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1 hour ago, boyinthesnow said:

My Aldershot supporting mate describes him as a box to box midfielder, always willing to show for the ball and takes a good free kick. 

 

Time will tell if he can do all that two leagues higher up. 

Time!  Time!  How long have you been on this site?  He's had more than half an hour to prove his worth, ample bloody time.  I can't believe there are people actually pointing out positives when he clearly made more than one mistake.  FFS the guy has no future in football at any level never mind League 1.  We only accept total footballers here, I want him out so we can get the next none perfectionist in.  Life would be shit if I didn't have something to moan about.  

P.S. Not a go at your measured post, rather some of the earlier posts that really rips my knitting.

One or two on here are over thinking today and putting themselves in a bad mood.  Log out, put the kettle on and open a new packet of digestives

4 hours ago, Oldham82 said:

Please can the football club give an update on manager situation.  Mainly though the investment / takeover even just to say it is still being looked at or something !

All our representatives are busy at the moment.  Please stay on the line until the next available person will be delighted to speak with you.  Your custom is very important to us.

Just now, Cushyj said:

Update: We understand that Seedorf is not - and never was - considering becoming Oldham manager. He is friends with the club's owners and was invited by them to look at the structure and set up of the club.

 

From the BBC website. Was hoping he would come but not looking like it.

Boooo!   Boooo!   Down with that sort of thing.

17 hours ago, singe said:

Could Billy Davies? Or Alan Stubbs.?

Stop trying to cause unnecessary distress.  Our next manager is going to be Clarence Seedorf.  I heard that he has a brown bear on his living room floor that's too scared to move. 

19 hours ago, ChaddySmoker said:

Yesterday the club was fcuked.

 

Today the club is still fcuked.

what about tomorrow ?

5 hours ago, Hands on said:

There were two differences between us and Wigan.  Ability was obvious but as you point out movement/speed/fitness (call it what you like) was the other.  I rather think it is because of desire/commitment - they or most of them are coasting, going through the motions - no umph to do anything other than survive and by so doing putting our ongoing league one status at risk.  

you said two .... that's six  

5 hours ago, 24hoursfromtulsehill said:

So I did this thing and this other person sustained a little bit of damage and it wasn't too bad for me and I got what I wanted so that's okay. And they're a Man Utd fan, so it's all grist t'mill.

 

Then their grandad died and their partner lost their job.

 

Straight to hell. Do not pass go.

Have you been drunk since July 12th?

The War On Drugs - Strangest Thing

cant wait to see them in Nov  

Kevin Morby new album City Music

Anyone read the DUP manifesto?  It's effectively a British version of The Bible with fortnightly bin collections.  The future's bright, the futures Orange

WTF was that speech from TM.  Has anyone told her about the result, no recognition at all, none.  The woman's not right in the head.

1 hour ago, mcfluff1985 said:

 

 

I'd say this is the speech that wins her the election 

I applaud her recognition that we have tolerated extremism for too long.  Hopefully this will extend to the selling of weapons to the Saudis.  Very much doubt it though.

There you go Kowenicki, a free one for you as I know you love nothing better than down voting anyone who holds alternative views to yourself.  You really need to chill mate, you're taking things way too personal.  Before you Submit Replies imagine if that is how you'd say it if you were sat opposite them, we  all have the right to hold alternative opinions without it turning into playground name calling.

All those eager for pushing red buttons and launching WMD last night appeared to be angry, bald, middle aged, white men .... maybe it's a symptom of erectile dysfunction

6 hours ago, UsedtobeWozzer said:

It almost makes you feel grateful for British politicians whatever their hue. The apparent desire for nuclear holocaust in that audience tonight was pretty chilling.

Chilling is a good description, the young lass hit the nail on the head before she asked her human rights question when she said ' I don't understand why everyone in this room is so keen to kill millions of people with a nuclear bomb'.  Seemed like JC wanted to say it but was biting his lip

After tonights Question Time Leaders Special, Frankie Boyle on Twitter -

'All the average British punter wants is to be paid less than £10 an hour and be incinerated in a nuclear holocaust, and good luck to em'

2 hours ago, HarryBosch said:

 

No. Why do you ask? 

...... because the basis of your argument seems to be that we shouldn't complain about increasingly more working people struggling to get by as it was worse for our parents and grand parents.   

2 hours ago, leeslover said:

Do you want my view on low pay or pay inequality? They aren't the same thing. Lots of people around the world are quite keen to leave their more equal societies to come and work in our low paid jobs.

Never suggested they were the same, but I think you knew that.  Feel free to think that all is well because we have people coming from around the world to take our low paid jobs, I will continue to work toward a higher skilled economy and look forward to the day when engineers from Scandanavia and Germany want to live and work here because we offer comparative opportunities, living and working standards.  

If you want a grown up debate about the impact of low pay, pay inequality and the skewed distribution of wealth I will happily engage with you, if you simply want to focus on specific words and numbers its best we call it a day.

