mcfluff1985

15 minutes ago, AndyB2 said:

Without his goals. 
 

as in with him in the team, we would be 12th if he hadn’t scored as many goals. 
 

yes I accept that. 
 

but we are 9th, not 4th partly because he is in the team.

 

I don’t expect you to understand that but have a go chap. 

I got what you meant. But seen as nobody else contributes from midfield then another Sheron would have you higher. 

I don’t expect you to understand that but have a go chap. 

19 minutes ago, AndyB2 said:

And yes. You are right. Without his goals we would be say 12th. But I am not looking for players who can make the difference between 12th and 9th. I am after players who can get us into the playoffs. He ain’t that 

Another Sheron and you'd be 9th to 6th by that stupid logic

14 minutes ago, AndyB2 said:

It counts. But I’d rather he did his job which is make the midfield difficult to penetrate. Scoring the odd goal doesn’t come close to compensating for his limitations in actually doing what he is in the team to do.
 

He is the only midfielder who has had a clear and consistent brief over a prolonged period and who has been given a fair crack at delivering that brief over two seasons. He’s at the heart of a team that has failed 

If he hadn't contributed what he had, season would have been over a lot sooner

9 minutes ago, LightDN123 said:

Counts. I’ve watched him for two seasons be crap in our midfield. He’s rubbish and we could do so so much better. 

So replace him after you've replaced the others

2 minutes ago, LightDN123 said:

He played one good ball Garner, can’t remember any other decent passes. 
 

Hes scored a few when he doesn’t need to think. 

Don't count then?

45 minutes ago, LightDN123 said:

He’s shit. 
 

Don’t you criticise Norwood? He’s contributed more than any other player on the pitch all season. 
 

Nathan Sheron is an absolutely shit central midfielder. He can run, but he can’t pass or look after a football. 
 

We have struggled in midfield ever since he’s been ever present, open your eyes. 

Scored more than most of our squad. Probably got more assists than most

31 minutes ago, BradKnowles1 said:

Kept the ball a lot better against two possession sides 

Great points haul from them. He's been involved in our only convincing wins this season. He grafts. He tackles. He presses. He gets the ball more than any other midfielder so will make more mistakes

26 minutes ago, BradKnowles1 said:

Build the midfield around Lundstram, find a player like Gardner who can stay fit. Find a player similar to Mcgahey who can sit, pass and wants the ball.
 

the midfield has looked a lot better without the anti footballer Sheron in there. 

Has it?

1 hour ago, AndyB2 said:

Buck stops with royle. Frank brings the money

But you don't know what DR does so...

24 minutes ago, Summerdeep said:

Royle's the 'CEO' isn't he? Could that be part of the problem? Until a few years ago, this was a Wall Street term that applied to American corporations. In the UK, even the largest companies just had a humble 'Managing Director', and professional football clubs didn't even have (or presumably need) one of those.

 

What's all this 'recruitment' business anyway? Why can't the manager be in charge of signing players, subject to the board's approval and the money being available?

 

Presumably I'm stuck in a past era, as usual, but that's how I feel.

Who makes the decision on signings now?

5 minutes ago, AndyB2 said:

Various. Including spending the owners money 

No understanding then

Just now, nzlatic said:

With Unsworth I understood why the board stuck with him over the summer given the results in the 2nd half of the season and I liked the idea of giving people time in a new job. But I wouldn't have lost sleep if they did decide to get rid of him pretty much any time from Aldershot away.

 

With Mellon I feel much more confident that giving him time is the right thing to do. He's done it before. I'm pretty sure I remember a Tranmere fan saying his second spell didn't go well because of something to do with the chairman not backing him or something along those lines. We know that Mellon will get full support here so hopefully he makes good use of that. If we sacked him off the back of this run then I would be a bit concerned about the direction we were taking in terms of giving managers time. Just about every other team in the play offs has had a bad run this season. Unfortunately we've had 2 - at the start and at the end.

100% sure we should give him the summer and next season. Signing players in Jan is hard unless you're splashing mega money to buy teams best. In summer people who are still wanted are out of contract. Far easier to bring in who you want. Can't judge him off a January window

Sheron on the bench watching McGahey must be fuming

56 minutes ago, spanishfly said:

StatsBomb. Been doing a little research as I`d never heard of it. Someone mentioned on here that no top team winning anything is without it. Really? Well, if lots of clubs have it; they can't all be winning can they? Competitive advantage comes from having decent players in a decent line-up, managed well. We are in non-league for christ's sake. A manager, and indeed anyone who knows anything about football, can see a good player when he sees one. It's just more nonsense created by the nonsense generation. Oh and anyone calling the beautiful game, soccer (which I saw several times on their website) clearly knows nothing about football either. I really do despair if Latics are relying on such drivel as part of their recruitment policy. The saying;  lies, damned lies and statistics wasn't made up for any old reason. It's because it has a large element of truth in it. 

 

Let the manager do the recruiting, full stop. He then lives or dies by his own decisions not some stupid bloody database on meaningless stats.

You won't have heard of it. You were locked up in La Catedral with Pablo weren't you

My touch is better than that of Dallas

30 minutes ago, O.A.F.C. said:

Tbh you still have a strange fascination about him 

Not really. I didn't mention him. Someone else did. Not my fault he thinks he's above everyone and world revolves around him. Imagine Hitler got into art school. Imagine BP got a reply to an email. World could be different place

2 hours ago, BP1960 said:

 

I don't know why @mcfluff1985 replies to me, I don't read them I just see his blocked name.

Although I hadn't replied to him, he continues to think I have. Strange bloke

2 hours ago, League one forever said:

He was there before, which shows the youth team was producing players before Frank and co and they didn’t have to start again or wait years for the youth team to bear fruit. 
 

