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Steady Aero. I don't think many of us have seen him play for Gretna - and aplogies if you have. However his injury record is poor and the reports that I have read about the matches that he has played in don't indicate that he has been pulling up trees.

 

I think there's bound to be a lot of scepticism about PM's current benefit to the team. Even if he was as good as 5 years ago, we can't carry such an injury risk. Players do get injured but it would be daft to sign one who has been so plagued recently.

it aint even about paul murray anymore, it is certain peoples attitudes cos they have a significant number of posts, they think it makes them better or their views more valid

as i thought, nothing to say. i dont think you know too much to even have a valid opinion. get it into your head, just cos people dont agree with doesnt make them wrong.

Purely because I think some people see him as a much better player than he is. I know it would just be as back-up etc, but I just don't think he was as good as some thought he was...if he had left in that horrible close season I don't think some would want him back - he was effective in a promotion chasing team and shone in a team full of kids and rejects the season after as we tried to scratch together a team. So I'd rather look back on the playoff team when assessing him - he was alright and he grafted but that was five years ago...he's suffered from injuries etc since and, whilst I'm not going to pretend that I know how good he is (some on here are talking as if they've seen him play lately), the fact that he's no longer at Carlisle and had to settle for a very poor Gretna team indicates that he's not as good as he was.

 

If he's like he was in 2002/03, then yes. But the impression I get is that he's not, and as such I think we can find a lot better.

 

Still, this debate will rear its head every summer and January...I'm impressed it's started even before the season's end.

who is talking like they have see him play? and what do you base your verdict that he isnt good enough for us on? have you seen him or have you gone purely off the fact he is playing in a poor side? absolute crap im afraid. you must be a fantastic judge of a player with your opening sentance and the way in which you think that just cos you dont rate him any more that no one else should. i wasnt going to comment again on this but your comment has really got my back up. talk about pompus.

sorry got caught up in arguing about every point ive tried to make

 

fair enough, he is not getting injured as much as he was before, however previous injurys do have an impact.

 

and if carlisle realeasd him, because of said problems then why should we want him in our sqaud, he is not as quick as he was, i dare say he cant throw himself into a tackle like he did in the past, he does have experience on his side, but we already have a spine of experience in crossley, gregan , liddlell and hughes.

 

so someone please give me a good reason to put him on our books , other than the fact he was brilliant 6 years ago.

because i believe he will add to our squad now gary mac has gone. he may not even be in shez's mind so i think we are going to have to agree to disagree here to be honest, and the liddell thing is a whole other thread!!!

paul murray made 14 starts for carlise that season 1 as sub, and i very much doubt although i cant back up, that he completed many full games.

 

hows that, what an oustanding seson he had...............next

 

(take it you didnt do yours!

oh dear oh dear, we already agreed that he couldnt get in the side and he didnt make much impact, i never disputed that, hence why i said previous that them letting him go wasnt an issue for me. what i was contending was the fact that you said he couldnt get in a crap side that carlisle were according to you even though they finished 8th in the season murray played 14 games. more to the point and recently is the fact he has played 32 games for gretna and seems to have gotten over his injury probs.

how many times has murrey played this season for carlisle and if we win on saturday we finish 8th, ta-da there is your crap side!

you have answered your own question there, you said he couldnt get in a crap carlisle side and they let him go, carlisle finished 8th that season when they did that, i agree 8th isnt so crap but you seem to think so if carlisle were crap when murray was there. a little tip for you and that is to do your research before returning with half baked comments that you cant back up

i think if you take into consideration murreys knee ops over the last few years, then allot has got more years ahead of him and muzza hasnt, i didnt ask his age did i? , i asked if he had got any younger.

 

as i recall there was talk of his career being over at the start of last season, he was not playing in a crap carlisle side due to these injuries.

 

i didnt attack you pal, and if we are talking clouded views, you want murrey back because he played for us previousley and have a soft spot for him like most of us, but he is not good enough and that is a fact that you can not get away from!

is this the same crap carlisle side that finished 8th in the season murray was there and the one that has gone on to guarantee themselves a play off spot this year, oh how i long for a crap side like that! interstingly he has played 32 times this season for gretna!

no he isnt as good , he is however better than most we have got imo and just cos he played for us in the past so what!!!!!!! he will strengthen a weak looking squad, even more so now gary mac gone. again it is my opinion then we were a better team when he was last here than we are now. carlisle getting rid doesnt bother me in the slightest, it is all about opinions. my point is he will increase options in the squad, end of. if that is me looking to the past then so be it but one word comes to mind when thinking of whom me may or may not get(and murray may not even be in frame) and that is realism.

