Tommy_Fent

I would personally rather Notts stay up than Tranmere but if we're not going to try on Saturday then I'm not going to bother turning up

I'm not sure, that'd require an additional 2,000 Oldhamers to get off their arse and support their local team compared to what we already get. I'd expect around 4,000 home fans and just over 3,000 away fans

As much as I enjoy Crewe away I think it'll be them who go down, they've got the toughest game on Saturday. I think Tranmere will beat Bradford, love them or hate them I couldn't imagine a League One season without them in there, it's a bit like Groundhog day going to Prenton Park (and I'm sure their fans feel the same about our place)

I don't hate Chesterfield, I just hate the fact they're a side we never seem to beat

By and large, home fans don't want to sit in the away end even if it is a utopia (it isn't. It's a no frills stand with basic facilities. I think that's how the press release about it described it before it was built.) For 15 of the 16 league games that home fans could go in it, it has been about 1/4 full. Some games, like Rotherham, there can't have been more than 400 in. The biggest crowd in there was Brentford, and even then it was no more than half full. So for plenty of games where fans have a choice to sit in there, they aren't choosing it en masse.

 

They most certainly shouldn't be moved out of there for some (probably any) games though. It pisses of fans who do want to sit in there and and usually there's no real need for it.

 

But fans who turn up every week and want to sit in the home end aren't holding the club back. And the Chaddy End being the home stand isn't costing us thousands of fans. The gaping hole that is finally being filled and 17 years of third division football with little prospect of promotion is what has been costing us thousands of fans.

I think the Brentford game was a big eye opener to some of us and showed what the ground can be like with a half decent vocal support in there. But on the other hand, like you said, the other 15 games this season it has been empty and I beleive that this has made the decision for the club. If you want to stay in the RRE then I beleive you have to put your money where your mouth is, the club is a buisness at the end of the day, if more fans buy season tickets in the Chaddy then it's a no brainer as to which stand gets the priority. I for one will probably move in there next season, but I have a feeling it will be the last time I will be given the opportunity

Probably getting one and probably moving to the RRE

I'd love us to sign these players up, but don't forget that the agents will have (too much of) a say on the matter

how bad is it that I only recognise 6 out of those 11 players?

It never used to be like this, either I've got a life and focused on things other than Football Manager and who are the best League One players, or the decent players at this level don't stick out like they used to

Promotion

with excpetion to the obvious

...with exception to the obvious of course like promotion, 20 goal a season striker, a 4th stand, billionaire takeover etc

For me I'd start with:-

The current back four to be in the first choice starting XI

A winger or midfielder with an end product i.e. doesn't take too many touches and can deliver a killer ball

For the inevitable Four Four Two prediction for us to get relegated to be stuck to the home dressing room door

To put in at least a half decent display up at Vale Park

No to draw Chesterfield in the JPT

To only move the fans from the Rochdale Road End if the expected away following is going to be more than 2000 fans

To not get any sub-3000 home attendances

The one to the tune of Simply The Best? That's a bad one. I think you suggested a better one about Harkins a while ago but it never caught on for some reason - I liked it anyway.

 

If anyone could be arsed to think of some words, there's a song to be sung about Wes to tune of The Animals Went In Two By Two - the one that Liverpool used to sing about Torres.

 

If we had players for longer than a season we'd probably have better songs rather than resorting to generic ones or repeating Oh When The Blues all game.

This is exactly why player songs don't really work for us anymore

Me and a few others suggested a few new ones related the club and a few seem to have have caught on but most of them will struggle and it's hard to remember most of them when you've had a skinfull like a lot of us did yesterday

I'm delighted that the Derby Arms and that Chip Shop will be visited again

I do agree that the "I want to go home song" is awful. But how many people who criticise what is sung actually try and get something going? If you really don't want to hear it you should try and drown it out with something like the Gary Harkins song. These dull songs tend to come out when either the game, the atmosphere or in most cases both is flat

this is a pic a Carlisle fan posted on Twitter, on reflection I'd have said slightly more than 733 myself but no by too much

I'd have only have had a problem if it was sponsored by some company that would make us look Tinpot like "The John's Dry Cleaning Stadium" or "The Tony's Carwash Arena"

 

It is the away end and always was.

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If you got the same match day experience in both stands then fair enough. The fact is you don't. The RRE has no restricted view, in the chaddy you spend your time ducking round the posts. Taking my 6 yr old daughter to the cov game was a nightmare. Toilet facilities are poor for a young girl, the view is poor, atmosphere is poor no matter how hard everybody tries. Why on earth should you condemn your own supporters to the poorest facilities. For me it shows a complete lack of insight and understanding of the fans match day requirements from the latics hierarchy. Granted there is a need to maximise match day income for the club but for as long as the current policy exists I will not be renewing our RRE season tickets and will pick my games where I can sit in my preferred stand with the facilities that best suit our needs.

I agree with what you're saying but the club is a business at the end of the day. Unless you can find a way to prove that the club misses out on a substantial amount of income by moving fans, then the only conclusive figures they will listen to are the amount of tickets they sell. As it stands it seems that we are not selling enough tickets in there, otherwise the fans in there wouldn't have been moved 10 times in the past season. If you really want the club to listen with regards to this situation then we need to sell more season tickets in the RRE. If nobody buys season tickets in there then you'll be making the clubs decision for them in the end, just like in the 90's when nobody sat in there. If the demand isn't there then they will just close it off. I believe it is the best stand for home support and I think it was pretty clear that it was louder at the Brentford game than any other league game this season, so much so that it has convinved me to buy a season ticket in there next year. My only hope is that other people will follow my lead, otherwise it'll be back to being the away end only when the new stand is built which would be a massive shame.

I'm very disappointed with the clubs decision, I've been meaning to sit in the Rocky for the last couple of months, but I've never been given the chance to. I don't think people are too bothered when we've expected a big away following it's when we do it against Crawley or when only 500 Coventry fans turn up when it gets people backs up. I think the only way the club will listen is if we sell more season tickets in the Rocky next season than what we normally do, it'll be harder for them to move the home fans in that case.

Having spent nearly 6 months living in Birmingham I can assure people that it certainly isn't grim everywhere up North. Some Southerners are just very ignorant, let that be their problem.

I think our close proximity to Manchester helps us attract players if anything. I think where we might fall down is things like Training Facilities and of course the fact we only get just over 3000 fans through the gate.

I don't really have much dislike for Tranmere, they're just like us as far as I'm concerned. I'm just bored of us playing them, I'd be glad to see the back of them for a while in place of a new ground like Fleetwood or Oxford

Some may think I'm being defeatist, but I still look back with pride that I got to see my team play at Wembley in the Semi-Final of a major cup competition. That's what I'll take from the day

There is that feeling in the back of my mind when I've heard it in the last few games along the lines of "do we have to sing this every year?"

between 800 to 1000 I'm guessing

Yep, people were stood on isles then they were moved and made to share seats. Over capacity.

I spent the 2nd half stood in a little section to the side with about 20 or so other fans because where I was 1st half we had more people on our row than what there were seats

728 sold according to the ticket office, only 1,500 allocated as they're got meshing over seats at the front