basilrobbie

The first thing wrong with this is that the EPL have connived with the FA to present what they hoped would be a fait accompli. The FA then made it worse by claiming that, because the issue of the football calendar was discussed at a meeting the EFL were represented at last September, they could claim that this constituted "consultation". This was despite the fact that the meeting in question had no mandate whatever to commit anyone to anything.

You then have to ask yourself, who does this move primarily benefit? And the answer to that is the EPL clubs, and especially the seven or so that play in European competition (which is expanding, rather than contracting - a bit of a coincidence, is that).  Just over 800 clubs entered the competition last season, but apparently less than 3% of them can have closed discussions with the FA and make rule changes that affect everyone.

I can't help but think that someone at the EPL has had a close look at the Football Governance Bill, and noticed that once the Bill has become law, the competition organisers (in this case the FA) will not in future  be able to add, remove or vary any competition rule without first consulting the Regulator. So this is the last chance they have to make a change of this kind unilaterally. It also means that at Second Reading for the Bill tomorrow you will be able to spot those MPs who haven't actually read the Bill, because they will be the ones calling for an amendment to it that won't come into force until after this issue has been resolved - in order to introduce something that is already in it.

As Maguire pointed out this morning on the Price of Football Podcast, it is a bit rich for the FA to claim that player welfare is a factor here. They weren't interested in sticking up for that when the European competitions were being expanded, or the World Club Championship. It's all about giving the EPL what it wants, and thinking that a thirty million quid bribe is in some way adequate recompense for bringing to an end around 150 years of tradition.

Obviously I have little (no) insight to offer on this. However, I would be interested in your answers to two questions :

a) how ready do you think the club is for a return to the EFL?

b) linked to the above, to what extent is this season's "failure" a potential blessing in disguise?

4 hours ago, League one forever said:

Yeah,  I was specifically talking about his point regarding Southend. 
 

We keep hearing that it takes time, mistakes will be made, we can’t expect to much. . despite the club being in a fantastic position for success. And yet they’re working in an absolute shit show. . but have recruited well on a shoe string, have a good manager, and got the most from their tiny squad. What they achieved this season given the circumstances is excellent. 
 

Meanwhile we are aimlessly throwing money at the wall to see what sticks, and in comparison to them our whole structure of recruitment/getting the best from the players/consistency of performance put us to shame. 
 

 

I make you right about what they have achieved. They had barely enough players to fill the bench for the first three or four months of the season. Their recruitment  - when they were finally allowed to do some - has been very good. 

The big challenge for the new consortium there will be keeping Maher. I'm sure plenty of clubs will be looking at him with covetous eyes.

I've just read on Twitter that Halifax have moved their home games on Saturday and Tuesday to Accrington. Has anyone else seen that?

It's funny how quickly things can change. Barely a month ago I thought you were nailed on for top seven, even if I didn't really expect you to go on and win the whole thing.  But this is a pretty invidious position you find yourself in now. 

On the plus side, I don't see the Division being stronger next season and it is certainly hard to see there being an outstanding side. On the down side, most of the current top half will fancy having a real crack at it. Andy's statistic about five years being a benchmark for success in getting out feels intuitively right to me.

The academy dilemma is a tough one. I appreciate the financial realities of fifth tier football mitigate in favour of short term thinking. But if you feel you need options in changing what is a difficult paradigm I would want to continue to develop, and try to retain talent of your own.

2 hours ago, disjointed said:

Good to hear from you again Robbie, the OP did put in a later post that it was just frustration (he does have an air of negativity about him), after a bad result it's sometimes best to wait until the following day before posting anything. Good luck to Blackpool for the rest of the season a sneak into the play offs maybe. 

Cheers mate. We are too inconsistent I think, our current position of 9th feels about right. We''ll see - if we do make it it will because we have suddenly found something, and you know what we are like when we do.

Actually, we are, after five years or so under Mr. Sadler, pretty much exactly where we started in terms of League position. And he has put around £16m in so far. 

I've been on holiday for a week so this thread caught my eye. I assumed it must be someone bumping an old thread to make a point ...... but it seems it is actually serious.

