County boy

Go on then, give us an honest appraisal.

hes the s**t version of davies, dont know why everyone raves about him...

Well I don't know about any compasrisons to your Davies fella, but people rave about him because, if you play to his stregnths, he'd walk into any team in the league.

The worst thing about the violence is that it seemed to take an eternity for your stewards and/or the police to get in there and break up the 'fighting'. I hope you're never involved in a disaster at a football match with that kind of stewarding. Unless, there was a motive in all this...

 

Mind you, the steward in our stand was good at coming behind us and saying "Sit down now lads" every few minutes.

Motive ? Please elaborate.

The Police were in charge of security, you'd have to ask them why they positioned themselves as they did.

I think 'I might get battered if I celebrate a goal' would have crossed your mind at some point. I think the main point when you bought them would be if we score don't say anything. To jump up and celebrate is just plain stupid.

 

The attack was OTT but as you have said you have seen trouble many times so why would your imagination stop you from thinking 'if we go one up and I celebrate most of the people in here will want to give me a shoeing'

Glad some have actual accepted the Police's part in this rather than the anti Stockport potshots which seem de rigueur post Friday.

I should point out that it was not the celebrating of the goal per se which caused the reaction, it was the subsequent goading with "come on" gestures which caused some to indeed do so. I think it rather needs putting in that context, although it doesn't excuse the reaction.

What things work?

 

Are you seriously trying to defend your clubs stance on away fans?

Ive not read the thread as i really had enough from Friday, but basically (from how i read it) you seem to like the confrontation as you know that there will be excessive numbers of away fans at EP who will bring a lot more than us and County's stance on 2000 tickets will cause bigger implications when bigger teams come, and say you play a team who need a win at the end of the season.

Throughout the season you will find more away fans in the home ends, and the majority will go in the CE through lack of knowledge and maybe they know county fans are game!

You need to read this thread (and others) then because most of that is based on groundless asumption. You again seem to conveniently forget the Police were involved. Go and read the quote from your own club official in your local rag, I've quoted it in this or another thread, which is bang on the mark.

Stockport are playing it all down called Spin. Stockport do not want a big fine of the FA, most goes of the referee reports and also if it looks like all hell broke out could mean tighter restrictions for games against clubs like Crewe, Huddersfield, Leeds and future games to come.

Do Stocky really want to lose more matchday earnings? could even get them in trouble with there landlords.

That's just so far off the mark it just shows a complete lack of knowledge for how these things work.

Which is more feasible?

 

Stockport refuse to give Oldham more tickets as their Season Ticket holders would kick up a fuss about being shifted. This results in Oldham fans in the home end and fighting.

 

The Police refuse to let Stockport move their own fans into a different stand and Oldham to have a bigger area with better segregation (which has been done before so clearly can be undertaken). Resulting in Oldham fans in the home end and fighting.

 

I know which one I think is more likely. Not saying that whoever has put the latter about is lying, I just won't believe it until I see evidence of it.

 

Or is it me criticising the 'we have done well' attitude of your club (which stinks) that you don't understand?

You can believe what you like. I doubt you'll ever see any 'evidence' of it but you might want to look at the comments made by your own club official to which I responded in this or the other thread.

Of course, you'll obviously know about the changes which have occured recently with regard to the policing of our matches (thanks to that gobby owner of Wigan) so you will be speaking from a position of knowledge ? Not just the fact that something different happened x years ago ?

I'll believe that the Police requested a lower number of tickets resulting in mixed fan areas rather than segregated into two different stands when they say it, rather than some guy on the Internet who has a mate who was told by someone at the club that the Police didn't want to do that.

Oh dear. Try to have a rational conversation will you.

thats because you are guessing, you should have learned from prior experince that diving in and making statements without checking them first usually leads to mistakes being made.

yes, the game may be all ticket in future. but you have absolutely no way of knowing that all of those involved in the incident did not buy their tickets on any day other than the one which the match took place.

There were certainly a number of Oldham fans who had tickets in advance. I know that for a fact.

Except that there were loads in there not celebrating and it could have been kept to a minimum by giving a larger area to away fans. That would have done the job. The mutual backslapping by a bunch of morons that didn't do their job correctly resulting in violence at that match should have a different tone. To say the club are satisfied with anything off the pitch on Friday is nothing short of frightening as the aforementioned morons seem to have learnt nothing.

 

Ah well, at least there was more than one turnstile open this year.

Oh dear. You'll be talking about the Police then I presume ?

I thank you.

 

In answer to your question, I condem all violence. In my view it is totally unnecessary all round. The vast majority of us just want to enjoy a day/evening out watching our chosen team playing football, win lose or draw.

 

From where I was at virtually the other end of the ground, I could not see any "goading" so have to accept your word on that. However, it was unavoidable not to see the violence that followed and I trust from the statement on your clubs official site this morning that the culprits they claim to have identified include the relevant County "fans" and that the police will be prosecuting for ABH/GBH. Like you I doubt that prosecutions will follow, but for the good of the game and all genuine football fans, said prosecutions should follow. The Police can have no excuse.

 

I hope my answer is acceptable to you.

 

Cheers,

Harry

I think we're largely in agreement then.

on saturday they said 'after the oldham fans were removed' today they say theyre 'happy visiting supporters in home stands were kept to a minimum'

i would be interested to know if the author actually believes what (s)he is typing.

No contradiction in that statement.

