Gary1906

1 hour ago, cmr said:

Placide was a revalation when he first got into the team but since christmas his head has gone. His distribution was by far his strongest point and even that's been very poor lately, I don't know what he was thinking on Saturday. So many goals conceeded where he's wrong footed, rooted to the spot. I like the guy but I'd take Ripley every day of the week, 17 clean sheets for a team fighting relegation is amazing, especially at his age and with his age he can only get better with experience.

Couldn’t agree more. It’s Ripley over Placide every time for me. 

25 minutes ago, latics22 said:

Ripley was in a team set up to defend he hasn’t exactly done well since

Best goalkeeper we’ve had in years though.

If we stay up - and I’m reasonably confident that we will do - then the owner needs to ‘push the boat’ out to secure Doyle permanently and hopefully Conor Ripley as well. Johnny is a liability I’m afraid. Not just because of the Portsmouth game, that mistake has been coming for a while, but generally he just isn’t in the same league as Ripley. I think that with a new goalkeeper, a centre half (or two), a midfield tackler, and a centre forward, we will be a lot better next season.

9 hours ago, oafc_lover said:

 

Anyone would think he only had the 1 day to sound them out and get them. 

He might have had, for all we know.

57 minutes ago, opinions4u said:

 

Your opinion is a predictable moan of its own.

Bore off! Yawn Yawn

Keep your opinions 4 you.

8 minutes ago, TheBigDog said:

 

So... it seems to me that your post demonstrates the same characteristics that you are decrying. Namely that an alternative view is not allowed - and to emphasise that point let’s stick ‘NO’ in capitals. And let’s further weight the argument by not even welcoming a response (‘before any of you respond...’)

 

if you don’t agree with someone’s opinion then you have the option to put your view across. Maybe some are just calling it as they see it? Whether or not their opinion coincides with yours.

 

For what it’s worth, I believe Richie deserves more time to turn it around but I also recognise that if we continue to lose games and are relegated then maybe his position should be under review.

 

 

 

I stick by my opinion that some people on here aren’t happy unless they’re moaning. 

It’s boring in its predictability. Yawn 

45 minutes ago, Chris Richard said:

I don't think getting rid of RW is going to achieve anything. We need stability which we haven't had for a very long time. As someone mentioned, the appoint, sack,repeat cycle is the real killer here. 

I acknowledge that Kelly wasn't good enough and Dunn was nowhere near ready but we seem as a club to be getting trigger happy. In RW we have a young manager with bags of experiences as a player at different clubs and some experience shadowing Shez as a coach for a good spell. He knows how this club works.

We need to invest time in Richie as we did with Lee Johnson. All the foundations are there, we need to be patient. 

If we do sack him it brings us back to square one, who do we bring in/ who would want the job? I guarantee it will be another rookie and the cycle repeats. Let's stick with the one we already have, the one that actually knows what's going on. 

Spot on! Stability is what’s required. He’s a young manager finding his feet. Give him a proper chance for gods sake!!

Im sick of the negative people - so called supporters - on here. And before any of you respond by saying you’re being realistic, NO you’re being negative.

Some of them aren’t happy unless they are moaning!!

Get behind the manager, get behind the team and hopefully we can move forward with a bright young manager.

Next season he needs an experienced assistant, someone who isn’t going to pack it in after 2 minutes. He can get in some decent new recruits and mould his team to the way he wants it.

At the moment he’s learning as he goes along. Give him a chance!!!

On 01/02/2018 at 7:01 PM, whittles left foot said:

So how does being injured make a difference? He did not play. Knew you would say we lost-well we lost on New Tears Day and he was dreadful. His 'replacement ' is a fringe player-one of the ones brought in for no apparent reason which is all contributing to our crap season-again.

You will not read a bigger load of rubbish on here this year.

Just as a matter of interest, what did you think of Fanes performance yesterday?

3 hours ago, kowenicki said:

 

Very good indeed.  

 

“Bloody crap foreigners forced on Wellens”

Omrani, Mouache, Menig to name but 3 that haven’t exactly covered themselves in glory.

Nothing wrong with foreign players who are better than what we’ve got. Sub-standard ones though are a waste of our wages budget.

