Andy b

Just now, Andy b said:

Not yet committed to a next move but options are on the table. Meeting tomorrow night. Something will be communicated thereafter.

 

thanks

Incidently, welcome views of others on next move.

Provisionally we have a fan meeting on or before 20th (as per the letter). That may go ahead even if AL doesn’t want to attend. 

2 hours ago, LaticsLegend said:

What's the trust's next move if he doesn't respond in a timely manner?

 

Can't wait forever so I assume there is a plan? Apologies in advance if I've missed it.

Not yet committed to a next move but options are on the table. Meeting tomorrow night. Something will be communicated thereafter.

thanks

3 minutes ago, kowenicki said:

 

With respect, didn’t we have that under Corney? How did it help? 

 

 

New owner, new approach based on being more visible in what we are asking of the owner and open about whether we are getting that. Fan-led.

we need people to sign up to the trust to give us a louder voice though. 

2 minutes ago, kowenicki said:

 

Yes they did, and yes it did achieve nothing.  You can’t just ignore that. People need to understand it’s limited effects. I’m not saying you are promoting it, but people may well look to you for leadership and direction if this progresses. Indeed they already are in this thread. 

 

The protests stated in early 2017 I believe over the alleged ‘theft’ of 90m from the club by Oyston and intensified when Oyston starting abusing and suing fans.  

 

The boycott finished a few weeks ago after Oyston lost control through admin forced by the foreign owner.  He didn’t do that because of a boycott, he did it because he wanted his share of the cash OUT of the club or Oyston. So 2 years of protests with zero results. 

 

Blackpool (and charlton) went to the EFL to complain about their protests not being listened to in early 2018. Nothing happened. EFL not interested. 

Fair points you make.

nothing is off the table going forward though and whilst blackpool’s protest may not be directly responsible for their rebirth you have to admire their resilience and focus on trying to get their club back. They had a well defined cause which fans almost universally understood and bought into. The anomaly of a promotion didn’t blow them off course.

My overall point is that we need to focus on the bigger picture of how our club is run and it’s long term viability. Short term improvement on the pitch shouldn’t distract us though admitidly it might have a bearing on the steps we take and the way we go about furthering our cause.

horses for courses.

5 minutes ago, kowenicki said:

 

Blackpool's boycott achieved nothing. 

 

Blackpool changed because one of the owners sued the other for millions and forced admin.  The absent and incumbent owners didn’t give a stuff about the boycott or the fans. I do wish people would stop using Blackpool as an example, it’s a really poor one for our situation. 

Didn’t say it did achieve anything and I am not promoting a boycott.

I merely pointed out that the boycott was maintained despite on the pitch success in response to someone questioning whether another poster would realistically maintain their personal boycott if we went up.

Point being that Blackpool’s protest was about the ownership and manner in which the club was run. They remained focused on the bigger picture despite success on the pitch.

24 minutes ago, another fan said:

So it's late in the evening and please correct me if I am wrong but I appear to be hearing that if Latics win every game from now on, won promotion and started off next season like a house on fire then one or two would still not watch home games until the present owner had moved on.

 

Blackpool got promoted and it made little difference to their crowds. Boycott was maintained 

1 minute ago, kowenicki said:

 

Dont disagree. But money matters far more. Not good to hear, but it’s just a sad fact I’m afraid. A club can appear well run when money is thrown at it when in reality it just isn’t. 

 

(Oh... and no... Scholes wouldn’t have )

 

Lets hope we we can have both.  But if pushed, I’d take a big money owner over a perfectly run club at the moment. Unfortunately we appear to have neither. 

 

 

Yes money would be a game changer, guaranteed. In the meantime fans and the trust can only focus on what is in their power. Ie encouraging the current owner to take steps to make sure he is creating the conditions within the club which ensure it has a future and is able to achieve its full potential within its limited means.

1 minute ago, kowenicki said:

 

Hmmm. Not sure that stands scrutiny. 

 

I think most (not all) clubs that have been successful have just had tons of money thrown at them.  That’s not the same as being run well. Bournemouth is a very good example. Bolton is another. There are lots of others.  Even ones run well have usually spent big due to a significant backer. 

