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    Flag Gate

    in The opinions4u Terraces - Latics Forum

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    24 minutes ago, ShakerT said:

    What I was referring too was the people behind the flag at the game might know people or have been directly involved in the horrible events at the MEN. But you knew that.

     

    Nope, I didn't - and knowing that now makes me feel a little uneasy, I would never have thought that the sum total of impact felt from the Arena atrocity for some would be a cheap, shite flag with mixed messages on it. You seem to know about the Black Standard or at least the people who use it, how about the Ulster Banner?

    OWTB - What's it worth?

    in The opinions4u Terraces - Latics Forum

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    On 05/07/2017 at 0:05 PM, Stagger Lee said:

    I'm not seeing the donation paypal link - apart from on this threads first post - which is a subscription link.

     

    I can see this though ...
    pixel.gifClick on the PayPal button and please donate whatever you can to keep OWTB up and running, thanks - OWTB Admin Team

     

    But there is no link to click!

     

    Help - I feel Royally ashamed and need to absolve my sins :lol:

     

    Hi, okay - I'll work on that, thanks for the feedback.

    General Election - 8th June 2017

    in The Andy Gorton Taproom

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    9 hours ago, UsedtobeWozzer said:

    The only quote I see in there from a Labour MP talks about putting pressure on May in parliament, it's hardly digging up IRA weapons and taking to the streets is it? 

     

    And if if you're relying on The Socialist Party to be a barometer of the political left you may as well equate the Tories to Britain First. If you're looking for extremism then you will find it, I prefer more mainstream political discourse ?

     

    He's on the wind-up.

    General Election - 8th June 2017

    in The Andy Gorton Taproom

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    7 hours ago, kowenicki said:

     

    Tell that to David Cameron of 2010. He might disagree. 

     

    Get used to coalitions or deals of support. We might get a few more in the future.  Labour will certainly need it if they are to ever lead again. 

     

    I'd rather see a less sarcastic, banter-esque, one-liner, hate at all costs at whatever price Parliament that encourages cross-party debate to reach a fair decision than the Parliament we have now - essentially using half-assed coalitions with backwater parties. I'm sure you'll agree, in this instance using the UDP as a crutch for power will only end in tears,and more besides.

     

    I don't have to get used to anything.

    General Election - 8th June 2017

    in The Andy Gorton Taproom

    Posted

    Just now, frizzell54 said:

     

    Ulster Unionists have always been Tory and the SDLP traditional Labour, nothing new here.

     

    I know who they are, I just can't believe that the Conservatives would allow a Protestant Unionist party with paramilitary links anywhere near Government after trying to attack Corbz with the IRA connection.

    General Election - 8th June 2017

    in The Andy Gorton Taproom

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    Just got an updated email from fullfact.org - it has all of the talking points we've featured here over the last few weeks - it's worth a read...

     

    Last minute factchecking before you vote!
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    Are you ready to vote?


    Huge and sincere thanks to everyone who has donated, shared and otherwise supported us during the campaign. We're all pretty exhauted! 

    We will be back soon with a full roundup of what we achieved together. In the meantime, here's a selection of our most popular and important factchecks from the campaign. 
     

    FACTCHECK

    Big meaningless numbers: that viral economy infographic


    We don’t care how you vote but we do care that you get the facts. Please don’t take scorecards like the one below at face value.

    This has been circulating on social media in the last few days and many people have asked us about it. 

    Read more
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    Five people worked on this factcheck and it took us 3 days to make. Factchecking takes time (and man/womanpower) and this is why we're crowdfunding for the election.

    It's all over at 23:59 tonight. Please donate and help get us to 100%. We're at 95% at the moment!
     

    The Manifestos

     

    FACTCHECK
    Labour’s Land Value Tax: will you have to sell your garden?


    Many people asked us about the so-called "Garden Tax". Labour has only committed to considering the idea, as have the Green and Liberal Democrat parties.Ultimately if it was adopted it would depend on how the policy was actually designed.

    There's no reason to assume enthusiastic gardeners would be badly hit by switching systems. 

    Read more
     

    FACTCHECK
    Naylor Review: will the Conservatives sell NHS property to developers?


    Many people also asked us about the Naylor Review of NHS land. Published in March 2017, it’s come to public attention more recently after Theresa May confirmed in an interview that the government supported the independent review’s recommendations.

    The basic message of the Naylor Review is that some NHS assets should be sold in order to improve the rest. 

    Read more
     

    FACTCHECK
    NHS viral video, factchecked


    We factchecked a video making numerous claims about the NHS that had gone viral with 9.8 million views on Facebook. This was part of our election work with First Draft.

    Read more
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    FACTCHECK
    Have armed police numbers been cut?


    There are about 700 fewer now than in 2010. Labour's claim accurately quotes the latest published Home Office figures, but a recruitment drive and newer figures from the National Police Chiefs' Council have changed the picture. The numbers are expected to return to 2010 levels over the next few years.

    Read more
     

    EXPLAINER
    What is the “dementia tax”?


    It’s a name used by some to describe the Conservative’s proposals for adult social care. The party’s manifesto put forward three key proposals for England.

    Read more
     

    BLOG

    Election 2017: what the parties haven’t told voters 


    Full Fact factchecks what the parties do say. Often what they haven’t said matters even more.

    On the economy –

    “The shame of the two big parties’ manifestos is that neither sets out an honest set of choices.”

    “It is likely that the Conservatives would either have to resort to tax or borrowing increases to bail out public services under increasing pressure, or would risk presiding over a decline in the quality of some of those services, including the NHS.

    “Labour’s commitment to a much bigger public sector would require higher taxes that affect many of us. A bigger state than the one we have been used to is perfectly feasible as many countries have demonstrated, but Labour should not pretend that such a step-change could be funded entirely by a small minority at the very top.” — Institute for Fiscal Studies. Read more.

    On the NHS –

    “Projections by the independent Office for Budget Responsibility suggest that a real-terms funding increase of about £30 billion a year is needed in five years’ time to enable the NHS to deal with these pressures. None of the main political parties has pledged enough to cover even half of that, while the share of our national wealth spent on healthcare would fall under all of their plans.” — Health Foundation, Nuffield Trust, King’s Fund. Read more.

    On immigration –

    “The manifestos are not credible on post-Brexit immigration... Both parties argue that free movement should end after we leave the EU, but details beyond that are patchy. Delivering change on this sort of scale will take years, and voters may find themselves back at the ballot box in 2022 before any new government’s manifesto promises on immigration become a reality.” — Institute for Government. Read more.

    On Brexit –

    “The Conservative, Labour and Liberal Democrats’ manifestos all ignore the true potential impact of Brexit.”

    The academics point out how Brexit negotiations will affect the economy, health, and immigration and say: “What is striking, is that while all three parties view Brexit as a major event, the manifestos treat it largely in isolation from other aspects of policy, rather than the defining issue of the next parliament.” — UK in a Changing Europe. Read more.

    General Election - 8th June 2017

    in The Andy Gorton Taproom

    Posted

    On 02/06/2017 at 3:34 PM, kowenicki said:

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    On 02/06/2017 at 3:41 PM, kowenicki said:

    anyone checking that table I just posted.  is  it wrong?

     

    Fullfact.org seem to think so...
     

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    Big meaningless numbers: that viral economy infographic.


    We don’t care how you vote but we do care that you get the facts. Please don’t take scorecards like the one below at face value.
    This has been circulating on social media in the last few days and many people have asked us about it.

     

     

    https://fullfact.org/economy/big-meaningless-numbers-viral-economy-infographic/

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