Ackey

59 minutes ago, daniel said:

Only 1800 at Rochdale last night must be a concern for any new potential investor/ owner. I reckon we had games under AL with similar attendances, but were never announced as such. 
Hopefully they sort themselves out, they were always deemed to be a club who were well ran, so not sure what has gone wrong there. 

‘It is bleak’: Rochdale fight to survive in shadow of Ratcliffe’s £1.3bn deal | Rochdale | The Guardian

3 hours ago, yarddog73 said:

...I wish he'd kiss the badge and balloon about like some of the others but that's just not him and I respect that...

I respect it too. And I'm certainly not of the opinion that he's over-rated or should be dropped, as some seem to be.

However, there's validity to the argument that he could and should be bringing more to the team. If you look at people like Palmer and Mullin at Wrexham and how they've not just done the business but are focal points for the team's ethos... he could be asked to do more of that. Now, each person is their own... well, person... and it's reasonable that's just not his personality - so I won't chastise him for it, but it would still be nice to see it. There's power in the grey area, we don't have to think in absolutes. 

OK - this thread wasn't that bad, hence the quick clean up. I like the essence and the tone is light hearted. Let's keep it that way, no naming-names or calling people out specifically please. Make the quote but don't turn this in to a 'right v wrong' thread or the calling out of people for differing (right, wrong or other) opinions.

I doubt this will last long, these things rarely do, but I'm willing to give everyone a crack at it. 

Give me a minute. 

For about 6 different reasons. 

On 2/13/2024 at 11:19 AM, Ackey said:

...all of those are vastly aided by the centralised and heavily-regulated public transport system.  

A lovely video about the vital community services possible when joined up transport with non-profit regulations exists. The fear of a metropolis somehow stealing a community's identify further undermined.

(Not that I'm a transit nerd or anything... honest...) 

15 hours ago, spanishfly said:

To bounce it gently back your way.... "and that right there is how they get you."

Wouldn't argue for one second about any of that - completely agree. 

15 hours ago, spanishfly said:

Anyhow, here's hoping for 3 points tonight.  

Never in doubt!

1 hour ago, spanishfly said:

Each to their own Ackey but I have no desire whatsoever to unite with Manchester.

And that right there is how they get you. Your enemy isn't your neighbour with the 99% same life experience as you but a slight difference in accent or the preference for a different football team.

3 minutes ago, Ackey said:

London still has incredibly distinct local areas, vibes, accents, cultures, etc. etc. and all of those are vastly aided by the centralised and heavily-regulated public transport system. Some of London's most distinct local cultures are within the very heart of it, equally I know people who live 30 minutes from central London on the train and have been there a handful of times in their lives - they are in their 60's. 

 

If you don't like Burnham for any reason, crack on. But the idea that centralised and regulated transport is bad for the burb's couldn't be more wrong. 

Oh, and you may find that people from London say that when abroad or what-not. But in London itself I've rarely found anyone who wouldn't say "south east", "east end", "Hammersmith", etc.etc. Similar to how I would say "Manchester" to someone on holiday, but "Oldham" to someone actually from the area. 

I guess what I'm saying is, worry less about uniting with our neighbours (including Manchester) to build something bigger and stronger, and more about those that have it but won't share it.  

On 2/9/2024 at 11:15 PM, spanishfly said:

Heavily involved in the whole idea. In my opinion, he's very "Manchester centric" to the detriment of the satellite towns. This is just another example. The Manchester megalomaniacs generally want places like Oldham, Stockport, Bury etc to be seen as simply suburbs of the metropolis (think London). 

London still has incredibly distinct local areas, vibes, accents, cultures, etc. etc. and all of those are vastly aided by the centralised and heavily-regulated public transport system. Some of London's most distinct local cultures are within the very heart of it, equally I know people who live 30 minutes from central London on the train and have been there a handful of times in their lives - they are in their 60's. 

If you don't like Burnham for any reason, crack on. But the idea that centralised and regulated transport is bad for the burb's couldn't be more wrong. 

Fuck it, it's just easier. 

On 1/12/2024 at 3:46 PM, Lee Sinnott said:

Would hardly say without fuss. It was all over the news...

On 1/12/2024 at 4:15 PM, disjointed said:

I may be wrong, but I don't think it was the clubs fault it was all over the news, that was down to Reid himself. The club handled it well without hanging anyone out to dry. 

What Dis said. I think the past this would have rumbled on for weeks. Now we're very well run. You won't see us being as unprofessional as before. No downsides at all right now. We've nothing to worry about. 

[Checks Scores]

1 hour ago, Monty Burns said:

TeaTime has confirmed the club has dealt with Reid and that he has completed his [seven day] suspension and is back in the fold. however, he is unavailable for selection due to injury.

see you soon Reidy

Sounds like an entirely sensible, just and commensurate punishment handled professionally and without fuss.

