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40 minutes ago, yarddog73 said:

I agree apathy has well and truly set in at every level.

I don't care

8 hours ago, palmer1 said:

 

These players have proved in the 2nd half if last season that are good enough as a group to compete and be comfortable in this league. 

 

This season we no longer press, we don't seem to tackle and we aren't getting in our opponents faces enough. We let teams dictate and play, we stand off. Yesterday at times they bullied us. We are a soft touch!  Very worryingly Clarke & Gerrard have to be included in that description also.

These players scored 11 goals in the last 15  games of last season, the last 6 away games yielded 2 points and one goal....and now from that team we have lost our 3 most effective plays, the keeper, the top scorer and the one which saved us and  masked our inadequacy..the pitch

2 minutes ago, palmer1 said:

There was a moment in yesterday's game that summed up not just Ollie Banks but the whole team for me this season...

 

Banks was challenging the last man for Wigan who had fallen. If Banks had taken the ball from the grounded defender he would have had opportunity to run through on on goal. Instead he was outmuscled from the ground with the defender coming away with the ball leaving Banks on his knees then chasing slowly ten yards in his wake...

 

If this had occurred at the other end it would undoubtedly have ended with a shot at goal.

 

We are not aggressive enough...

Forget "aggressive enough" .....try good enough instead

It clearly is....you are discussing it for one

22 minutes ago, mcfluff1985 said:

Suppose you'd tell players to never pass into space then as well?

I would only tell players to pass the ball to a place where the next person to touch it has a very good chance of wearing one of our shirts

2 minutes ago, kowenicki said:

Is this after 3 league games?  If so, how utterly pointless.  A 0-0 in the next game would cause a massive swing. 

Surely 0-0 would make our attacking stats even worse?

1 hour ago, oafc1955 said:

I don't understand how appallingly bad we really are....our inability and or reluctance to pass and move is just completely baffling. Just what do they do in training as these are the simple basics of the game.

 

We've played 3 matches against promotion favourites, possible play off contenders and probable relegation candidates and have been second best in every game all over the park.

 

It beggars belief that we can seemingly work on systems and tactics in training all week and then put in such an abject performance as we saw yesterday.

 

We haven't dominated a game of football, home or away for as long as I can remember and just cannot see it changing anytime soon with this group of players and coaching staff.

 

As someone said earlier we are already 9 points behind Shrewsbury and looking at the league even at this early stage I am struggling to find 3 teams who are likely to finish below us!!

 

 

 

 

Just to make your job harder....we need to find 4 !

2 hours ago, mcfluff1985 said:

Holloway does sometimes need to concentrate more more on just attacking the ball rather than the battle but there are also a hell of a lot of times when he can do nothing because either the defender is blatantly fouling him or he has no support from a blue shirt. Even when he flicks it on, most of the time, there is nobody running onto it

"Flicks it on" ....a Clayton Playing Fields tactic.....as a defender there is nothing better than watching their centre forward pointlessly helping a ball on to your goalkeeper. League one is a high standard professional league were " flicking on" is giving the ball away

20 minutes ago, the_mighty_bosh said:

 

Shez was my hero growing up so I'll always be a bit biased towards him.  Even I'll say that he has been as poor as the majority of the club so far this season (a few have been worse).

 

But you're going way over the top about other people's views on Shez.  No one thinks he's perfect but in our current position I doubt you can name one person currently at the club who we can rely on more than him.  That may be a "tallest mountain in Holland" scenario, but it still applies.

 

 

I think that is fair comment...I am just challenging a mindset that because Shez played brilliantly on one leg for us there cannot be immunity from questions about the right mess we are in and his contribution to that

4 minutes ago, Dave_Og said:

Just to be clear, are you saying sack him now?

just  questioning the infallibility mantra of the cult of Sheridan.....the pre-season preparation was poor, recruitment obviously hit a problem, we don't appear to have a preferred system, the players look flat, there have been some iill advised press briefings, we have lost 6 on the trot......I think the question is definitely on the table

2 minutes ago, rvlatic said:

It feels like to me like we are still playing pre season games - still tinkering with team and tactics - half paced football .

...and who would be responsible for that?

6 minutes ago, Blue_Guru said:

Weird too...I was an advocate of signing Clarke, Brian Wilson, Green etc as the older heads that would pick the team up when the shit hits the fan but they are nowhere to be seen. Why is confidence so low? Did not signing ripley when it looked possible knock the wind out of their sales? Feels like something has killed us very early on, it did after Oxford. 

Clarke, Gerrard,Wilson,Green,Davies.......I can't imagine anybody but would object to any of the individual 30 plus players...but I would suggest that is too many in a squad, Collectively do they make us an ageing squad? Are all  5 on their last contracts as pro footballers ? They provide experience and know how but what about hunger enthusiasm energy and ambition?  

