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I'm surprised at the lukewarm reaction to the possibility of Paul Scholes becoming our next manager. Considering he has won nearly a dozen Premier League titles, a couple of European Cup trophies, dozens of other cups and 60-odd international caps; considering he is arguably one of the best English players in the last 30 years and his experience working with the (it is, in my view, beyond argument) greatest manager the game has seen, I would have thought his name would cause intense excitement. He would captivate his players who would stand a chance of learning and developing, he would encourage a style of football that supporters would appreciate and would be deemed to be a significant draw for players looking for a new club.

That said, I would be surprised if Scholes is still interested. He was interviewed and turned down not even a year ago. He will doubtless be aware of the lack of brains in the boardroom and the ludicrous overspending on unexceptional players; the grip Lemsagam has on all areas of the club, too, will cause him to think twice. If he has shown interest and has any sense (a paradox in itself) he'll do one of two things: A. laugh at the true dire state of the place and leave or B. demand full control of the pitch and the players on it and tell Lemsagam to get serious.

My instinct is telling me Lemsagam is proving to be a huge hinderance, but I'd be delighted if Scholes is given he job. Having wrote this down, though, leads me to question why on earth Scholes would work in such a awful environment.

3 hours ago, OAFCinWolves said:

Personally i dont get this myth we have a brillant youth system. The only stand out for me been tarkowski. I know a few parents whose lads have left and gone else where by choice saying it is poor at Oldham, even Rochdale been mentioned as a better experiance 

I don't think our youth development has been exaggerated. However, the club would have folded if we weren't able to produce at least one player every other year.

46 minutes ago, 4oakslatic said:

 

eh?   

 

Review your last few posts mate.

1 hour ago, 4oakslatic said:

No I disagree,  in order to ensure our society improves we should not fall back on stereotypes 

Yet you plumped for the 1970s comparison. It's one of the most nauseating cliches print has come up with.

Just now, Dave_Og said:

 

Uh?

Eh?

I normally want managers to hang around, but I'm not bothered by the Wellens decision. His reaction leading up to relegation and his pathetic reaction to its confirmation left a sour taste in my mouth. Having said that, if we sacked him over the phone that is equally pathetic and that needs to be justified - if it can. Strange timing and somewhat disrespectful to sack him now, having just stood and unveiled Baxter. 

We've been sold a bill of goods during the last 12 month. Hopefully we'll cease clapping along to whatever the social media kids post up and analyse a new set-up that is making amateur mistakes all over the shop.

Will Scholes still be licking his lips? Doubtful.

On 05/06/2018 at 7:24 PM, OLDHAMADE said:

Served me well enough, started work at 16 on 12 quid a week for 40 hours and now retired at 55

Graft hard and you'll come good but best of all you'll never be out of work 

Tell me father that; Thatcher closed his pit. Most work hard.

On 02/06/2018 at 6:36 PM, OLDHAMADE said:

 

This is how I see it in any walk of life, work hard and get the rewards from it or be a complete waster and no bloody use to yourself let alone your employer.

 

Sadly the new owner has put his faith in the latter but hopefully it will all come out in the wash early doors and he'll weed out the deadwood in order his investment comes good, the poor guy must be thinking what the hell have I got myself into? the very least he must of been expecting was to actually stay in the division and built from there.

 

Now his position is now as volatile as the stock market and a massive gamble that could finish him before he's even started, so for folk like mcfluff1985 to come out with such crass, I don't give a shite comments is beyond me.

Maybe he should cut his losses and walk now before the new season, shut up shop and adopt the same attitude, then you'd have something proper to be so smug about.

In most walks of life that is simply not the case.

Anyway, has Wellens said anything about the supporters since relegation? I know he bravely entered the field upon the final whistle and made an almost immediate about-turn when he heard the booing in the away end. About as much courage as a puppy being turned on by a Yorkshire Terrier.

12 minutes ago, singe said:

We're all battered and bruised at the moment

(PS Underdog is a she!!) . We've all done it!)

Hopefully never in the flesh!

5 minutes ago, singe said:

I think you are assuming the Trust and OAFC are one and the same entity. Admittedly, I think the Trust needs to put distance, but you are attacking the wrong person.

No, not at all. I sincerely appreciate what undergog and the Trust does, but I would say the same to any supporter who asks me to back the club for no other reason than I am a supporter.  I am in no means intending to attack or insult anybody who wants to support without comment. Unfortunately, I can't do that.The club and those connected past and present have a lot to answer for.

EDIT: I should also point out I edited my initial post because I misread the first paragraph. I thought underdog was asking for blind trust; he was stating the Trust needed supporters. I do apologise.

5 hours ago, underdog said:

the source of the article was Corney.

 

I hope you can understand to some degree, the nature of the person who in the end couldn't sustain us and has been fighting tooth and Nail with the Trust over the last few seasons to keep hold of what he could. That it has been a very hard slog on all the Trust directors.

 

Your Trust rep took the face to face part of it all and I hope you can at least appreciate what a personal toll it took out of Simon Brooke. It was not pleasant at times and we did discuss as a Trust to write to the club to "remind" them of their zero tolerance policy with regards to bullying and equality and diversity in the workplace.