I'd say it was incredible, when you consider your last thirty years of miserable under-achievement, but I have to tolerate the keyboard warriors at Blackpool, who behave in exactly the same way - irrational, volatile and unable to contextualise what they are seeing. And then there is the overwhelming sense of entitlement.....

I don't watch you at all, and am quite willing to believe that you are not easy on the eye. But so what? You are playing in a muck and nettles Division, and sometimes you have to adapt to what you are faced with. All I know is that after a worrying start and a change of manager, you are now in the thick of play-off contention, getting significantly more good results than bad ones and giving the impression that the club as a whole is getting to grips with what has been a  precipitous fall from grace. 

You seem to have done all that without waving a cheque book in the style of Wrexham or Stockport ; given how competitive the Division is I'd be inclined to give the manager a bit more credit for getting a tune out of this squad. And I wholly accept it is easy for me to look dispassionately at it. 

I think around 72 points will be good enough for 7th. That means going something like W4 D4 L3 from here in. If you managed to (say) go W6 D2 L3 you would have a shot at 4th and a home tie to start in the play-offs. Obviously, given the tone of the debate, that may not be the advantage it is usually is. But I would rather the board was tilted in my favour for any one off match. 

I don't think the main issue is whether you can make it. It's any six from eight, and they are normally decent odds. I think you have a tough run in, but so do others. The key issue for me is momentum - I know a lot about winning play-offs, and when we have done it we have almost always gone into them in really good form. 

So there seems to me to be an awful lot to play for. It's a good time for excitement, ad a very odd one for the panic-stricken OP and some of what has followed it. All in my opinion, which of course counts for bugger all. 

2 hours ago, Worcester Owl said:

Hope (no, not the footballer).

 

Seriously though, as you don’t seem to have posted on here lately (apologies if I missed any of your posts) I just wondered where you think we are from your more neutral/objective point of view. Between @Lee Sinnott , who seems convinced we are in a pub league and should therefore be winning 6-0 every week (strangely his predictions rarely come good) and @deyres42(who makes Waldorf and Statler look like rays of sunshine) it can be a struggle to get a cold, rational analysis of how well the team is doing and whether we should be doing better. Just curious to get your viewpoint but don’t feel you have to!

well, for what it's worth :

I thought Mellon was a very solid appointment.  He's effective without being showy and - dare I say it - based upon results, your team look as though they are beginning to reflect that.

I take part in a NL prediction League elsewhere, and a year ago I would normally back against you as often as not. Nowadays I fancy you to get a result most weeks albeit you do have a tendency to struggle against teams towards the bottom.  

All that said : I think you need to finish top five if you want to have a good chance at winning the play offs. Having one home draw would be a big help. I think Bromley and Alty would be the big dangers, and it would be nice to finish high enough that you didn't have to play both.

It's a really interesting league this season, from places 2-24. and will be even more so next season as the current bottom two in L2 are not likely to pull up a lot of trees.

19 hours ago, Worcester Owl said:

I think we need the Sage of Blackpool back to provide some arm’s length objectivity. The problem for us as Latics fans is we can’t help but be subjective.

 

@basilrobbie, where are you?

Hello, did someone call me? What do you want from me?

Whoever is behind that account seems intent on stirring up mischief. Or struggling for relevance.

Both very fair comments.

Good Pod.

I agree that it is too early to write the season off, but equally trying to win a promotion play off from 6th or 7th is very hard in the NL format. I must say I am surprised that you haven't kicked on from the second half of last season and the section of the conversation about recruitment being a common denominator in your recent problems rang true with me.

It may be me, but Mellon does NOT come across well in interview. He sounded a bit clueless to me, to be honest. Clearly, there is more to him than that. But he seems to be getting you used to the idea of a big rebuild in the summer.

The stuff on MCOs interested me. I think UEFA are belatedly looking at it, but it may come into sharp relief in the new, expanded form of the World Club Championship, where it may be almost impossible to keep clubs from the same stable apart. 

16 hours ago, otid said:

FFS Dave.....what's the point of using words that you know 99.9% of us are going to have to google......is that some sort of smug  oneupmanship?

