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Maybe I'm beginning to take Ratboy's performances for granted. Yes he was immense (again). But for me, MoM was a very tight contest between Smalley and Alessandra who probably both had their best game for the club. Alessandra shades it by virtue of finally bagging that first goal!

I also thought Taylor had a much better game - perhaps simply because we had balance with Smalley on the right, which meant we didn't rely on Taylor as our only out ball.

I have to go for Allot over Smalley. Allott hit the ground running from the first minute. Dean took a little time to settle but did have probably his best game for the tic's after the first ten minutes

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Just remember, when Everton come in to buy you. I will carry your bags.!

Don't worry Terry, Chadwell buys his shorts from the same shop as Sean Gregan

Is that the one near carcraft in Rochdale?

Erm, yes, i forgot about that, but i dont think that exactly counts as missing a game. I was seriously ill that day. The only reason i went was because my missus was in the box and i got talked into sitting up there with two coats on and did not enjoy it what so ever. What makes it worse is that i actually turned up that day with my gear ready to do it, but on seeing me i was told by several staff NOT to be stupid enought o be chaddy that day.

 

Saying that, how many people do you know who go in work with a chest infection AND tonsilitis at the same time?

I'll stand in for you if you want Chaddy. I'm very popular on here.... Just need a xxxl outfit. !!!

CONFIDENCE PLAYER + ROLLICKING = PISS POOR PERFORMANCE

PLAYERS WHO NEED A ROLLICKING + ROLLICKING = IMPROVED PERFORMANCE.

 

It really is that simple.

I agree!!!

Terry, I know from your various comments on here that your views are at least partly based in your dislike for swearing. And if Shez's abuse is profane, loud, constant and easily heard by young fans nearby then there is an argument that you could quite rightly raise it, either with Shez directly or with the club.

 

However, that aside, surely you can appreciate that what you see of Shez on the touchline during a match (and to a degree the players' reactions) is but one part of his overall relationship with them. Most players and managers will tell you that it's what happens on the training pitch and in one to ones that really matters and that moulds relationships. The manager's balling from the touchline during a game rarely has much impact other than to make him feel better...

 

I know we have been inconsistent of late, but I simply do not believe a group of players who have lost faith in their manager could turn out the kind of performance they did on Saturday, especially Smalley and Alessandra who I thought both had probably their best game for the club.

I think that is where the misunderstanding has started. I know there is a time and a place for swearing. I do not dislike or like it. I am neutral. My point is and always has been, the apparant lack (IMO) of man management skills on the part of Sheridan and Wright. I have posted this before and it led to some good debate. However when the likes of JP start slinging personal insults into the post without ever addressing the issue it does rankle slightly.

I accept that I am not party to the training sessions and there could be an excellent morale at the club. It just surprises me that there is no encouragement coming from the bench during the game. Do You think this is right?

I also apologise for the way I posted the issue. It is something I feel strongly about for the following reason. I think we have one of the best squads in the 1st Division. One well capable of holding it's own in the championship with a couple of additions. However we are struggling to make the playoffs. The same players go onto the park mostly and yet they put in performances like they did against Hartlepool before a performance like yesterdays. I honestly believe that a little encouragement from the bench last Tuesday night may have helped. However there was none.

I also agree that Smalley (after a shaky start) had probably his best game for the club and Lewis played well enough to deserve his goal. Another poster on this issue also said Sheridan had to prompted to shake Lewis' hand when he came off. What would you have done? I know I gave the lad a standing ovation. If that makes me a moaning whinging asshole then so be it.

Your attempts to have a pop at Shez are ridiculous....

They're a matter of opinion. This is my opinion. Thats what this forum is for isn't it. we come on here to debate the issues around our club. This to me is a major issue. If you hate people like me you don't have to respond to the posts. I go to every game with optimism in my heart for the club and have done so since 1962ish. I have seen a couple of Managers in that time and watched a lot of football at BP. I am having a pop at Sheridans man management style. I think it makes him a poor manager along with some of the other issues that have been around BP this season. I honestly believe that we are in a good position in this league in spite of the management rather than because of it. I would love us to get into the Championship and will cheer and shout at every opportunity in order to make that a reality. that includes during the game when Chrissy Taylor loses the ball or Eards hoofs it 60 yards. I avoid personal insults as far as I can. I never say I hate other Latics fans just because they don't agree with my view. In fact I encourage the debate. It is not ridiculous to question a management style, its a legitimate question.

Do you think ??

Now add the next line of My post!!!

Tryy, THis is very interesting, but a couple fo points. You say later you want debate, but last time I saw the Oxford Debating Society they didn't start by going off on a right ant and tant. The very thing you accuse Sheridan of.

 

I will say three things to you regarding Shedian going into one:

It shows he cares.

What happened when we were 2-0 up, they got one back and culd have got back into the game.

