PhilStarbucksSilkySkills

So, i'm a bigot merely because I think that another culture is wrong for being insulted by something so trivial. And you are such an unbelievable tard that you think that myself not wanting them to impose their culture on us equates to imposing my culture on them. You completely miss the point AGAIN. IF (try this on for a minute) you or others were inclined to call Leeds fans sheep shaggers on this board, would you stop under the knowledge that doing it again could cause you actual bodily harm. Would you give in to the threat of violence? Or would you stand up against it.

:lol: :lol: :lol:. Even Terry Wogan will have knowingly offended people with his comments. I wouldn't compare this to Bernard Manning. More like Marcus Brigstocke. But the question is, are comedians being childish when they write material they know will offend some people? Please read the comment that you made for the answer to that. You were the one who claimed that the wrong approach was being taken here. I want to know what yours would be.

1)Comedians every day do things that they know will offend some people (such is the nature of comedy). Are they childish? 2)So what would your appraoch be? (assuming you cared)

Not exactly a fan

Heinously insult? Any violent reaction by them would be an overreaction of course. But here's the main difference. One is in person. The other is not. One is far more up front, and a personal attack. The other is not. Let me throw this question back at you. If you and others posted on this message board that Leeds fans were "sheep shagging scum", would you be prepared to shut up when Leeds fans retaliated with death threats and some of the board members started being hospitalised or killed?

His freedom of speech came at the expense of the fatwa against him. That was the trade off. An unacceptable one. Freedom of speech is a big issue... It was a message of solidarity. Noone expected a full resolution. I've said all I can say on this. Again I find your perspective overwhelmingly short sighted, to continually brush it off off as childish. It is childishness we are standing up against.

I was giving you an analogy of your argument. I should have known it wouldn't understand it. Someone else explain it to him. If I wanted to take the role of a kindergarten teacher I would trained to be one.

He has been. For 21 years. Make your mind up. Are you denying that Freedom is speech is under attack or that it isn't a big enough issue compared to other things.

Really slow

FFS The attack on free speech is that of people being silenced with violence. The same as many of your examples. And I didn't list Salman Rushdie as a cartoonist. When did I say the problem was only about cartoons? For the record neither are Ayaan Hirsi Ali or Theo Van Gogh cartoonists.

I suppose because they are "isolated incidents" then its not so much of a big deal then. I'm sure if we all bury our heads in the sand then the problem will go away. It's like saying that because there's people dying of cancer in the UK, then we shouldn't be worried about AIDS.

What a staggeringly myopic perspective one must have to shrug this off as "ridiculous nutter-bating".

A bit slow aren't you oafc?

Holy :censored: oafc. You amaze me sometimes. Vilks arson suspects remanded into custody Fearing for his life, the cartoonist Kurt Westergaard has been forced into hiding Ayaan Hirsi Ali: My life under a fatwa Iranian leader upholds Rushdie fatwa South Park censored after threat of fatwa over Muhammad episode Do you want more?

Yep another humdinger. There's way too many ftards in power.

Great. I'm against those too. They don't make this particular issue any less worth fighting for though.

NO muslim who would be all that fired up by a picture of a 1500 year old man could ever be described as liberal. I'm not going to go over this again with you. If you think all it will take to stand up to these people, and the cowards who give in to their barbarian demands, is the police, then good look to you. You live in a very simplistic world.

I didn't ask you to do anything about it, I merely provided the relevant link. But your attitude has been that there are bigger problems facing free speech. I'd still like to know what they are.

Garcon, What do you mean "and"? Someone getting killed for daring to insult a belief system doesn't bother you then? And while you all joke, yes he was related to Vincent Van Gogh.

Gunman kills Dutch film director

Well I and millions of others do give a toss. And I see no bigger threat to freedom of speech than violence, and the people who censor artists under that threat. I bet you don't even know who those people I mentioned are do you? Do you know even who Theo Van Gogh is (or was)?

My way? This attack on free speech or free expression can only be defended by refusing to be silenced or neutered by the f------ who think that free speech ends where an answer of violence or the threat of violence begin. If you have a better way to deal this problem, I'd love to hear it. The fact is that some people have repeatedly demonstrated remarkable and violent hypocrisy when it comes to free speech. They demand that their views be respected by everyone else in society - and anyone who offends them may well suffer a violent response. There is no right to not be offended. There is no right to impose your ignorance, fears and superstitions on the rest of society. This is not only about free speech, it's valid social commentary and a serious issue. There are people who travel with bodyguards and live under constant threat of violence or death for exercising basic freedoms that we should all support. People like Ayaan Hirsi Ali, Salman Rushdie and Lars Vilks. When more of us stand up and be counted on this matter then the target becomes that much larger, and suddenly these scapegoats are no longer standing on their own. It is also sending out a message to the cowards from the media outlets who censor artists or issue apologies for fear of violent repercussions.

I did move on. I just informed people that the site was back up. And I think it is feckin childish that someone like yourself thinks that the battle for Freedom of Speech is a something that deserves to be dropped, or that can be better protested than by doing something completely different from the very thing that people are being threatened or killed over. (ie insult someone's cherished beliefs and cause........wait for it........OFFENCE (gasp!!) So this tells me a lot. It tells me that you have no idea what is going on the world, or that your moral compass is horribly skewed.

Yes. Because afterall, people only care about freedom of speech one day a year.

And I don't have a favourite beer, or a favourite Spice Girl (hang on....come to think of it I liked Baby) Back to the subject at hand. The "Everybody Draw Mohammed" Facebook page is back up.