I did not say being run well results in or assures success.

but, I can assure you that the chances of achieving success, in lieu of a well heeled backer, are dramatically increased if this club were is run responsibly and sustainably and in a positive manner.

Oafc is toxic. Has been for years. We had the makings of a good side and good manager in Johnson. He saw sense. Ditto scholes (whether he had the makings of a good manager I don’t know). 

the off pitch environment is a major hindrrence to achieving anything. That’s not just down to the current owner. 

3 minutes ago, simplythemostimportantkick said:

It’s about the hope of winning though isn’t it ? I know what you mean but success has got to be the ultimate goal or there’s no point. 

Yes it’s ultimately about winning.

but the teams that win (ie achieve something) are almost always those that are well run and have a stable and sustainable existence. If follows that we have to focus on that. 

If this club achieved that existence the prospects of winning would increase significantly.

That we haven’t achieved anything for 28 years is, to a very significant degree, down to how this business has been run by its various owners.

its no good saying that you only car about winning. How about focusing on the conditions (largely off the pitch) which are conducive to that 

3 minutes ago, latics22 said:

Yes

Let’s be clear that our current approach of  making the owner feel our presence and and winning on the pitch are not mutually exclusive. 

Vocal match day protest may destabilise on the pitch output but our current approach need not.

i can’t condone turning a blind eye just because we are performing on the pitch right now. Any campaign will never gain momentum if we take that approach. We have to stick to our guns whilst approaching this in a responsible manner.

7 minutes ago, kowenicki said:

 

Most?  Zero chance. Not until it’s over. I suspect you’ll even come up against hostility to any action whilst we try to sneak the playoffs. 

 

 

Thanks for the edit. That answers my q’s. 

Trust meet on Monday and there will be much debate about this

1 minute ago, kowenicki said:

 

Most?  Zero chance. 

Most believe our current approach is necessary. Would you agree with that? Not trying to challenge just want to understand your thoughts on this.

Or are you suggesting most think the trust have done the wrong thing or simply that most are indifferent?

3 minutes ago, kowenicki said:

 

Whilst we remain in the hunt I’d say it’s impossible. 

I give our fans a bit more credit than that. 

not saying there is appetite for a vocal protest, or indeed that that’s approrpriate in any case, but our more assertive approach will be backed by most notwithstanding results, I believe 

1 minute ago, kowenicki said:

 

Yes, but any thoughts of protests at any of the remaining games (whilst play offs remain a possibility) is madness. It’s also massively disrespectful to the players and manager whose efforts have been immense the last 3 games. 

 

I know you haven’t spoken about protests, but if you don’t get what you want from the letter you have to pick your battles and for me, whilst our season is still alive, now is not the time. 

Galvanising fans in any form when winning regularly on the pitch is more challenging I agree. 

2 hours ago, Hands on said:

Marco ain’t going to answer. The team under Wild is answering for him and the £5 offer for Mansfield another shot. 

A response to our letter is not the end game.

Ultimately we seek a change in approach from the owner.

If people think they are seeing that then great.

Let’s focus on the bigger picture. It’s not about results on the pitch over a 3 week period. 

Enjoy the wins though.

12 hours ago, LaticsPete said:

Or why should he ?

AL has not acknowledged receipt of the letter.

It has been received.

has it been read? No idea at this stage 

will we receive a response? No idea at this stage 

5 minutes ago, mcfluff1985 said:

Seeking to damage the organisation you act for? Bit of an over exaggeration.

 

Just because I disagree with how things are panning out doesn't mean my opinion is any less valuable than someone who thinks you're doing a perfect job.

 

Also, I think how Brexit is being handled is a fucking shit show but I wouldn't know how to fix it. It's just not being handled well. Some people may disagree.

 

I think marmite tastes like ass but I couldn't advise how the recipe should be changed. Some people love it.

 

Nobody is knocking a specific individual and I've already said I respect anyone who gives up their free time to do something they believe in. Just because people are volunteers doesn't mean I have to think they're doing a great job does it?

