Clifford

 

So you would be happy for a convicted rapist out on licences to come to your house and read your gas meter with just your wife and kids in the house ?

 

Maybe think through the end point to your opinion.

Isn't that the sort of low profile job some people want him to have?

The funniest thing about this is people believing everything they read in the paper.

Father in law is paying us to take him? Is that the same source that told the world we get 1mill a year from sports direct?

I'm in the buy your ticket camp. I'll donate a fee to charity if you don't want cash. I pay on the day so you'll be hitting the club financially if thats what you're after.

 

UK population = 70,000,000. 60k is stuff all

That is 60k email addresses. Probably doesn't equate to that many people with this mass campaign that seems to being pushed via twitter etc.

I think LJ is happy for people to think he doesn't want to have the best striker in the league in his side. Good for his image and future job prospects. Not having it at all.

The thought of standing on the terraces alongside some of the absolute :censored: who have surfaced since Sunday makes me feel ill so for that reason, but not only that reason, I'm out.

The saddest thing I've read on here. People with extreme different views so your off? At dale I had 3 middle aged fans spouting all sorts of racist bile about our own players. Awful stuff. I still went and followed my team the next game.

No matter who comes and goes the main thing is the club remains. As fans we need to stick with that and make sure this doesn't kill the club.

:censored: Barry, :censored: Evans. 3 years time they'll be forgotten, we'll still be :censored:e but at least we won't be Rochdale.

Dan Roan has just set off to Avant...

I'd not want to mop out anyone after Roan has been about it.

I'd piss myself if he turned us down

 

This is how I see it all. Forgetting the morals, and even the 'footballing decision' argument, the negatives outweigh any positives.

 

I'd argue it wouldn't even be a good footballing decision to sign an unfit player who hasn't played in 3 years and will probably move on in the summer.

Key bit being move on in the summer. If his names cleared we'll pocket 1 or 2 million

Why would we be waiting for sponsors? Clear with those guttering clowns that we contacted them a month ago. Shouldn't we know the position of SportsDirect etc already?

We're going to be on the Jeremy Vine show (radio two). How ironic, given the history of the BBC, that bastion of moral virtue. Send in your emails now!

Imagine the bbc and the church questioning anyone's morals on rape? Dear me. Anyone working for them should look at themselves first.

Hughes' crime was worse. He showed remorse, but it was worse.

Correct. Left 2 bodies and one fighting for their life. Far more hard to stomach a crime than Evans.

Ched has the right to say he's innocent to anyone that will listen, thousand of prisoners will tell you they're innocent,. The hounding (if it really is happening) isn't helpful to anyone and is something Ched and his family should speak out on.

 

Does the victim have sympathy for Clayton McDonald, putting an innocent man through a rape trial just because she couldn't remember?

Great second point as remember Clayton is definitely innocent in the same way Ched is guilty. Not that she remembers.

He wasn't jailed for being morally abhorrent though.

If Evans signed

 

Questions

If you were playing for another club and Latics were after signing you would you sign? (think about the reaction from your family and friends)

If you were currently a player at Latics would you want to be seen out socially with him (again think about the reaction)

When he scores then as a player how would you celebrate? Run and mob him etc.etc?

 

Bottom line is would signing Evans make it more difficult to retain our present squad and sign new players?

 

 

 

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For all we know she could've just said she couldn't remember due to being embarrassed for allowing 2 guys to...

 

Just a thought

My mate got so into a 3some on holiday he ended up with his mates length in his mouth. As far as I know neither called the police, put down to shameful drunken antics.

I agree with that but I think that's were the separate verdicts has been formulated from. She went back with Clayton, Evans rocked up later uninvited. Just putting across why I don't buy this "two or none" argument

So she could consent to the first one but not the second when in my mind she would have been more sober? All seems odd to me. His conviction seems to be based on her not being capable of saying no yet the other lad was fine to get his end away. I'm sure there must be more to it but does seem weak.

 

I don't think anyone has forgot that...

I personally feel that what hughes did once he hit that car is far worse than what evans is supposed to have done. Some are suggesting hughes was ok as it was just drinking driving. He'll have seen those bodies and run off. Far worse.

Peoole forgetting hughes left 2 people for dead.

So in effect if there's an under 18 in the first team he cant play?

Nah, his crime was nothing like the sort that would restrict that.

If I was a Latics player, and Evans signed, my transfer request would be on the managers table straight away.

 

How many players would refuse to join Latics if he was at BP?

How many loanees would refuse to come?

None. Many players will have great sympathy for Evans as mamy will have had women target them because they're footballers.

Not saying its right but it's the truth.

People do realise most sponsors of the club pay little or nowt. Verlin fixed the roof and guttering. No financial loss.

 

I trust you can back up that astonishing claim.

How many other organisations have been involved in mass world wide child abuse, bar the BBC?

 

It's interesting that this quote from Jesus, speaking in John's gospel, has come up several times on this thread. The story (in John chapter 8) is of the religious people who were trying to trap Jesus into permitting them to carry out capital punishment against Roman law. They were asking if they could stone a woman who had been caught in the act of adultery. In other words this woman was just a pawn in their attempt to catch out Jesus.

 

In the case before us here there is a woman also who has not been very prominent in our discussions. According to law she is the victim here. She might also be portrayed as a pawn. But surely any rehabilitation of an offender has to give at least equal if not more consideration to the victim herself. What would we be saying to her and to other vulnerable women if we were to give this person "a second chance"?

 

I do not express a public opinion. But I simply point you to the Scripture.

The church probably has more rapists working for it than any other organisation. If your going to take a stance against giving Ched another go have a look at the organisation you work for.

 

 

If you believe that, you're insane.

 

Damage has been done but it can be mitigated by backing out. Far worse damage will be done if we do actually sign him.

Our owners want him, our directors want him and our sponosrs want him. We've spoken to his team and almost arranged a deal. No other club has got that far. PR wise we are tarnished now either way. That's if you care about the thoughts of a mob of shrieking do gooders.

I'd prefer to see the lad elsewhere however fully believe that bar padeos and serial killers we should all be allowed the chance to work. His main skill is football, let him play.