In your post that I originally replied to you went onto say "Had your fans done the decent thing and kept quiet though, peace and love all around." The point is, that while we accept that probably 90% of people would keep stum, some people, for wahtever reason, can't. It does not excuse the violence dished out by your fans. Yes you did say that there was no justification in your words "that goes for both sides." However, I did not ask you if it was justified, I asked you to condem the violence dished out by your fans. Quite simple really.

 

I also stated "and I would at least expect you to support the rooting out of the offenders to be prosecuted and have lifetime bans issued by both Stockport County and the Courts."

 

So, in answer to my original question you will have no problem then confirming your condemnation of the violence dished out by the County "fans" and their rooting out and subsequent prosecution.

 

I await your reply.

Cheers,

Harry.

You're playing with semantics now. Of course I condem it, just as I condem the goading of home fans after a goal (which is entirely different to forgetting where you are and celebrating I might add). To then turn around after the initial celebration with arms outstretched shouting "come on" and waving them on is enciting violence. I hope there are prosecutions on both sides. However, I suspect there won't be. Do you condem inciting violence by away fans in home fans areas ?

I couldn't attend the match due to work commitments, but for me the problem could have been easily avoided - the match should have been ALL TICKET.

 

It would not be the first nor the last local derby to be made all ticket - this problem would never have occurred.

How so ? Oldham fans could still have wandered up to EP and obtained tickets in advance just as they did for this game.

While that was disappointing, he sympathised with Stockport as there are restrictions on how many fans can attend and any decision is made in consultation with police.

Hits the nail on the head.

Why are only the Stockport fans getting stick?

 

I heard that when we scored one of our fans jumped across three rows to bite off both of a mans ears as a celebration. Or is that a case of chinese whispers?

I'm told that's true.

Yes they do, but who will get the blame for Friday? I'm in no doubt that it will be Stockport for not stopping away fans getting into home areas, not the police who are always not guilty.

You think it's possibly to keep out any away fan who wants to get in a home end ? Plllllllllllllllllllease.

Whilst I take on board and understand your points, can you give me the justification for 20 or so of your "boys" kicking 10 tons of ***** out of one or more of our fans for having the audacity to celebrate us scoring.

 

Irrespective of the fact that this occurred in the home end, your comments are seeking to justify that if our fans had been celebrating outside after the match, that would also have been ok for such a violent and cowardly attack? Quite simply, there is no excuse whatsoever for the violence that was dished out by your "fans" be it inside or outside the ground and I would at least expect you to support the rooting out of the offenders to be prosecuted and have lifetime bans issued by both Stockport County and the Courts.

 

There is "no justification for went went on"

 

We all accept that if you go in the "home end" you keep stum, however in times of high excitement people sometimes forget themselves.

 

Please don't come on here and tell us that because some of our fans were in your end it justifies the cowardly and brutal attack on them.

 

I await your condemnation of the violence dished out by your fans.

 

Cheers,

Harry

I said there was no justifcation for what went on. Isn't that clear. How can you say I justify it. I clearly said I didn't.

i think we have already established that the fans who did that were at fault, there is no need for you to arrive with your 'women and kids' analogy. sounds like your looking to justify the response which was dished out.

It's not an analogy.

No justification for what went on, that goes for both sides. Had your fans done the decent thing and kept quiet though, peace and love all around.

I guess people are just comparing with how we have dealt with large numbers of away fans in the past. The most recent being Huddersfield last week. It being changed to a Friday night quite soon to the game cannot have helped but that was unavoidable really.

 

I'd ditch the Stockport County quiz at the ticket office too as it doesn't seem to work

 

Nor does ticket office staff allocating away player complimentaries in the home ends but I'm not sure if they are sorted at our end or yours. Cock up regardless.

Agree re: the quiz. Sadly the ticket staff are employees of Sale Sharks, not SCFC.

Not going to stop fans going in the home ends is it. It should but it won't. As you'll discover when Leeds turn up.

Not at all, but all this, it's Stockport's fault, book should be thrown at them rubbish. Come on, how many people here know the FACTS of what went on with the ticket allocation ?

If anyone seriously thought County said 2000, no more, just to cause Oldham some aggravation are in cloud cookoo land. We're a trust run club, we need the money for goodness sake. If you'd have told us at an early juncture you'd be bringing 2500 you'd probably have been given the tickets, Police permiting.

All ends up, I can't believe Oldham are getting blamed for this. Oldham officials would have made it clear that we would be taking more than 2000 fans

At the last minute when arragements are in place with the Police ? What if the Police said, no, no more tickets for Oldham ?

Stockport are a joke and should have the book thrown at them. They didn't take reasonable care to ensure the safety of fans and so are breakin health and safety rules. It was common sense to give us more seats, they just wanted to take the piss

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA, hello, real world calling.

thats what i was thinking was it the roof but then again we didnt really create much to get the fans going did we so 1st loss of the season lets bounce back thats the main thing!!!!

 

could you see anything of the fighting??? hope that woman is ok tho... got caught right in the middle of it...

 

i only blame county for the 2000 tickets what was they thinking!!!!

Or what were the Police thinking maybe ?

Didn't see any fighting from where I was, couldn't really see what was going on at the bottom. Just seemed like they were surrounding them down there, police took an absolute age from the other side of the ground.

 

It had it coming, hopefully Stockport will now wake up to whats happened. No doubt it'll all be our fault.

Going into the home end celebrating and goading women and children in front of their husbands/Dads ? Newsflash, it WAS your fault.