I knew what it meant.

Would "Dawg" be safer?

You're welcome, Mr. Dog.

23 hours ago, Longlostfan said:

I agree this has the potential to be very important.

Politicians of every stripe aren't very good at supervising legislation and thinking about the unintended consequences. I think BR is right -there will be much hard work to do- even assuming the bill can be brought to completion before the next election. (1)

I can't see how this becomes a guarantee that a struggling club will continue to exist or even how a rogue incumbent owner can be forced to sell at a sensible price. It could be an important step to make some failures less likely though. (2)

Good post, and on the two highlighted points :

(1) Always a risk, but Labour have consistently offered the Government a cross-party approach to getting this on the statute book. I think there is every chance of that happening, should it need to. That could possibly include "nodding it through" if a General Election comes earlier than expected. 

(2) there isn't a regulator on the planet who could promise to head off all failures. But a system of licensing backed by regular inspection reduces the risks, and I hope that DCMS all be bold and create a wide range of powers along the lines that the FSA asked for in its evidence to Crouch. We will see.

This might help Glossop

https://www.blackpoolsupporterstrust.com/post/the-king-s-speech-2023

It's a hugely important step. and very, very satisfying. But the harder work starts now, probably.

1 hour ago, True Tic said:

What an absolute garbage draw that is. 

It's a lot better place to go than it used to be.

But still a bit uninspiring.

Interesting as always.

I'm mildly surprised that he was sacked this weekend, but I wasn't at Bromley! I suppose the Board felt that quick action was needed to salvage a top seven push. Currently it looks like 71/72 points will be needed for 7th place. That will need a sustained effort from where you are even at this early stage.

The name I was expecting to hear as the potential new manager was Kevin Maher. I'd hate to see Southed lose him if there is any way of avoiding it - they are having a bad enough time already. But the reality is that he may be out of work in a couple of weeks and he needs some job security just like anyone else.  Hee's clearly talented and has shon enormous resilience under pressure there. He'd be a catch for anybody, on paper.  But I hope for Southend's sake that he is never in the running.

If it had been a decade ago I might have made a case for Thompson, who has a decent coaching pedigree at the second and third tier level. But I think his best days may be behind him.

Thompson has made his career on being a very good coach, who plays the "good cop" role with the players. This is potentially an opportunity for him.

8 minutes ago, Lags said:

Mellifluous, I'll have to admit I looked up the meaning. Once you know, you see it.

 

I bet studying Al & Co even learnt you a few new things or is stupid as stupid none fathomable? 

There is learning to be taken from everything.

4 minutes ago, Dave_Og said:

Difference would be that you are in a realistic position given your overall scale and recent history. We're some way below where we not unreasonably think we should be.

Fair point. 

I start from the premise that, across the top five Divisions, only around one seventh of them are successful (in terms of advancement) in any one season. Given how inherently difficult that is, I feel that clubs reach for the loaded revolver far too often and far too soon.

4 minutes ago, Lee Sinnott said:

I probably wouldn't go to the extreme Woody did above, but it always absolutely blows my mind that you spend an hour a week listening to a podcast about Oldham...

I'm interested in institutional failure and how it is addressed. I made a successful career out of that and developing performance management frameworks.

And then there is the combination of Matt "Mellifluous" Dean, Halliwell The Erudite and ...... The Other One. How can anyone stay away?

Tough call this one.

Very few people know what managers are like in the workplace, so we look for proxies to give us a clue.

On the downside, he doesn't come over very well on social media, and many of you think he is limited tactically. 

On the upside, the club clearly bought into his plan when he was appointed and are prepared to back him financially.

I think he's been a bit unlucky in that he had had two poor spells bookending a period in the middle when the club was right at the top of the form table. The end of season came at a bad time for him.

He's had barely a year, fifty games and the club is largely where it was when he took over. My club are four years into a new regime and also more or less were we started. It's not uncommon.

I think it is a very hard decision to make when there are factors that could pull you either way. And I would imagine that the club's senior folk are mindful of the fact that they can't keep swapping managers and handling the fall out that it brings.