deyres42

Classic Mellon

Braver he/she/they than me if you commit to that.

Just now, disjointed said:

Said no one ever. 

Big Dave Og did.

Things could get nasty at Halifax.

Serial promotion winner and we are effectively two places higher than where we finished last season, big L.

4 minutes ago, Only Blue said:

Yes and just to go slight off NL topic, Curzon Ashton are the same, punching well above their weight year in year out.

 

It's all about being run right all the way through the club, expecting players to leave but have the structure to replace them.

Apparently all you have to do is pick the right manager and the rest takes care of itself...

3 minutes ago, Dave_Og said:

Go on, I'll bite. Who is it that is defining this chosen philosophy?

Well you'd like to think the people running the club must have some idea of what they would like to see.

That's your start point and then you put people in place to implement your plans.

Unless their plans don't go beyond just signing the cheques, in which case just carry on as you are and hope for the best.

7 minutes ago, Frankly Mr Shankly said:

Which way of operating is there other than let the incumbent manager identify and sign players he wants for his team?
 

The only one I can think of is the sign players and force them on the manager way of operating? And we all know how that panned out, the last time we did that.

No, you recruit a manager who aligns with your chosen philosophy, whatever that maybe. If you want them to sign the players then fine.

8 minutes ago, JoeP said:

 

Why not? Surely it's the manager who should dictate how we play, rather than a "stats department" and "recruitment department" tossing the manager a load of players he might not want and expecting him to turn the team into 70s Brazil...

Next manager might come in and have a completely different philosophy, so you've got to go out and recruit a new squad again whilst trying to get rid of the ones he doesn't want, smart clubs don't operate that way.

At the moment we just seem to be flailing around without much a plan, chucking good money after bad and hoping the dice drop our way, very odd given the supposedly intelligent people running the club.

20 minutes ago, oafc1955 said:

You would hope that would be the route Mellon will take!

Whoever the manager is needs to fit into our framework and way of playing, not just given carte blanche to do what they want, sign who they want.

3 hours ago, JoeP said:

 

Nah, the manager's got to be the one choosing which players to sign. 

 

The post-sacking load of players that a new manager might not want is just a problem that's occurred since the dawn of time. Well, football. 

Whoever chooses them, chooses them. We need to find an identity, a way of playing and sign players accordingly.

25 minutes ago, LightDN123 said:

Or goals in the box. A certain poster on here doesn’t count those. 

Every goal counts. Penalties pad out a record. Hope that helps.

The worry for me is that we seem to have given Mellon and Brabin the keys to the castle and moved away from what we were trying to do with a head coach and head of recruitment - you can question the quality of player and the staff brought in but the idea itself was the right one IMO

So when the inevitable sacking happens we are going to be left with a load of players on the wrong side of 30 who the next manager probably isn't going to like the look of.

1 minute ago, LightDN123 said:

Don’t forget to take away all goals he’s scored in the box, because anyone could do that. So he’s actually on 0.

 

 

Good point you make there, McAlney used to crack them in from all distances, we could do with one like him.

2 minutes ago, oafc1955 said:

Spin it whichever way you like, check where we’d be without his goals….and another thing, he never looks like missing a penalty either!

Well we'd be about 8-9 goals worse off, hardly a deal breaker.

15 minutes ago, oafc1955 said:

Norwood’s goal tally is commendable, he is feeding off scraps in a weak as piss side that creates absolutely fuck all, without his goals we would probably be fighting relegation.

The epic fail as you so put it was not signing a decent supply line!!

Take away the penalties and it will be what, 12-13 goals? Commendable seems a strong word.

7 minutes ago, the_mighty_bosh said:

 

 

Get rid of our top scorer to add two more to what is already a bloated squad of strikers on the books.  You can do better than this.

Gonna end up finishing 9th with a striker earning 5k a week, epic fail.

2 minutes ago, oafc1955 said:

All of it!

So the expectation in August was that we'd be happy with 17 goals by Easter?

Which goal/s has he scored that made you think, blimey that was good?

How many games has he really stood out in, dragged his team along in?

25 minutes ago, oafc1955 said:

You really do talk some bollocks!!

Which bit do you disagree with?

7 minutes ago, Londonboy said:

No it isn't.

Norwood is not the problem. 

He has scored nearly a third of all our goals this season, which I suggest is as good a strike rate for a player, as in any team in the top 5 divisions.

As a team we simply don't create enough chances and so we dont score enough goals.

Only Halifax have scored fewer goals than us in the top 14 which is criminal with our so called "fab 4" strikers, plus Reid who can't get a game.

Without Norwood we really would be fucked.

His best days are behind him and we aren't going to create the chances he apparently needs under Mellon so I think it would be worth putting his wages to an alternative use.

4 minutes ago, nzlatic said:

That is a possible argument, but then again Norwood has scored goals and won promotion with Mellon before so there's no reason why they shouldn't be capable of recreating that.

Think we have to bear in mind that that was five years ago now, would be unfair to expect him to be the same player.

30 minutes ago, LightDN123 said:

But we hardly create chances for him. If he was missing chances each game I would understand. But he literally gets about half a chance each game. 

Fair enough I guess. But the style isn't going to radically change so is it worth looking at a different type of forward and using the wages to strengthen elsewhere?

Just now, LightDN123 said:

How can you honestly type that a 1 in 2 striker is a poor goal return ? It just doesn’t make sense. Do you expect him to score every game ? 

If he is so much better than the level as plenty suggest than I'd have hoping for around 2 in 3 as a minimum.

2 minutes ago, LightDN123 said:

What about the time we went on a decent winning streak and Norwood was scoring the goals ? 
 

Or we just pick and choosing again periods to fit our narratives ?

 

Look at his career, he’s continually bagged 1 in 2, he’s doing that here. Couldn’t give a fuck if he scores using the back of his head. It’s his goal. 

I haven't got a narrative, I said, in my opinion of course, that his goal returns and performances have been disappointing relative to the investment made in him.

3 minutes ago, LightDN123 said:

Well considering he’s averaged 1 in 2 throughout his career, including playing a significant amount in league 1/2, I am more inclined to judge him over that period. 
 

But if you want to focus on a couple of months when he’s been injured and we have been shite then crack on. 

Think we won 3 out of 5 in his absence, 0 in 5 since.

Makes you think.