your logic ?

 

Sheridan made mistakes but the circus master more than contributed to the problems. If you want some hypothetical reasoning, I’ll give you some. corney has proved he’s a crap businessman over the years. That’s not going to change if we get new investment. If corney manages to stay on in some capacity he’ll continue to mess things up. It doesn’t matter who is manager or how much money gets thrown at it, he’ll balls things up. Sheridan made mistakes this season, but dragged us out of the shit not once but twice. It’s corney who keeps dropping us in it and he’ll do it again. 

5 minutes ago, Buckshawlatic said:

Corney has his faults no doubt but he has kept the club going (whether he's kept it going well is up for debate) - Simon Blitz and Danny Gazal are both a fucking disgrace and how on Earth they don't get the same, or more wrath and criticism that Corney does is beyond me. They milked their white knight act till the financial crash then pulled the plug at the first opportunity- they now both sit in the OEC taking its day to day money whilst letting the club have a few pounds from pie sales on a match day.

 

Corney has at least faced the fans a few times - id love an audience with those two bastards 

Agree with you, but I think Corney gets the grief because he is the link and has put himself in that position. He’s not interested in finding revenue streams into the club, his work is mainly finding revenue streams out of the club. I know I’ll get slated for saying that, with people saying we don’t make any money. That’s the point, as a business, which sadly football clubs are nowadays we’re crap. The buck has to stop with him for that.  He is the reason why we are crap and I’m sure that’s why the investment is moving slowly. If I had money to invest I wouldn’t go near a club led by him. Things like the staff being paid might not seem to worry some people, but i’m sure it will bother potential investors. As people have said, if he’s looking to sell the club it massively weakens his position. If he’s looking for investment and wants to stay on as chairman, who in their right mind would want to give him money? I’m a fan of the club and I wouldn’t trust him with a fiver. If he’s worked as hard over the last 10 years to try and bring money into the club as he had getting money out, I’d believe that someone would want to invest in the club. 

To be honest this is the first time that I've actually believed that this investment might happen.  It makes a lot more sense now this guys name has been mentioned.  The problem I was having was all these new players coming in.  The lower league French players just wouldn't be on the radar of anyone currently at the club.  So the only way I could see them being identified and bought is via Lemsagam, which we know isn't technically compliant with the FA Laws.  By bringing in this new manager it cuts out that problem and it can be explained that he is recruiting these new players.  It may well be that Lemsagam is doing the recruiting, but I reckon this is how they'll get through the FA laws of agent ownership.  It could also mean that Lemsagam is genuine and has been getting these players in early ready for the investment and new manager. Either way, it doesn't look good for Shez, but this is all starting to make a lot more sense for me. 

So if the club has to follow a similar process to that bullet pointed list we're somewhere around point 3 out of 10? Not even half way there really.  How have we managed to bring in all these new players when we were under a transfer embargo very early on in the transfer window? Where is the money coming from? If we are just at 3/10 of the negotiations bringing in these new players is a massive risk if things fall through. If we're further along and assurances have been made then surely this should have been discussed at board level and the Trust should have been made fully aware?

The Sports Direct deal was supposed to make us more competitive, the OEC was supposed to provide extra funds to make us more competitive. We really haven't benefited from any of these deals on or off the pitch, to be honest. I very much doubt any new investment (if it happens) will benefit the club in any financial way.  The only people to benefit will be Corney and the agent investors.  How any of this (again if it happens) is legal is completely beyond me, but then again Corney does like cutting corners if he can see a dollar in it for him.

It's the yearly Corney smokescreen. It's the one thing he's good at. When things aren't going well he gives the fans something to talk / moan about taking the focus of the crap on the pitch. Never going to happen.  He's had to bring it out much earlier than usual this year. 

2 minutes ago, kowenicki said:

 

Thats not why I'm saying it.

Any clues why then?

20 minutes ago, kowenicki said:

 

Good on those questioning the trust and questioning those fans questioning the owners. Long may it continue. 

you're entitled to. I'm not disputing that. Just seems a bit odd for you to say the board isn't balanced just because they don't share your opinion. 

7 hours ago, kowenicki said:

 

How many do that?  I certainly do not.  How many do the opposite?

 

But the point is that the forum isn't balanced or moderated properly. 

 

Is the forum not balanced because not many people share your opinion? Good on the trust and those fans that are questioning the owners. Long may it continue. 

If the average wage is what has been stated then the entire squad should cost around 150k per month. If the monthly bills are 300k where is the other 150k going? If we don't pay any rent, I'm assuming if OEC is owned by Brass Bank then they pay the staff who work for OEC. What other things could be costing the club £150k per month any ideas?

The sad thing is, all of this is just so consistent with the way the club is run. Investment isn't really the answer because the same plums would be running the show. The only real answer is for a takeover, but again sadly this isn't going to happen anytime soon because of the same problem, Corney and his clowns. No wonder Moisley has spoken to 100's of investors and nobody has bitten. It's because there is so much wrong with the club and the people who are currently in power. Corney would struggle to give the club away, but given the fact he wants millions we've not a chance of being saved.

1) Peter Shirtliff was there today and is mulling over his options of a return?

 

2) the old latics shop is now used as an office by a graphic designer who produces the latics programmes and other media, posters etc free of charge in return for free rent. It's the same guy who designed the new badge.

 

Can't see any of them being true personally but there are people on here far more in the know than me

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=eden+creative+oldham&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en-gb&client=safari#fid=0x487bb9dab8ed5dd7%3A0x856956607eb75fb8&fpstate=luuv&imagekey=!1e3!2s-a-yGsSMiVw8/VwSonyUc5GI/AAAAAAAAADg/EkpA0jkjUhw3qON_UrxnUpfEKzqfKyWNACJkC&viewerState=lb

That's put him in his plaice.

