RoytonBlueLad Posted November 14, 2007 Share Posted November 14, 2007 and teh front of the development couldnt confirm what allowances had been made within his proposals for the salable value! Like I said it wasn't all perfect it seems on our part but to assume when you're the one making the decision... Ah you know what I mean Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny punkster Posted November 14, 2007 Share Posted November 14, 2007 ive just read that statement on the fissial site again. i hope for someones sake that is now the offiical line from the TTAs or not the authors personal opinion. the wording is very dramatic. alarmist even. think before they announce eh? feck no! lets all bloody get 'em panicing! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chickers Posted November 14, 2007 Share Posted November 14, 2007 Not only was he entirley incorrect, it was also completely irrelevant to the decision over planning permission. the monetary side was irrelevant, but i think he was hinting at that the scale of the site was perhaps too large, ie could they take a tier off as with his calculations they could still make it pay (albeit it they are wrong calculations!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest oa_exile Posted November 14, 2007 Share Posted November 14, 2007 "Assumed". We're dealing with a multi million pound development and we have people who are making the key decisions assuming things! OK it seems not everything was spot on but assuming! Something i learnt in business a long time a go Assume only makes an ass - u - me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Takemeanywhere Posted November 14, 2007 Share Posted November 14, 2007 the monetary side was irrelevant, but i think he was hinting at that the scale of the site was perhaps too large, ie could they take a tier off as with his calculations they could still make it pay (albeit it they are wrong calculations!) His calculations were based on: 1. That the apartments would sell for £200k - come on, this is Oldham! 2. That you can build apartments for no cost - and this man is on a planning committee!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoytonBlueLad Posted November 14, 2007 Share Posted November 14, 2007 Something i learnt in business a long time a go Assume only makes an ass - u - me That's the one. Just a bit peed off I guess. Hopefully we'll get more tomorrow and TTA might be ready to take these gonks on Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garcon Posted November 14, 2007 Share Posted November 14, 2007 So... if this was down to lack of preparedness by the club and its representatives and incorrect/missing figures... what's with the four who voted for? This is about winning the argument, opinions. If four were convinced, I think there were probably enough councillors going to vote against whatever the presentation. Strikes me that planning law needs to be overhauled. Let the decisions be made by professionals, not hobby politicians who are more concerned about the votes of the nimby's than the future of the borough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoytonBlueLad Posted November 14, 2007 Share Posted November 14, 2007 His calculations were based on: 1. That the apartments would sell for £200k - come on, this is Oldham! 2. That you can build apartments for no cost - and this man is on a planning committee!! They were warned we were not trying to create apartments to rival that 6* hotel in Dubai weren't they? 200k sweet Jesus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chickers Posted November 14, 2007 Share Posted November 14, 2007 Something i learnt in business a long time a go Assume only makes an ass - u - me went to the same business school as me then mate! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc0000 Posted November 14, 2007 Share Posted November 14, 2007 They were warned we were not trying to create apartments to rival that 6* hotel in Dubai weren't they? 200k sweet Jesus The more im thinking about this the more angry I am getting !!! 200k!!!!!!!!! ??????? Bleeding dumbarse Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chickers Posted November 14, 2007 Share Posted November 14, 2007 So... if this was down to lack of preparedness by the club and its representatives and incorrect/missing figures... what's with the four who voted for? This is about winning the argument, opinions. If four were convinced, I think there were probably enough councillors going to vote against whatever the presentation. Strikes me that planning law needs to be overhauled. Let the decisions be made by professionals, not hobby politicians who are more concerned about the votes of the nimby's than the future of the borough. the people on the panel hadnt even realised that the floodlights for the stadia were to sit within the roof space, and thus emissions were to be mininal they must have spent about 10 mins labouring over this point Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest oa_exile Posted November 14, 2007 Share Posted November 14, 2007 That's the one. Just a bit peed off I guess. Hopefully we'll get more tomorrow and TTA might be ready to take these gonks on I am with you Mate ! , just trying to make a point that we all assumed that this would happen tonight including the Club. Think we were led to believe it was a formality and we just needed to turn up .........as you say "Just a bit peed off I guess". