monkeykieran

I had goonyella e/w - he placed 5th - does that I mean I win something?

Will Watt must be a tad confused right now

Cheers I had a scout round the site but missed that, it's early!

https://republic.org.uk/what-we-want/royal-finances

https://republic.org.uk/what-we-want/monarchy-myth-buster/its-good-tourism

More detailed info elsewhere.

Sorry back to to immigrant bashing...

On a side note about the monarchy, are they not net contributors to the economy when you factor in their estates and tourism vs what they cost us? Not fans of the elitism and privilege etc but without them what would a lot of overseas visitors come to Britain to see?!

Instead of leaving the eu we should be having referendums on the far more pointless, costly, and ethically unsound things that we are forced to endure as relics of the middle ages and before:

1) Monarchy

2) Religious privilege and power

For more info on why, try a look here:

https://republic.org.uk/

http://www.secularism.org.uk

Im sure you all have access to websites and newspapers full of facts and opinions so i wont bore you with repetition of these. But a few points important to me not mentioned:

- many of the population of this country are more alligned to being "european" than "british" - and I'm not just talking about foreign nationals. Humans are millions of years old - our genetic lineage is not originally from this island - we are all immigrants and our nation is a flash in the pan of our European journey so far.

- many brits like to hold Britain/uk/england up on a pedestal for some strange reason (always highly amusing to most Germans, Dutch, Belgians etc that I meet who don't have the same weird arrogance) - it is nowhere near the richest country per capita amonest eu, or nowhere near best gdp per capita, life satisfaction, health, sevices and more. It happens to also have the most shocking inequality differences on many measures in the world, whereas Eu at large is one of the more equal regions of the world (see "the spirit level" by Richard wilkinson for more on why this is an important issue to consider)

- the Scots voted to stay part of Britain, as a Britain in Europe. They would have a mandate for a further referendum if Britain left the eu. As a highly europhile region they would vote to stay in eu and would inevitable leave Britain- not only would this have an enourmous (negative) political and financial effect for the rest of the UK directly it would also take away a huge percentage of the parliamentary constituencies that are generally non-tory (even more if this would have further devolution triggers for Wales or other areas) - this would effectively leave us as a one party country (happy days if you're a tory - I am not). If we had real PR voting this would be less of an issue.

- having worked for a german-French financial company based in canary wharf protecting the risks of trade between companies globally - I have a fair insight into how regions and politics and changes in governments and laws affect trade. Many people often complain that London is disroportinately wealthy in the UK- true - but there is one reason why the rest of the country even has anywhere near the opportunities it has and that is because London is the global financial centre (this is so much more significant than the in campaign talking about effects to exports for leaving eu - which is in itself massive - if you don't work in export you're unlikely to know about the global picture of our wealth - but the public are hardly going to back bankers after 2009). I hate bankers and banking as much as the rest of us - but the simple fact is that it makes our world (britain) go round. Should we leave the EU this would be the beginning of the end for London being this hub. Maybe finally Britain will then realise we are the middle rate once-was country we actually are - so that won't be a bad thing (to me as someone who is not finally motivated) - but it will bring us backwards compared to shanghai, new York, and in europe frankfurt and Paris and their respective countries and regions.

-the argument is all about money to most (and for the naive, less travelled or flat out racist amongst us - immigrants) - for me its a human argument whereby the eu stands for solidarity and commonality based on shared values and ethics. To want to leave says "*we're different and better than you and we'll be better off without you all"

we aren't and we won't be.

There are many reasons for why we should leave that I agree with, but many people voting to leave are basing decisions on irrational or unbalanced responses to immigration, finance and constitution. I for one hope this (*) little tantrum doesn't haunt the public of this nation for the generations to come until we inevitably come back into the fold again

Some remedial comments on here which mirrors my concerns of a thoroughly uninformed public - a public who actually consider umip to be a serious political party. Bonkers

Those who want to leave Europe should get on a plane and leave the rest of us to it.