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Corney's decision to start Green again was a disgrace.

You can't lay that at his door but every other decision the pillock has made for the last 3-4 years has been a disgrace. He's the reason every manager is set up to fail.

Delusional, this mess is his fault, the reason the club is dead, crowds have halfed and the lack of spirit is due to him simple as. Continuous bad decisions, continious mistakes and continious lies. Simple as that. 2500-3000 fans have gone missing under his tenure, or to you is that just a coincidence?

Don't know why but you posting that 16 times made me think of this. At least it made me smile.

https://youtu.be/fOad90BvvjM

The way Corney had been doing things recently he'll sack him one day into the transfer window, then appoint somebody one day after the window closes.

....can't see cameras and technology being installed on Clayton playing fields any time soon

 

At Twickenham yesterday there were about 40 cameras..the referee thought the Australian winger might have been guilty of foul play, he referred it to the TMO. After 6 replays and different angles the TMO ruled it was foul play and a yellow card was issued......followed immediately by Will Greenwood the expert pundit questioning the decision.

 

Only the match officials can decide what the final decision is and that then to accepted as right or you can scrap any sport

You seem to keep changing the goalposts to suit your argument but here goes. I disagree on all points. Obviously technology wouldn't be used at non league level, do any of the other sports that use tech introduce it at all levels of the game? You're just being pedantic and you know it. You raise a good point though in that the only difference in the standard of refereeing between a million pound premier league game and a kick about on Clayton is very little when it comes to the officiating of the game. They both have the same chancers in control of the game guessing what has happened.

 

Second point, you're trying to compare a sport that is renowned for good standards of refereeing and amazing levels of respect shown by players and make it seem bad? I'm not stupid I know that there will still be some level of error, it's just attempting to get the level of error as low as possible. I really don't think you can bring rugby up as a bad example in this discussion.

 

At the moment we have a completely random, inconsistent and error ridden system in a sport that in most other areas is groundbreaking. It sounds like you're happy with the current guessing game, you're entitled to that opinion but like the refs you support you're very wrong.

Whether you use technology or not the principle remains. The referee's decision has to be final , right and accepted. The TMO in rugby , the fourth official in cricket are just referees too.

No the decision needs to be final and right. Not final and wrong.

We have a suggestion that players cheat because they can get away it. What about then advocating that the next time the pundits say that there was no contact and it was not a penalty they don't sit in the pundits boxtalking about Mariner, dean , Oliver ,clattenburg or whoever and instead start saying that hazard Rooney Pogba or whoever should geta 3 match ban .

 

Yesterday we had to endure Gary Neville justifying Chelsea players getting involved in a brawl. If the Rochdale player rightly got 12 matches for his assault on Clarke how many games should Aguero get for the example he set to millions watching from league 1 to Oldham Sunday League to primary school under 8s.....

The referees get called out by the media because they are the ones in control. If the players improve their behaviour the refs will still make mistakes won't they? As has been said they're human, mistakes will happen. They don't just balls up when players cheat they get it wrong much, much more than that. So we've still got a flawed system. If the focus is on the ref and the laws of the game it can only improve things can't it? Rather than this ridiculous old fashioned stance where the ref is always right, even when every man and his dog knows they are wrong. Most other sports provide help to officials to get things as right as they can be using modern technology. The game has moved on so much in the last 20 years, not just the pace of the game but the amount of money riding on some games. For me refereeing standards are going backwards at some pace.

It's just so easy to blame the refs. They are subject to so much scrutiny and slated for every decision that is even marginal. They are human, they have one pair ef eyes. There is no way on earth that they can live up to the demands that the media puts on them, which obviously influences every level.

I disagree it's anything to do with the media. The premier league is over analysed yes, but at our level they are terrible. I wouldn't say that the media influences anything outside the Premier. They're far worse at our level and there is just no defending them. I'd say we get 2 or 3 decent refs a season, it's not good enough.

There is no diference if you like ...the large companies fiddling tax are crooks, burglars breaking into houses are criminals and players trying to cheat the paying public are cheats .

All 3 are despicable while the government the police and the referee are charged by us to stop their activities and they do it better when supported by right minded people

I'd agree with you there. Where I don't agree with you is if the government or the police get something wrong they get taken to task and generally they are accountable for their actions. When a referee gets something wrong he was right and that's the end of the argument. You can't ever improve, move forward or effect change with an attitude like that. That's why the situation is just getting worse and worse. I put the blame firmly with referees and those in charge of the game.

It's the referees' fault that the players cheat? Remarkable conclusion.

You said in one of your posts all players cheat. If referees did their job it just wouldn't happen. They set the rules and enforce them don't they? Governments get moaned at for large corporations avoiding tax. Police get moaned at when there are spates of burglary. What's the difference?

Cheating is just getting worse in the game, I put it down to the fact that the refs can't control the game effectively.

Refs have no chance. Pretty much every player cheats in every game

Maybe the reason they cheat is because they know that football referees are terrible and very easy to con? Along with the fact there will be little or no comeback after because the referee didn't see it, and the referees decision is final stance. I don't blame the players for it, it's the referees and officials job to stamp it out. They just aren't up to it.

Telling people to STFU isn't debate!

Well he shouldn't be so hypocritical then. I've no problem with people reading between the lines. But he shouldn't shout people down for it constantly and then do it himself.