How often have we faltered at the end of a game? Too often

I accept what your saying about Sheridan caring. I have never suggested he doesn't. All I am calling into question are his man management skills. These do not seem to be evident when he stands on the touchline. I would also add that when they got a goal back there were several routes he could have taken. Encouragement was one of them but he didn't. We did however go and score again so that could go aganst my argument. We don't know though that if he had been actively encouraging the players they may well have not conceded the goal in the first place. I accept that we have faltered towards the end of games but isn't that a question of fitness rather than man management.

Its fans like you that undermin what the manager is trying to achieve.... When we lose its all the managers fault and when we win you still find fault....

Where have I said that it is all the Managers fault. The players take responsibility on the pitch. Tha Managers job is to prepare them well and motivate them to play to the best of their abilities. It is also to encourage, praise, discipline, roast them and applaud when they score. And if Sheridan is undermined by my comments then he should be up the road for Gods sake. A bit of criticism against the Mighty Shez and everybody leaps down your throat. How do you think you get the best out of your employees then?

I am not finding fault with the team at all. They went out and beat one of our fiercest rivals on Satdi. Yippee!!! I just wish our Manager could have joined in with the feel good factor. When Tranmere got one back everybody around me was shouting things like "Come on Oldham" "Keep going Lads" "Lets have another" Pity our manager didn't...... Its our club and we have the right to have a view on issues. I just happen to think this is a major issue for the Tic's

do you know how he is with them on the training ground then,through the week leading upto the games????

 

brian clough,fantastic manager,wasnt affraid to tell players what he thought if they didnt do what he wanted.,suppose in your eyes he was crap as well.

 

the players train all week to a set pattern of play,then when they get onto the field they dont do what there trained for,damn right hes entitled to say what he thinks.

 

as for motivating,people wether it be football players to shelf stackers,get praise as and when it is warrented,you dont constanly clap applaud or praise them for every single thing they do as that would make you patronising.

 

they get paid to do a job,and that is to play football,if they dont do it right they get a talking to.if they continuasly get it wrong you discipline them.

 

can i suggest you sit somewhere else if it bothers you that much.

 

and change your name..happy!!! your avin a laff mate.

I am not a moaner as some on here would suggest. Mr Clough was one of the best man managers around. Do you know how he did it? He praised and cajoled and told players that they were better than they actually were. He also gave them roastings in equal measure WHEN they needed them. That is my point. One of the greatest managers of all time, Mr Matt Busby was a quietly spoken man who gave out praise and roastings during the game in equal measure, . Bill Shankly was fiercely protective of his players during, before and after the games. I was at Latics on Saturday and did not hear one positive sentence out of Sheridans mouth. Other supporters around me also heard his comments and held their heads in disbelief. It is not about the use of language either. I can F and blind with the best of them and sometimes do at Latics. You're just ticked off because I don't rate our Manager and his sidekick. Thats fine. It's my opinion as you have yours. What I am saying is that he has no man management skills and I will continue to do so. So lets drop the personal crap and debate the issue. I was a damn sight "happier" than Sheridan yesterday when we were 1-0 up. 2-0 up 2-1 up then 3-1 up. I was in fact jumping up and down applauding my team. Which I will do long after Sheridan is gone (God Willing). I don't expect many to call for Sheridans head but would just ask you to consider this. If you continually call someone CRAP they usually end up just that....CRAP.

I dont know .. we`ll never know, at the minute, if it means letting Shez go then i dont want to know.

 

I really dont know why this is such a big deal ... if he was nice to players people would say hes not aggressive enough.

 

Like ive said earlier, he just cant win

Thank you KP. At least you answer the point rather than leaping into the personal crap. It would be an interesting day if he were to try and be positive and negative in equal measure though wouldn't it?

do you know how he is with them on the training ground then,through the week leading upto the games????

 

brian clough,fantastic manager,wasnt affraid to tell players what he thought if they didnt do what he wanted.,suppose in your eyes he was crap as well.

 

the players train all week to a set pattern of play,then when they get onto the field they dont do what there trained for,damn right hes entitled to say what he thinks.

 

as for motivating,people wether it be football players to shelf stackers,get praise as and when it is warrented,you dont constanly clap applaud or praise them for every single thing they do as that would make you patronising.

 

they get paid to do a job,and that is to play football,if they dont do it right they get a talking to.if they continuasly get it wrong you discipline them.

 

can i suggest you sit somewhere else if it bothers you that much.

 

and change your name..happy!!! your avin a laff mate.

Your use of Brian Clough just goes to the heart of my argument.

I am not a moaner as some on here would suggest. Mr Clough was one of the best man managers around. Do you know how he did it? He praised and cajoled and told players that they were better than they actually were. He also gave them roastings in equal measure WHEN they needed them. That is my point. One of the greatest managers of all time, Mr Matt Busby was a quietly spoken man who gave out praise and roastings during the game in equal measure, . Bill Shankly was fiercely protective of his players during, before and after the games. I was at Latics on Saturday and did not hear one positive sentence out of Sheridans mouth. Other supporters around me also heard his comments and held their heads in disbelief. It is not about the use of language either. I can F and blind with the best of them and sometimes do at Latics. You're just ticked off because I don't rate our Manager and his sidekick. Thats fine. It's my opinion as you have yours. What I am saying is that he has no man management skills and I will continue to do so. So lets drop the personal crap and debate the issue. I was a damn sight "happier" than Sheridan yesterday when we were 1-0 up. 2-0 up 2-1 up then 3-1 up. I was in fact jumping up and down applauding my team. Which I will do long after Sheridan is gone (God Willing). I don't expect many to call for Sheridans head but would just ask you to consider this. If you continually call someone CRAP they usually end up just that....CRAP.