Sometimes I reaffirm my pride in humanity - on Saturday I received a replacement Latics Bovis home shirt for the one that was stolen from me about 5 years ago, all the way from Australia!

Thank you TragicAussie

It's not all bad today.

 

Blackpool 2 - 0 Southend.......Very Bad result

Chesterfield 4 - 2 Port Vale...Very bad result

Colchester 0 - 0 Millwall......Not too bad

Peterborough 3 - 0 Crewe......Excellent result

Rochdale 2 - 2 Doncaster.......Under circumstances, adn such a late equaliser, OK result.

Shrewsbury 1 - 5 Wigan.........Good result

Swindon 1 - 1 Fleetwood Town...Ideal result

Blackpool 2 - 0 Southend.......Bad result

Chesterfield 4 - 2 Port Vale...Bad result

Colchester 0 - 0 Millwall......irrelevant result

Peterborough 3 - 0 Crewe......irrelevant result

Rochdale 2 - 2 Doncaster....... Bad result

Shrewsbury 1 - 5 Wigan.........Good result

Swindon 1 - 1 Fleetwood Town...Bad result

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My long term partner absolutely hates football, she refuses to be in the same room as it on the TV (which is very infrequent because she normally gets in a mood for a few hours if I watch it in the main TV viewing room), she would never go to a match with me "too cold", thinks Oldham (the town) is "disgusting" so has never and would never go there (kind of agree with her - sorry), she refused to even look at the screen when Oldham were playing on Sky on Sunday, she has no idea that Oldham are in a different league to Man City or the Netherlands...her dad spent time in prison when she was a child for something he did at a football match, I think this is related.

Why do you think we're not married?!

What a great game to watch - this team with this manager surely shouldnt go down?!! Definitely better than the top of the table club in both halves in all positions and thats away from home!

I agree with the sky commentator maybe wed be in a better position if our pitch was in a better state

 

But somehow council tax is mainly cheaper in the richer rather than the deprived areas, nothing to do with the Tories of course.

Less need for expensive services like policing, social services, health etc.

Great result and bonus result for Fleetwood - not a bad evening!

Tonight?

Woops - tomorrow - can you buy tickets on the door?

I might go tonight - havent been since before xmas - can you buy tickets on the door?

2 tickets please!

Only one I have! it fits just - purchased by my father when he went there for work - used to deal with Oldham batteries over at Denton. Drove across manchester to club shop to get it for me. Nearly got last years shirt - but decided against it. Stay up ill buy next years if i like the colour. Sadly my trips to UK are in summer - well been there once and will come again. Next year might be across in february though

Yeah i got one in oz - have to check size tonight. What you after it for? happy to send - takes about two weeks to get there though

\Have a go yourself and see http://www.thefishy.co.uk/calculator0.php?Competition=3

I believe the automated algorithm does just that, and there is also a "random factor", and I agree that had I also included my predictions for colchester they would be bottom...(and Oldham 3rd from bottom)

I put in my predicted results (just for Oldham - others are predicted automaticallt on form) into a calculator - I hope im wrong...

1 Burton Albion 46 +16 86 2 Millwall 46 +19 80 3 Wigan 46 +19 75 4 Walsall 46 +10 74 5 Bradford 46 +8 74 6 Gillingham 46 +16 72 7 Barnsley 46 +13 72 8 Rochdale 46 +1 69 9 Coventry 46 +19 68 10 Bury 46 -6 68 11 Swindon 46 +7 67 12 Sheffield Utd 46 +4 67 13 Southend 46 +1 64 14 Scunthorpe 46 -1 63 15 Port Vale 46 -4 61 16 Fleetwood Town 46 +4 60 17 Peterborough 46 +1 59 18 Shrewsbury 46 -13 56 19 Chesterfield 46 -11 52 20 Doncaster 46 -11 50 21 Oldham 46 -15 47 22 Crewe 46 -22 45 23 Colchester 46 -35 45 24 Blackpool 46 -20 42

http://www.thefishy.co.uk/calculator0.php?Competition=3

I'm after a medium Bovis shirt if anyone has one?

Hughsey