Are we sure this was us? 

21 hours ago, L1onheartNew said:

Disagree there.

AFLs ruckmen are judged off their hit outs in the ruck. It's all very well having 72 hit outs, but if 60 of them go to the opposition, the opposing ruckman may as well just sit down, have a beer and light up.

 

It's only this last two years where they have started using hitouts to advantage and the numbers are way down.

 

Elite is bandied around far too often for average players of any sport.

I watch a bit of it, but I certainly can't speak about AFL stats, never mind the underlying data science. 

At the elite level in football (for argument's sake, let's say the PL and Champions League) they are certainly capably of analysis way beyond "he kicked it" or "he didn't kick it". To the point JSS makes above, as a convenient example - at an elite level, statistics would show that Kitching's crosses led to goals, even if that was indirectly.  

21 hours ago, Hemel latic said:

I always like to read between the lines with MM and he makes a point about his personality as well as his playing ability

Port Vale stars launch charity to help disadvantaged youngsters access coaching - (stokesentinel.co.uk) -

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New registered charity Pro Level Vision aims to support children from low-income households, children who have experienced abuse or neglect, children in care, young carers and children who have special educational needs or disabilities.

 

Pro Level Vision plans to offer weekly group sessions at Pro Level Academy at Keele University on Tuesdays and Thursdays, school-based group sessions and bespoke programmes focussed on coaching and confidence building in young offender institutions and local authority secure children's homes, including kit and football boots for youngsters to participate.

 

Seems like a decent guy.

5 minutes ago, Dave_Og said:

The big question is always how stats are interpreted.  Passes completed, and the like, is all very well but if they're five yard passes in your own half when you're two nil behind I'd rather not bother

Most of the stats (at least at the elite level) account for this kind of thing. 

"Recently" = "A decade or more", no? It's perhaps continuing down a road of less and less contact, but it's not new. 

That said, it's also arguable that the speed of the game has changed and that minimal contact can and does lead to decisions that look like live dives until you consider what you'd do if someone lightly tapped your ankle whilst you were running full-tilt.

It's an imperfect world, with imperfect rules and imperfect application of them.

I thought Jackanory was the story? Or was it Morning Glory? I know for sure it was written by Daniel Storey.

Story.

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2024/jan/06/former-australian-spy-alisdair-putt-61-dies-during-worlds-toughest-row-across-the-atlantic

14 hours ago, Longlostfan said:

Nice write up at their end

https://mickleoverfc.com/its-the-big-one-oldham-athletic-a/

They know more about our team than I do, that's for sure.

14 hours ago, rudemedic said:

Nice but quite a lot of factual inaccuracies.

So much so that I'd have absolutely no clue about a single one of these. 

2 hours ago, Monty Burns said:

it was actually so thorough that l got bored half way thruough it!!!

But then to be fair I got as far as Magnus and gave up.

3 hours ago, wiseowl said:

All donations are welcome, of course, but let's not get carried away with a donation of about £1600 from people with a combined net worth of circa £175m. It's the equivalent to someone with a net worth of £250,000 (i.e. equity on his house and savings etc) chipping in £2.26.

That's a very unreasonable comparison, to start with. But beyond that, and as @mick26 said above, they are both known for quite considerable charitable efforts (if that's genuine altruism or branding who knows?) - including the McElhenney's recently donating $100k to the Eagles Autism Foundation.

It's easy and tempting to cast aspersions. 

1 hour ago, wiseowl said:

Agreed. Which is why they (and others) should be rested for the tinpot trophy. Couldn't bear the thought of some non-league clogger breaking Norwood's shin! 

Unfortunately at this stage in Latics' turgid history we play non-league cloggers every week mate!  

1 hour ago, League one forever said:

I’m looking at or for the fundamentals, and can you see the patterns of play being worked on and then being improved.... but our shape was very good out of possession, we pressed really well as a team, and still carried a threat on the counter.

I really like this point, and said similar to my dad. He'd said "we suddenly look a lot fitter" and I countered with a similar point to yours - we're not fitter, we're just running more. And I don't mean the classic headless chicken shit. In the games I saw under Undsworth we'd sit deep and not press. Yesterday we sat deep, sure, but we pressed and harried every single play, top to bottom. That was a huge difference maker in how the game went.

Even when Kanu was rinsing us, they were not getting an outrageous number of gilt-edged chances because we pressed the ball when he passed it. 

Game changing for this style of play.

13 minutes ago, Guy Branston Pickle said:

Incredibly specific question but anyone know a bar in Palma that would show it?

Not specifically, but there is fuck all else on today football-wise, so I expect anywhere with a PremierLeague/sports/tv vibe could be a goer.

57 minutes ago, oafc1955 said:

Incidentally, I haven’t seen any evidence from the club to suggest the ruling out of further transfers either.

And shipping Tollitt out on loan would seem a likely step towards that.