Aye come on Terry we`ve won like ive said many times now, if wed have lost then yeh vent some frustration, and no doubt many more will have joined the bandwagon and begun nit - picking ...

 

Next up he`ll get stick for wearing a tracksuit and not looking smart enough

KP. I'm over the moon that we've won. I also think there is a legitimate cause for debate over the way our Manager treats the players whilst they're on the pitch. All I want people to consider is this. Would they be a better team if the Management were a little more positive during the game? I'm not moaning about winning. I'm moaning about a management style.

Aye come on Terry we`ve won like ive said many times now, if wed have lost then yeh vent some frustration, and no doubt many more will have joined the bandwagon and begun nit - picking ...

 

Next up he`ll get stick for wearing a tracksuit and not looking smart enough

Now Now. don't put words in my mouth. There has never been a mention of his dress sense. Just his methods.

terrence.

yet again,you have exposed yourself as the upper educated wannabe you think you are.

all i've heard all evening is a positive outlook to today(lewis getting his first goal,beating a team above us,being in control of most of the game)and surprise surprise...terrence is moaning.

 

you obviously don't like shez,the current way things are going(oh look...we're now 9th,4 pts behind...catching up!)...but its not good enough.

 

mature folk are realising all the situations shez has had to cope with.

others haven't.

then some MOAN at any feckin chance they can....at ANYTHING!

 

MOAN MOAN MOAN.

 

yawn.

Its difficult to take you seriously when you don't take part in the debate JP. You seem to enjoy making personal attacks more. I praised and clapped my team for the majority of a game which, by the way, was more than Sheridan did. You are right on one point though. I don't rate Sheridan and have never hidden that fact. I do not dislike him. Just his methods. I'm sorry if my language is to highbrow for you. It's the way I talk. I don't see the Mods jumping in yet by the way.

"I think Shez has done a brilliant job for Oldham. I always knew he would. That's why I put him on the coaching staff there.

 

"I did that because of his ideas. He speaks his mind. He does not sit on the fence when he talks to players, the chairman or anyone. He is not a yes man. If he does not agree with you he tells you.

 

"He could fall out with a lot of people because of his honesty but I think there is a big future for John Sheridan."

 

Quotes from Ronnie Moore.

Are quotes from Ronnie Moore supposed to make it all alright then? Last time I looked no one at BP had a good word for the man. His tactics are crap. His style of play is poor bordering on terrible. It doesn't sound like a recommendation for Sheridan DS

On the fishal site Shez explains his role in respect of young Lewis and Deano.

 

http://www.oldhamathletic.premiumtv.co.uk/...1260428,00.html

I've read it DS but it doesn't alter the fact that you don't get the best out of your staff by behaving how sheridans does on the touchline. I just want a balanced approach.

been debated to the hilt and thats why most are bored with the for/against yawns.

some people need a cheeseburger though to see through the crap they spout.

Go and get one then

yeah....

How mature.

Ok .. well agree to disagree because .. well im never going to agree with what your putting.

 

I couldnt give two hoots what hes telling them .. surely te most important thing is weve won? I see no reason to nit pick after a fantastic result

Thats fine Kelly's, I believe in debate unlike some others on here. I would just like to add that neither of us know how much better this team could be if the Manager actually praised them occasionally whilst they were trying their nuts off.

ANYONE FROM MACDONALDS?

Yes. at least they know how to motivate staff.....

Exactly .. even if we are 3-1 one bad pass could lead to a break .. lead to a goal etc. Just because we are winning, until the whistle is blown we havent won if that makes sense .. i get what i mean. He cant let the player`s standards drop. Shez isnt alone .. many a manager does it .. calm down pal .. we won.

The best Managers know how to motivate, encourage and discipline when and if it is necessary. A "Well Done" or "Good pass" would not be out of order. Sheridan does not seem able to do this during the game. It is great that he praises them after the game if they have played well if that IS the case. He should do it during the game as well. You don't get employees to perform better by continually doing them down. Even if they work at McD's JP. You only get the best out of your staff by being fair and honest. Sheridan isn't honest with the lads. He's frankly abusive. Thats a fact!!!

... yes .. yes!!!! oh... just before we appoint Philliskirk .. lets just let the kitman, or perhaps the groundsman know that they have a shot of being manager in 12 months time.... as you rightfully say, change is best!

 

.. and before you say, I sit in the main stand paddock too... i'm a big boy and can take the language - so can supposed proffesional footballers... Shez is old school, but that is fine for me...

 

Sack a manger 'cos he swears at players??? Yeah right....

I'd take any one of them

f**k me! we win and its the final straw!

And still he was screaming at the players....