Tierry Henry is magic, he wears a magic hat...............................................................

 

I think we need to know who's gonna be at Latics first!

i loved him when he was here, but he is now getting on and has had bad injurys, it has to be a no for me

 

as for allot he left as a bad striker and and came back a midfielder and still has years on his side and no bad injurys to contend with (touch wood)

 

what position does murray now play and is he any younger?

 

please stop using allott as an example as a reason to sign former players back, its a crappy example unless the player left us when he was 21 - 22 and has learnt how to adapt his game to extend his career, murrey cant do that

i think its laughable that people use his injury record as an excuse for him not being as good as he was any more and therefore not wanting him back. if that is the case then dare i suggest that we get rid of most of our squad, some of whom have had quite bad injuries and been out a while. he isnt getting any younger no and no he isnt the same classy player we had, but nor are we the same team. imo why not try and get him on a pay as you play deal, we wouldnt lose anything then.

I'd say Jarrett would be a much better player to have than him or Gary Mac, who has gone to a team much better than Gretna.

and to be honest yes, i agree with that. i think losing gary mac is a blow, and if we could make some kinda deal for jj then great, he has shown he could be quite an asset to the club but i am not too sure that will happen for whatever reason. even if it did i still think murray would add depth to our squad and for me that is what will get us out of this league.

It'd be like going backwards, there's a reason he's at Gretna...I don't think he's the quality of player who would get us out of this division.

please.....we are in the 3rd tier of football, imo Murray is better than most of the players we have on our books already. I respect your opinion but who in your eyes do you think we can attract here to get us out of this division? I would be most interested to hear.

A quality player imo is Murray, i am not one of those who think it would be a step back. We need to be realistic and realise that players like Murray are pretty much the top of our limits in terms of players we are going to attract here and i cannot understand how people can say he would not add to our squad.

Not sure it's such a good idea to expect him to be the same player he was at the beginning of the 2000's but he could certainly offer a lot more than the likes of Lidds or JP and i doubt he would want much more than those 2 and his contribution in my eyes would be so much more worthy.

I would be delighted if he was to come back as i think he would really strengthen our squad no end.

Hold on, 4 mil is 4 mil no matter where it gets pumped into the club? How could it be anything but a good thing? And the likelyhood is that it would certainly ease the majority of our problems! I think it is very much a wait and see who City get in, if appears that it may become a bit of a debacle I'm sure no self respecting potential England regular will hang around, cue one of the 'big 4'

also i just want to say that i dont like the idea that people have that it will sort the majority of our problems, it wont cos money we have recieved in the past never has done and why should it be any different. i just hope if it it does come off that we dont go daft with wages etc and get us in aposition like a certain ex chairman who suddenly realised he had, had enough and did one.

Hold on, 4 mil is 4 mil no matter where it gets pumped into the club? How could it be anything but a good thing? And the likelyhood is that it would certainly ease the majority of our problems! I think it is very much a wait and see who City get in, if appears that it may become a bit of a debacle I'm sure no self respecting potential England regular will hang around, cue one of the 'big 4'

you have mis-quoted me somewhat, i never said it would not be good thing, i said it would not be the end of our problems to being solvent or a recipe for mass investement like it appears some people on here think it will be. i also wanted to make the point that its something we shouldnt get our hopes up on. if it gets pumped into a stand that could take god knows how long to build then i imagine there will be more than a few disgruntled people on here.

no disrespect but we shouldnt be thinking that the possible sale of micah will solve all our problems, it wont. if he does go and we get 4million then i doubt we would see more than around 500,000 ploughed into club, yes that is substantial for us but having read Blitz end of season statement i think the rest would be put towards the new stand and attempts to balnce the books. it just seems a bit of a false dawn, by the same token if he doesnt go, are we doomed? I doubt it very much

At least latics are trying to build for the future realistically. Doncaster are basically a non league outfit with mega rich owners, so you are right, OAAFC can't compete with them for that reason. Its a b*llache, but there it is

now im not a big donny lover but please

Fair enough. I had considered that but it was you saying "have you ever tried to buy or SELL" which made me think you deemed them high....you would have no doubt managed to sell you apartment for 80k!

Also the use of the term 'ludicrous', I thought, confirmed my suspicion....things are usually ludicrously expensive as opposed to ludicrously cheap.