3 hours ago, kowenicki said:

Fane was huge today.

 

Moimbe will do for me.

 

Dummigan with an incredible strike

 

Byrne put in a shift at last

 

Gardner reborn. 

 

Gerrard showed leadership... a captains performance

 

 

 

 

Agreed!

5 minutes ago, LaticsLegend said:

 

I don't buy this Wilson 7/10 business. If that was the case, he would be starting week in, week out.

 

I'd say a consistent 5.5 or 6/10.

I disagree, I think he’s usually 7/10 when he plays, but his versatility means that the manager is likely to pick a specialist full back or centre half rather than someone who ‘can do a job’ in either position.

Placide

Dummigan

Bryan

Gerrard

Moimbe

Gardner

Fane

Pringle

McLaughlin

Davies

Nazon

I think he will have Byrne on the bench today. Both he and Pringle were looking to play the same role last week, I think we only need one proper playmaker.

Jack hasn’t quite been ‘at it’ yet since he came back.

Pringle hasn’t impressed me at all yet but RW might just want to give him a chance on his own today, plus he must be getting more match fit now. Worth a try. Especially if Jack is on the bench.

25 minutes ago, kowenicki said:

 

You say its not a guess and then you say it is a guess ("obviously what that means is open to debate") 

 

Maybe RW didn't want to offer him another year either, maybe the player just wanted to join Barnsley... he thinks we could have got Cole if we had been more aggressive, or perhaps it wouldn't have mattered because maybe Cole wanted to play for a more successful club?

 

Its a guess.

 

You saw it as a dig because you want to see it as a dig.  If he actually having a dig at the hierarchy already he may as well leave now, because that will turn into excuses and he will fail because he is giving himself an excuse to fail.

 

I think he is pissed off he didn't get them, I understand that completely, but he should now get back on it and knuckle down.  If he doesn't then he isn't managerial material anyway.

 

 

Nobody is saying that he isn’t knocking down and getting on with it. Now you’re guessing!!

What I took from the interview was that he was indeed pissed off at missing out on the two players that he really wanted, and I got the distinct impression that it wasn’t down to him but down to others at the club.

Only my opinion.

3 minutes ago, palmer1 said:

Since when did a manager actually telling people how it is and what happened become a bad thing?

 

social media is constantly talking about lack of communication and lack of transparency from people within the club and when someone finally explains why something didn't happen (transfers) in detail he told to 'shut the fuck up and get on with it!'  'stop moaning!'  An agreement to get a defender (a friend as well) is made only for a championship club to take him on the final hours due to league position would piss anyone off

 

I like Wellens and like his interview style. He doesn't stand fools and im sure he gets frustrated which shows sometimes (Shez was the same)  but wouldn't you if youre being met with nothing but road blocks constantly and then answering the same questions over and over again everyday ?

 

He is getting on with things but if the club or Wellens had said nothing there would be rumours we did nothing to get people in and how shit we are. Sometimes they cant win

 

 

 

 

They are damned if they do and damned if they don’t.

Personally I think Wellens - compared to Shez - is much more open in his interviews.

It might be due to him being new to the job and it might show some naivety on his part.

Some people will always look to find fault though no matter what is said or not said.

I hope he carries on the way he has been though, it’s refreshing to hear. 

1 hour ago, kowenicki said:

 

Which is of course a guess.  Maybe they just didn't fancy joining a club that is at the foot of the table and managed by a Rookie?  Maybe its a combination of factors.  We don't know.  People are getting way ahead of themselves on RW's ability... he has done nothing yet and proved nothing.

Not a guess if you watch and listen to his press conference.

He said that we could have got Matt Mills if we’d offered him an extra year. This is a player that Barnsley clearly rate but we wouldn’t do the necessary to get him.

He also said that we could have got Devante Cole if we’d been more aggressive. Obviously what that means is open to debate but I saw it as a thinly veiled dig at the hierarchy and moneymen at Boundary Park.

Both players went to clubs higher up than us. In one way it’s good that we was in for them but obviously frustrating that we couldn’t have gone a bit further particularly with our precarious League position.

Speculate to accumulate and all that .......