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoytonBlueLad Posted November 14, 2007 Share Posted November 14, 2007 "Just a bit peed off I guess". That's it, with the recommendation etc and then it seemed we were just waiting on the HA. They do their bit and we're through. They did and then something else crops up. Alas it seems not to be. For now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chickers Posted November 14, 2007 Share Posted November 14, 2007 The more im thinking about this the more angry I am getting !!! 200k!!!!!!!!! ??????? Bleeding dumbarse but if the representative (and i am not trying to have a go at anyone here) could have said no we have budgetted that they will retail about the 120k mark (say) then his argument would have been blown out of everyones mind as such by his comment, the people on the board are working out simple maths 80 million to build the WHOLE project, phase one has been approved say thats 15 mil already funded, so to do phase two will be 65 million, in which the owners are going to get a minimum of 100 million in revenue, which will give them 35 million profit its that one seed which can plant doubt in peoples minds, which is one that we couldnt blow away Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc0000 Posted November 14, 2007 Share Posted November 14, 2007 I am with you Mate ! , just trying to make a point that we all assumed that this would happen tonight including the Club. Think we were led to believe it was a formality and we just needed to turn up .........as you say "Just a bit peed off I guess". Thats not true! I think some people were fooling themselves that it would defo happen but i think the majority of people were nervous / worried it wouldnt happen. Anyway, agree that hopefully things will improve in the morning.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest oa_exile Posted November 14, 2007 Share Posted November 14, 2007 Thats not true! I think some people were fooling themselves that it would defo happen but i think the majority of people were nervous / worried it wouldnt happen. Anyway, agree that hopefully things will improve in the morning.... ..................and i said " Think we were led to believe it was a formality and we just needed to turn up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc0000 Posted November 14, 2007 Share Posted November 14, 2007 ..................and i said " Did you mean the club led us to belive ?? I dont think thats true either ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Takemeanywhere Posted November 14, 2007 Share Posted November 14, 2007 Did you mean the club led us to belive ?? I dont think thats true either ? Guys, come on. This is more tedious than listening to those councillors tonight. KTF Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chickers Posted November 14, 2007 Share Posted November 14, 2007 Did you mean the club led us to belive ?? I dont think thats true either ? perhaps not directly but the fact that they didnt reject it first time as they were waiting on the HA report, and then that came and it was all ok, would have led some people into thinking it was all done and dusted Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc0000 Posted November 14, 2007 Share Posted November 14, 2007 perhaps not directly but the fact that they didnt reject it first time as they were waiting on the HA report, and then that came and it was all ok, would have led some people into thinking it was all done and dusted Thats the those fans failure rather than the clubs.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inspiral_Carpet Posted November 14, 2007 Share Posted November 14, 2007 but if the representative (and i am not trying to have a go at anyone here) could have said no we have budgetted that they will retail about the 120k mark (say) then his argument would have been blown out of everyones mind as such by his comment, the people on the board are working out simple maths 80 million to build the WHOLE project, phase one has been approved say thats 15 mil already funded, so to do phase two will be 65 million, in which the owners are going to get a minimum of 100 million in revenue, which will give them 35 million profit its that one seed which can plant doubt in peoples minds, which is one that we couldnt blow away But there is the problem Chickers. At the start, The Representatives were given 3 minutes to support their case (in Latics instance, 4 years of work which consisted of 21 boxes of paperwork; reports; plans etc). They were then asked a couple of questions - most of which every Latics fan present could answer as these were included in the reports. The others were ludicrous such as how high is Bolton's Stand?! Then, the Councillors debated issues at length but were unable to ask anyone for answers as it wasn't allowed! Instead, they made theirt own assumptions and drove themselves into a hole. They prayed to be able to defer but their sphincters failed them when forced to make a decision. Bungling amateurs basically ignored the advice of a 30 year- Road Planning Specialist; The Highways Agency and a Specially commissioned; professional traffic report. Instead, they believed their own anecdoatal tales about how long it took them to get out of B&Q Car Park on a Saturday afternoon or how busy Broadway looked when they went to work. Complete and utter buffoons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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