 

 

 

 

Skills / knowledge needed to have a credible opinion on how to fix brexit - at least a basic understanding of politics, economics and political processes

Skills / knowledge needed to have a credible opinion on how to improve marmite - knowledge of how condiments are made (!)

Skills / knowledge needed to have a credible opinion on how to improve the activities and effectiveness of Trust Oldham - a brain and a passion for OAFC

You need to have a bit more faith in yourself my friend. 

20 minutes ago, simplythemostimportantkick said:

Maybe it’s just me but I’d find it strange to meet a complete stranger (unless they got boobies tbh) for a drink and a chat. Am I alone in this thinking ?

Am sat on the trust board and am trying to engage our fans in a positive way. It’s good to do that face to face sometimes. We are not an anonymous bunch of random people with nothing in common. We are few. 

This guy/girl wants to knock the trust at every turn because of the kicks he gets out of it without offering any suggested ways of addressing the issues he has.

i suspect that says a lot about his outlook on and approach to life. 

He is seeking to damage the organisation i

act for and which is trying to do good things for the club we all claim to love.

i’d like to talk it through. Suspect it won’t happen though. 

Naive? Probably. 

as it happens my message was sent to mcfluff (a registered user of this site - don’t ask me why) rather than McFluff. 

Lets try and again. Will message you McFluff.

37 minutes ago, mcfluff1985 said:

He offered. I accepted. He said he'd message me. He never did. Still waiting.

 

I understand people have other commitments. 

 

I don't think one trust director informing the others that a major letter had been received is too much to ask regardless of busy lives.

 

Also don't think it's much to ask that while deciding what to demand in a letter they worked out a plan for if demands not met.

 

 

Personal message sent by me to McFluff on 28th March.

no response and not read.

thanks 

Just now, wiseowl said:

Andy - you are doing exactly what I did when arranging the meeting with the previous regime i.e. being sincere and honest, with no hidden agenda. I was very naive too (I`ve never had a facebook or twatter account - just not interested) with regard to social media.

 

My best advice? Stay relatively quiet on here - just factually report when you have something to report - otherwise it will send you stir crazy and take over your life trying to be reasonable when other people aren't (either because of mischief, malice or otherwise).

 

All the best - and I`ll certainly not mither you henceforth.

Ha ha.

Many on here talk sense. Backing is reassuring. 

There are always some more challenging characters.

1 minute ago, laticsmarra said:

 

 

You are starting to suck the life out of the process.Either get involved personally or let the Trust run with the process as agreed at the fans meeting.

It’s my fault. I shouldn’t be biting. Am new to this! 

1 minute ago, mcfluff1985 said:

So you don't see an issue in the trust making demands and setting timeframes with zero plan or idea what they'll do if those aren't met

Not being wedded to a fully resolved and fixed plan and being open to suggestions from fans does not constitute zero plan. 

Welcome your suggestions if you have any.

i doubt you will find another fan who views me reaching out for thoughts/suggestions/ideas in such a negative way. It’s perverse. 

2 minutes ago, mcfluff1985 said:

I'd have thought you'd already discussed a plan for if AL doesn't respond in time or satisfactorily.

 

All a bit David Cameron and his referendum this

He shoots he scores.

Thanks for your positive contribution in seeking to improve our football club. We are indebted.

44 minutes ago, mcfluff1985 said:

What are the next steps beyond the deadline?

 

What if AL hasn't replied by 12th April? What's the plan then?

Trust Board meet on 8th. That will come up.

What would you (and others for that matter) suggest we do in those circumstances? 

43 minutes ago, mcfluff1985 said:

But they didn't ask about receipt of the letter?

 

Surely one of first questions. That's not an unreasonable assumption.

 

Or maybe I am unreasonable in thinking a member of the trust speaking with a chairman who has been sent several copies of a very in depth letter should maybe have questioned the receipt of it?

They didn’t.

The letter has been received. Let’s see what comes of it. 

Lets not get bogged down in insignificant details that don’t really matter, with due respect.

i am off to catch up on alan partridge. Night night.