 

We have been firefighting to some degree to protect the club's good name and those employed under that regime. I have no doubt in my mind that Corney had good intentions at first but hhe lack of resources open to him and living on a mouth to mouth existence could not last. Yes he did introduces us to Al and at that point the Trust decided not to jeopardise the negotiations, especially your rep who was at the end of it all . This is not over, I am sure There is fight left in our ex owner to separate us all.

 

I hope we can all pull together now to drive our club on, we need to be strong. Now is the time for us all to take a deep breath, try to learn from teh mistakes, support each other . Al has offered a clean slate to some already, but he won't tolerate fools especially those that tried to exploit his good nature/good faith.. Now is the time to pull together your club, your new Owner and your trust needs you.

I do not doubt the sincerity with which your write those words and I would have left your comments alone, but I am going to ask you to pull the other one.

You talk about the club's good name. Do you forget how we chased players fresh from jail for truly heinous offences? We're as much in the same gutter as most clubs, desperate for anything that can take us higher, and there isn't much we wouldn't do to get there. My club happily raises ticket prices if we draw a Premier League club, my club sells off our ground's name and uses the most embarrassing social media practices - straight from cliche's rubbish bin - in an attempt to effusively flatter me. The general conduct of Oldham Athletic for the past decade has been appalling and that was at around the time I began to see through Simon Corney. A lot - a tremendous lot - needs to be done to regain the respect I once had for the club. Predictable call to arms, already used to death this past month or so, doesn't cut it.

I fully expect the drivel to flood my way as often is the case when a supporter dares break rank and criticise the club; I disliked Corney because he couldn't be trusted and nor have I yet to be convinced of Abdallah Lemsagam, but, no fear, I'll be there again next season.

I hesitate to use foul language, I sincerely do, but this is fucking awful.

I'll collect myself and offer summat a bit more substantive later on.

Bitterly disappointed and, as others have said, there is a feeling of shock. I don't think many of us foresaw this position with two games to go.

To have drawn the four we have had before tonight has confirmed a lot. I don't like to see managers come and go but it's often a question of what is deserved. Does Wellens, should we go down, deserve a chance? Judging on the squad and his woeful ability inspire it has to be a no.

I was really looking forward to next season; the first time in quite some years I've felt a bit of excitement but that has ebbed to nothingness. 

Astounding.

Excellent result.

That Fane is a player!

What is shocking is the way the police treated the victims and their families as soon as the plan was concocted to blame the fans.

 

Grieving families unable to touch or kiss their nearest and dearest, the deceased tested for alcohol content - even children, and the inappropriate questioning regarding alcohol consumption of the victims.

 

In a wider context, the South Yorkshire police had (as an institution and in the aftermath of the miners strike), to a certain extent turned from an accountable public service into the establishment's private militia.

It isn't really surprising that it's taken over 25 years to get to grips with the enormity of what really happened - or that some still believe the lies that were so deeply seeded that day.

I entirely agree with this.

For those struggling to get their heads around the mindset of the South Yorkshire police, read about the events at the Orgreave coking plant in 1984 during the miners' strike. They used every violent trick in the book, savagely assaulted the President of the National Union of Mineworkers and colluded with the right-wing newspapers. There was an orchestrated anti-working class mentality pushed by the largest of establishment figures, including Margaret Thatcher.

You have, even before those awful events in 1989, a corrupt, militant police force. Now add that to the anti-hooliganism rhetoric from Thatcher's Tory government and the anti-working class agenda to that corrupt, militant police force and it should begin to make sense. Did they intentionally cause the deaths of 96 people? I am confident that that is not the case, but their actions within a couple of hours of the disaster i.e. editing of police statements, briefing the same editors of the same newspapers suggests what we know: a corrupt, militant police force with a negligent and often aggressive set of policing tactics that will stoop ot inhumane standards to defend itself.

Vindication. I don't think we can ever fully understand the determination and courage required to fight for 27 years to unveil the disgusting corruption between institutions that are supposed to protect British citizens.

Those bastards involved still need investigating for the Orgreave fiasco in 1984.

Too early mate. Give it 'til the morning, let us get today out of our system.

Dire.

I'm not taking a positive from that. Hopefully it allows Shez to get stuck into them and we bounce back on Tuesday.

If we perform like we have been doing in recent weeks I think we can win by a couple of goals. I'm going with two-nowt us.

If you kiddies want an adult, we'll be in one of the other threads.

What a bloody good do!

Considering the result at the weekend, I'd be very satisfied with a point tonight. That said, we're looking increasingly confident and Posh have been pasted twice on the trot so a a win and all three points isn't silly thinking.

I'm going with 2-2.

I disagree. I thought we fought the whole game. At no point did I see heads go down.

I think opinion4u may be referring to the last 15 minuets of the first half. I wouldn't say our heads went down - we simply lost our spark. We needed half-time to re-focus, which we did very well.

Could be an ideal time to play Peterborough on Tuesday - they've lost 4-0 and 3-0 in the space of seven days.

Rochdale vs Fleetwood too.

I bloody enjoyed that!