2 hours ago, ChaddySmoker said:

There are none so blind as those who will not see! 

If you actually watched the games you would see how little he actually adds to the team and what he misses.

It is a game of opinions and you think that others are not allowed to disagree with yours. You are wrong.  My opinion is as valid as yours but it is more correct.

Other posters will agree with you but I had the same type of arguments about Wesolowski and Winchester who were both (and ended up as) 4th division players.  Bye x

Fane will always divide opinion. The only opinion that actually affects the team though is Wellens’, and he must like him seeing as he always picks him! Perhaps your knowledge of football is greater than our manager.

I agree with you on Winchester, always thought he was weak.

Wesolowski on the other hand though was Player of the Year so he must have had something going for him. The only reason he left for Shrewsbury was for more money, he’s not the first one that has left Latics for that reason. Always thought he was pretty good though.

7 minutes ago, yarddog73 said:

I see anyone who has any concerns about how things go on at the club is being labelled yet again as having an agenda (Wellens included). What a load of bollocks that is, Wellens is probably more aware than anyone whats going on behind the scenes and his concerns are not being raised out of self interest but from genuine concerns, maybe he realises that this squad isn't up to keeping us in this division and the two key players he wanted he's missed out on, I keep reading about this squad is the best we have had for years - really? A look at the league table tells you all you need to know, one thing it is is the most disjointed, fragmented squad we've had full of round pegs and deadwood who are never gonna get into the team, no manger in the land could work under those circumstances.

Spot on. I hope we can survive this season, and Wellens is given some proper backing in the close season to get rid of the deadwood and try to bring some quality in. If he’s got the players I think he - and the club - will be successful.

9 hours ago, Buckshawlatic said:

 

Robinson regularly (every week from day 1) said we should be bottom of the league 

 

why does everyone keep saying “foreigners” like that in itself is automatically a negative?

 

bet City are furious Augero isn’t English 

 

Kuqui, Pogliacomi, Stam, Wijnhard, Kusunga, Lanzoni were all “foreign” they did ok for us as did Gunnar Halle 

There’s a difference though between foreign players and sub-standard foreign players. We have seen too much of the latter lately. 

No affinity to the club, just looking for a game at any club that will have them and unfortunately due to our dire financial position in recent times we’ve fallen for them. Quite clearly they’ve not been good enough though otherwise they’d be in the team week in week out. 

8 hours ago, b0ndl1ne said:

Can you blame him? He says he wants to turn the mentality and culture of the club around and is hampered at every turn.

 

I’d much rather we have a manager who is honest and see through than someone who is monotone and churns out the verbatim statements that most other managers make, see Robinson, Kelly, Shez.

 

The man was a winner in his playing career, a recent career not one 20years ago. He knows what is needed to get us out of this league.

 

Do you think if Scholes had been given the job and then experienced this he would have been any different to Wellens? Of course he wouldn’t, he would probably have walked.

 

If we didn’t have to pay all these rubbish foreigners wages (Omrani & Maouche on 2yr deals for example) we could have given Matt Mills an extra year on his deal  - a defender who has played all his career in the championship and we could have sealed a deal with Devante Cole - a proven goal scorer in this league rather than allow Fleetwood to tout him around.  These players have gone to Barnsley and Wigan and we could have had them.

 

Then add on players getting injured on a bog of a pitch and regularly being unable to train on said pitch and there’s a recipe for failure. 

 

Wellens sees these players every day, not just what they do at 3pm on a Saturday. If they’ve not got the mentality that he believes is needed and wants to bring in players who do then we have to trust him and back him not criticise and doubt. 

Can’t disagree with any of this. He’s a bright, young manager who wants to be successful. The fact that we could have got 2 players in who Barnsley and Wigan feel are good enough for their squads is a good sign in a way, but Wellens is obviously frustrated that the powers that be couldn’t push the boat out for at least one of them.

I think he’s potentially got a good future as a manager, the way that he got the team playing earlier in the season shows that.

Every manager though is really only as good as his players, and unfortunately we don’t have a strong enough group.

RW recognises that of course. He could be at the wrong club if we can’t match his ambitions.