It’s not a competition and I wasn’t comparing BP to Mellon and Co, I just know he watches a lot of youth team football and has spoken highly of a couple- it would be nice if we could develop a couple. We’ll never know, if we never give them a go. 
 

One was Forshaw I think, and I can’t remember the other lads name. 
 

 

In your opinion- Do you think a profitable youth team is important for the club. Or do you think it’s just a nice to have? 
 

Personally I’d love to see some of our own come through and sold for profit- that hopefully would be re- invested in the first team. We can’t just rely on Frank pouring money in, the club needs to look at every avenue to make money. 

We produce the odd one every few years. Ideally we produce players good enough to sell. Whether they play for the first team or not, I'm not bothered. Be nice, but rather we make money from youth system

2 hours ago, Dave_Og said:

 

I think the realistic objective (sadly) of the youth set up is to flog players wherever possible before they get anywhere near the first team and hope that one of them generates a sell on fee.

A lot of clubs do this. Sell them before they play shit in the men's league. How many of these young ones we've sold early have gone on to much?

38 minutes ago, Dave_Og said:

 

I've resisted responding to any of your posts for some months now as you seem to take any question as some sort of personal affront.  They're not - they're just questions.  I'm not in the business of trying to wind anyone up so I'll try once more and stress that this is just a question.

 

Walker's career summary so far (Wikipedia may be wrong of course) starting from September 2020 which was when he made his full debut at FL level.

 

Full season loan from Preston to Carlisle but only played 4 league games and the loan was terminated in January 2021

Moved to Fylde, then in NLN.  Only played in 2 games due to injury

In November 2021 moved back to Fylde on loan and played 5 games before heading back to Preston in January 2022

In May 2022 signed for Blackburn but yet to appear in their first team

September 2023 sent on loan to Morecambe but recalled due to lack of game time

January 2024 joined us but barely sighted.

 

My question comes with no side, no implication.  It is just one borne of interest and curiosity.  What have you seen of him and where that suggests we should be playing him as a regular starter and that he'll go on to play much higher?

 

 

 

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10 hours ago, League one forever said:

 

We had a one player who got sold in the owners first season- where did he come from? Oh- the youth set up. 
 

Did the current ownership bring him in or was he here before?

10 hours ago, League one forever said:

According to BP we have at least one or two who at the very least could be in and around the first team and given some minutes. (In a side desperate for some pace and energy) 

Right. And? They've played against kids. I trust YT manager, Murray, Brabin and MM over BP

10 hours ago, League one forever said:

 

 

 

 

How on earth have we found them in so little time under the owners. . ?? 
 

 

Found who?

People complaining not enough youth come through, conveniently forgetting how long it takes to bring the level of quality in an academy up

New ownership been here how long

3 hours ago, nzlatic said:

 

There's quite a bit of speculation in here. Comments above.

 

I'm not saying he's done a great job. But I'm not saying he's done a bad job. For starters I don't know for sure exactly what his remit is and on what criteria to judge him. But also, he's been in the role for less than 2 seasons.

 

Recruitment should have been better, particularly last summer. But it might be that this summer is where a lot of it will be addressed. Again, too early and not enough info to judge that he "shouldn't be anywhere near important footballing decisions".

He does this. States stuff as absolute fact, when he can't know for sure it is. 

3 hours ago, spanishfly said:

I`ve been very civil on here Bob but the problem is senile old fools like you making up conspiracy theories about senile old fools like me being the re-incarnation of some previous poster on here. You started having a dig at me early doors by asking did I enjoy my time in Spain or something similar. What I should have told you is this; no I didn't because I spent several years in a nasty Spanish gaol for my alleged part in the importation of large quantities of controlled drugs from Morocco. I was innocent of that too but sometimes life sucks. Does that satisfy your silly conspiracy theory? Give it a rest with your continuing snide comments. Doesn't make you clever or 'ard you know. Or do you yearn to be part of the little "bully" set on here? Make you feel good? 

Alright Walter Mitty

12 minutes ago, Dave_Og said:

 

You've proved my point.  Bowen isn't a winger as they used to be.  My money is on Doku fading away; show pony

He was for England. Very direct, beat his man, either got ball in or cut in for a shot

1 hour ago, Dave_Og said:

4 of those assists were in one match 5 months ago.  Can prove whatever you like with stats.  BBC says 4 goals and one of those was in a whupping of Huddersfield

Antony is the epitome of no end product. Doku will get better he's only 21. At least he has something. There are some very good wingers around now. Jarrod Bowen for one, Gordon another

3 hours ago, Dave_Og said:

 

Sadly he's got a point.  There are precious few of them in the traditional sense.  Grealish is described as a winger at City but he's hardly in the mould of Rick Holden!  I guess the modern mantra of pressing is pretty incompatible with the development of luxury wingers; can't press much when you're hugging the touchline.  One current winger comes come to mind; Doku at City.  He's a prime example of why they've fallen out of fashion.  Loads of skill, quite exciting, sod all end product!

6 goals and 5 assists 

9 minutes ago, spanishfly said:

 

This isn't 1st hand but is a summary of what I was told recently. Promotion was the immediate aim when the new owner/s came in. It was the aim again this season; both for Unsworth and for MM. It has recently been accepted it's not going to happen, largely due to a bloated squad of inadequate players. The season ticket price was set accordingly (i.e. to be in this league next season). MM is going nowhere and there will be a huge clearout in the summer (by whatever means necessary). We must be promoted next season. All important footballing decisions have been entrusted to "the Royles" so I`m assuming that to mean Darren and Joe (and I don't even know what position either holds tbh, I was only here for the football on the pitch).

 

Make of it what you will.

Man in a pub?