3 minutes ago, futchers briefs said:

Welcome back Futchersbriefs...

That was awful today, not going to be too technical, but Sheridan changed his shape and side against the wrong team. Players in wrong position a plenty and too many players looking up to others who aren't up to it - worrying signs early on. A good manager would see it is wrong, change it and be brave, I worry that Shez is too stubborn to do that! Lots of players with shoulders and heads down so early on in the season - it was crap!

No it wasn't....he's a legend

5 minutes ago, latics22 said:

The guys a legend! No other was to spin it. Anyone who disagrees, wasn't there when he was hobbling around the pitch winning us games. The penalty at Hillsboro, he a hero!

So is  Andy .....did not make him a successful manager for us

6 minutes ago, latics22 said:

OUR LEAGUE 1 STATUS, our last attempt at promotion, few years of watching a brilliant player. Who came out of retirement with a dodgy knee and was still our best player! U count that season, he saved us 3 times from relegation! God knows where we'd be now! Playing Stockport probably!

How many managers have we had in this division who have not got us relegated.."....Talbot penny Dickov dowse dunn Robinson Kelly Johnson and goodness knows how many more....but we owe our league one status to Shez....Get real

1 minute ago, Buckshawlatic said:

 

More than 4 games of a fucking season before sharpening the knives 

Check out my posts of Jan 2017

1 minute ago, latics22 said:

Or got chesterfield promoted, won the johston paint trophy, turned a nearly relegated Plymouth into contenders, saved Newport. Got Oldham to the play offs and saved us twice. Short memory? We owe shez everything, I'd want him to stay if we went down!

Ah the cult of Sheridan awakens . " We owe Shez everything" ...what exactly is it that we owe him? 

3 minutes ago, tGWB said:

 

Most of you haven't worked it out yet but some of you are getting closer

 

John Sheridan has worked wonders for our Club, saving us from relegation twice in recent years

 

Problem as I see it though, is that the very same John Sheridan who can galvanise a group of players behind a cause, appears to only be able to do so for a short period of time

 

As soon as he gets past the completion of the initial objective (usually survival) he seems to lose faith in the players or more concerning, the players start to lose trust in him

 

His recent public outbursts, "some players are only giving 60/70%" and "we need 5 or 6 new players" and him bizarrely playing average players out of position, for me, just further demonstrate his poor team building / management skills

 

A wonderful footballer in his day, but why, with the 'Championship Manager Merry Go Round' has he not be snapped up, or even by a League One prospective promotion team

 

 

 

 

To spell it out you mean relegated at Chesterfield, then failed to achieve at the richest club in the league, Plymouth, then had a brief sojourn at Newport before walking out on them, then walked out on us before making a fool of himself at Notts county?

By my reckoning we have scored 12 goals in our last 18 league games ......that is abysmal and Holloway has to be part of the problem not the solution surely

5 minutes ago, Lee Sinnott said:

Pretty shoddy that. Wigan called time on the game after 20 minutes and played the rest of it at testimonial pace. 

 

Holloway has some attributes, but his goal return is nothing short of a disgrace. I genuinely think if I had a run of 26 (think that's the total) games playing up front for Latics, I would score in more than one game. 

 

Clarke looked a shadow of himself today - he's probably missing his mate behind him, but I don't think Wilson disgraced himself at all and made 2 or 3 decent saves. Gardner was a positive, perhaps the only one. He looked bright and eager to impress...

Spot on in all respects ........the game was over after 20 minutes.  We would not have scored if we were still playing now and even if we had , they would have scored another 2 in the subsequent 20 minutes. They won at a canter without breaking sweat

1 minute ago, rigsby said:

I honestly think he is a good player.

Its all about opinions ..

In your opinion then what does he offer? He is not quick ,he does not score  , he does not play very often, he sulks ,his second touch is a tackle........

3 minutes ago, PlayItLivo said:

 

It's our best result. I mean we lost modestly to a team who will likely be challenging for promotion this season and if we're as terrible as everyone is worried about, then we ought to have got trounced today. 

 

 

We got trounced. They declared after 20 mins

Not picked for tonights game.....I reckon he will be here before the end of the window

12 minutes ago, Magic Mikey said:

That'd be like making Boris Johnson foreign secretary.

Yes Trump is President, Johnson is Foreign Secretary, ..and Corbyn ihad a worse result than Gordon Brown. ....funny  place the real world. You should try it some time

12 minutes ago, mikejh45 said:

 

You ain't known for your sense of humour so pardon me for not recognising that you were taking the p*ss because you had reached a certain age!!!

Conjunctivitis.com.....a sight for sore eyes?

i am putting my Hoover on eBay....it's only collecting dust

i asked my wife if she wanted to go out for dinner...she said yes....I was glad because I could have the house to myself

clearer for you?