21 minutes ago, leeslover said:

You said any society in the world 

I should have said OECD countries, but I stand by the point I was making.  Rather than discussing the exact wording  I'd welcome your view on the impact of  low pay and pay inequality

49 minutes ago, leeslover said:

To quote Harry, 

Indulge me,then, what rank are we on income inequality out of the OECD countries

1 hour ago, HarryBosch said:

 

Things aren't perfect and we should never stop trying to improve things, especially for the vulnerable, but - the vast majority of people in this country, especially working class people (of which I am one), are living unprecedentedly wonderful lives our parents and grandparents would never have even dreamt possible. Our poorest people are amongst the richest on the planet and the richest humans who've ever lived. 

 

Give your head a wobble.

 

We are very, very, very lucky. 

Are you seriously justifying todays unfair distribution of wealth because it was worse in the Victorian times?  

Very, very, very lucky ........ is that how you see it?

No offence like but St Jude would have her work cut out with you

2 hours ago, leeslover said:

I've been in more than 3 countries which suggest that your first fact is extravagantly untrue

you're correct I missed out Americas we're 7th in the OECD report

 I often despair, but am not surprised, at how many in our society accept with barely a shrug of the shoulders the shite we are served by successive governments over recent generations.  We seem to have grown up believing that we are a great country with a democracy and values that we should hold close to our chest and be proud of.  If you look past a MSM that feed many of our beliefs the reality is that our 6th wealthiest economy in the world is:

• 4th most unequal society in the world
• 2nd lowest paid out of all advanced economies
• highest level of disabled poor in europe
• one of lowest levels of production of all advanced nations
• one of worst balance of trades of all advanced nations
• one of only 2 countries of all advanced economies in OECD that have seen a drop in industrial output over last 30 years
• other than Lithuania, have the worst workers rights of the 27 EU countries

All the above are linked.  If you have no voice at work, if you put a stranglehold on Trade Unions, if you have an economic system that allows people that work to have no say or control in their lives, you will end up with a low pay economy.  When you get a low pay economy you get an unequal economy.  When you get an unequal economy you will get Tax problems because people on low wages cannot pay Tax, therefore you get bad public services.

Since 1979 successive Governments, and I include the Blair years in this, have been applying right of centre policies.  I would say that the above results are as clear a statement as you need to demonstrate that a dramatic change of direction is required. 

Wherever you intend to put your cross, its time we all started getting more engaged in politics and demanding more from those that represent us, rather than arguing amongst ourselves about which way we want shafted.  It does not have to be this way. 

3 hours ago, GlossopLatic said:

 

Latest Yougov poll now points to a hung parliament with the Tories 16 seats short of an overall majority.

Polls seem to be all over the place at the moment even with a lot of work having been done to correct them getting 2015 wrong when the 'shy Tories' got all the flack.   It wasn't really shy tories in 2015. There were two problems: firstly, pollsters oversampled the politically interested, and the politically interested holding all other factors constant tend to be more likely to vote Labour; secondly, especially amongst younger people there was a tendency for Labour voters to over-exaggerate their likelihood to vote ("Lazy Labour"). There wasn't some mass of Conservative voters hiding in DK/Refuse to Say, like there was in 1992.

The big disparity between pollsters right now is coming down to turnout models - their unweighted samples look about the same. When you want to figure out how likely to vote someone is, you have two pieces of information: how likely they say they are, and how likely their demographic is in general. For example, a young person who says they're 100% likely to vote is probably only 70% likely to vote, an older person who says they're 80% likely to vote might be 80% likely to vote. As a pollster, you have to balance between the information this person gives you and how likely it is they're correctly estimating their likelihood to vote.

Models which take people more on their word are showing narrow Conservative leads of about 7 points. Models which don't are leaning to wider leads of 10 points. This is because Corbyn is getting frankly unprecedented certain to vote figures among younger people - young person's turnout would be the highest it has been in decades if people are self-reporting accurately. The question is whether you believe that picture. History says in the end up they'll not turn out.

A hung Parliament would be hilarious and be the last we'd see of May.  Unfortunately I can't see anything other than an increased majority.  If any of you remain uncertain I urge you to read the Tory Manifesto, it is a sufficiently vague mandate to introduce all sorts of painful policies. 

On 5/29/2017 at 11:02 AM, kowenicki said:

Chaddy. As a socialist you will obviously watch tonight and think, whatever happens or is said, that Corbyn wins the debate.  You are pre wired to think that. You can't be objective. But don't think that because you believe that everyone else does. The left really do struggle to grasp this simple idea that people can see things differently and they have no monopoly on being correct.  I guess all extremists are like this 

 

Well I'd say JC clearly won that.  TM looked like she was about to burst into tears at times it's no wonder that during this campaign she's been kept in a cage with a blanket over it. 

Hope that it wasn't anybody from on here giving her the one man standing ovation at the end ........  I guess all extremists are like this.