 

That aside though im sure the people involved have a fairly accurate idea of the potential revenue/profit to be generated.

my fault, didnt make myself clear. i used the word ludicrous in context of a previous poster saying that the apartments that were slated to be built would only sell for 80,000-100,000 and he made the point that the fact that more houses were now being considered would actually fetch more money. he may well end up being correct , it is just my experience that a house will not always sell for more than an apartment. thats that cleared up!!

thats my point, you cant not round shaw, royton or most other palces so thats why the figures just wont add up for the tta's initial plans. im assuming they will be looking to do something similar to the baldwins close estate in royton and i have just sold an apartment on their for over 140,000 and its just 2 rooms, the houses on there have actually sold for cheaper in a couple of cases, so financially the figures wont add up now they have palns for houses instead of the 600 and odd luxury apartments.

shocking spelling, my apologies

Blimey. Where can you get a new apartment for much less than 80k?? Please tell me.....id like one, sorry, some.

thats my point, you cant not round shaw, royton or most other palces so thats why the figures just wont add up for the tta's initial plans. im assuming they will be looking to do something similar to the baldwins close estate in royton and i have just sold an apartment on their for over 140,000 and its just 2 rooms, the houses on there have actually sold for cheaper in a couple of cases, so financially the figures wont add up now they have palns for houses instead of the 600 and odd luxury apartments.

as regards the number of properties being scaled back, the 650 took into account only appartments. the new figure of 350 takes into account 3 and 4 bedroom homes. it doesnt take a genious to work out the average price of an appartment is around £80,000-100,000, while a 4 bedroom home will go for £170,000-£200,000, meaning the number of units has changed, but the final income from all the units added together is probably not that far off.

im assuming you have never tried to buy or sell an apartment based on those ridiculous quotes you mention,. ludicrous springs to mind. there will be a shortfall on the scaled back plans without question.

When will some mindless people realize that we cannot afford to be fined for their idiotic runs onto the field every season... Apparently mainly kids this time but surely their parents should tell them to stay off!!

what parents, i saw so many kids wandering around on their own, dunno if it was a schools thing and god knows where the adult supervision was.

Decent crowd.

 

If the performances throughout the season had been better then they'd be there week in, week out.

 

Perhaps that late Alessandra goal will add 500 on to season ticket sales.

cant see that to be honest, was packed with kids who probably all wont come again unless there parents bring them and i didnt see many of them with their kids today, good to see the kids there though and even if it puts a couple of hundred on attendance in future then its better than nothing i spose.

When judging the manager at end of the season you have to take into account all the curve balls which where thrown during that season...

 

In my opinion we have moved forward this season. There isnt many of the current playing staff who wont be here next term. Allott was a great buy, Davies looks promising, Hughes did well all things considered, a number of the kids look good who where given chances. When you factor in we lost Wellens and Porter in the summer so there were big loses for any league one side + the injurieies this season has been a resonable success. We have a good basis to build on for the first time in years.

 

As Edhunter says, its black and white in football fans heads. Well that dosent make it right. Got to judge managers fairly.

 

I would be happy next term if we create competion for every place and we have a sqaud big enough with enough qauility to withstand a fair amount of injuries. Im not going to judge shez off the final league postion, thats just plain stupid. Its going to be even tougher league next season looking at whats coming down and whats going up from league two.

 

No doubt none of this matters to most of you lot and you will judge him off if we get a play off spot or not.... I seriously question if thats the correct way to judge a manager... history says it isnt anyway....

I take everything you say on board and im envious of you in the fact you will not judge Shez or any manager based on their results. Fair play to you, you have more patience than most which is not detracting from you.

What i will say and its an often heard cliche is that football is a results driven game nowadays, and we are no different. I dont think there is any harm in people wanting to see a little more from us given that Shez has been here 3 years and we have whatever way you look at it , gone backwards this year.

Thats such a black and white way of looking at it and typical of most football fan.

 

There is every chance we will be competing in a league next year made up of a mixture of:

 

Leicester

Southampton

Sheff Wed

Forest

Leeds

 

All of which will have a greater ability to attract the best players and to pay the most money.

 

Now no matter how good of a squad Shez puts together if we have a similar seasons with injuries then we could of move forward but just have had bad look.

 

These arent excuses, its called judging on the merits of the situation....

 

Its totally blinkered to say if we finish in the top ten we havent moved forward....

it would be interesting if you quantified what you would consider a succesful season for us next year! im sure as hell not going to be happy paying to watch us finish mid table yet again, for me that is failure.

realistically we have regressed this season, whatever the reason is it is plain fact and as has been debated on this thread elsewhere the table will show that. we havent been good enough and there in no getting away from that fact.

next season is going to be a massive challenge with all the former prem clubs in there but we seriously need to step up and the likes of lidds and stef are not up to it imo