7 minutes ago, welshgaz said:

Our most attacking successful period came with Fane in the team. Shez didn't fancy him, Wellens understood that to actually score goals you need to have the ball first and brought him straight back in. No wat would we have had that successful spell without Fane being in the team. I can't believe his place in the team is even up for debate.

 

Completely mindless in this day and age to play football without a ball winner, at any level.

Agreed 100%

Some people are just blinkered and will never see any of the good work that he puts in.

One things for sure though, having spoken to RW about him, he certainly sees his value to the team, as do Byrne and Gardner.

Still, what do they know eh?!?! ?

7 minutes ago, oafc_lover said:

 

Put in the team to break down play/tackle and do a simple pass to Byrne/Gardner who then move us forward.

 

That is exactly what he does. 

 

Do you want him to have the passing ability of De Bruyne and a Paul Scholes esque laced shot?

 

He does what is asked of him very well. What isn’t there to understand about that?

16 minutes ago, ChaddySmoker said:

Let's not let the actual facts get in the way of a good sarcy comment.

 

He won't.

 

Pot/Kettle Been through it with several different midfielders who invariably end up in the 4th division.

 

Plenty of dummies coming out tonight.

Just looking at your username. What is it that you actually smoke??? ???

55 minutes ago, ChaddySmoker said:

He cannot pass f--ing water and actually does not win the ball very often.

 

As for also not scoring any goals yet and being incapable of winning headers I cannot think of much to recommend him.

Ridiculous comments. Try to be a bit less blinkered and a bit less biased, then people might take your comments a bit more seriously.

Just now, deyres42 said:

He wins the ball, that is true.

 

It is also true to say that he has no awareness whatsoever and is ill suited to playing in a midfield 2 at the moment, especially when the other one is Gardner.

I can’t believe I’m defending him because in the past I’ve just thought that he’s poor, and in a lot of ways he still is, but he’s undoubtedly improved under RW, and what he does do he does very well. I really think we would miss him if he wasn’t in the team. I never thought I’d say that about him.

2 minutes ago, GlossopLatic said:

 

Not sure how serious you are being there  

 

 

We are but we've outscored everyonelse in the bottom half and have the worst defense in the country we keep gifting teams goals we have gone back to conceding 2 a game which got John Sheridan the sack and will see us go down if we carry on doing this we cant neglect this. Even without Doyle we have the attacking players to get us goals. If 2 of Mclaughlin Tope Byrne Gevaro find enough form to create chances 1 or 2 of Davies Nazons or Holloway will find the back of the net enough times but if we keep shipping goals it wont matter.

 

 

Hes the one player who has come out of the last month with added credit at the moment he is doing his bit no need to take him out. Its other players who I think should be dropped.

 

 

Request refused

 

They didnt play too many killer balls through or dprayed the ball around like John Sheridan. Box to box players? To an extent, but box to box players usually get more than 3 goals a season, we couldnt call them attacking midfielders for that reason either. They went round winning the ball back and playing simple passes to the more creative players if defensive midfielders don't do that what do they do?

Which is exactly what Fane does. Wins the ball and plays a simple pass to a more creative player.

7 minutes ago, whittles left foot said:

So how does being injured make a difference? He did not play. Knew you would say we lost-well we lost on New Tears Day and he was dreadful. His 'replacement ' is a fringe player-one of the ones brought in for no apparent reason which is all contributing to our crap season-again.

You will not read a bigger load of rubbish on here this year.

7 minutes ago, whittles left foot said:

So how does being injured make a difference? He did not play. Knew you would say we lost-well we lost on New Tears Day and he was dreadful. His 'replacement ' is a fringe player-one of the ones brought in for no apparent reason which is all contributing to our crap season-again.

You will not read a bigger load of rubbish on here this year.

8 minutes ago, whittles left foot said:

So how does being injured make a difference? He did not play. Knew you would say we lost-well we lost on New Tears Day and he was dreadful. His 'replacement ' is a fringe player-one of the ones brought in for no apparent reason which is all contributing to our crap season-again.

You will not read a bigger load of rubbish on here this year.

9 minutes ago, whittles left foot said:

So how does being injured make a difference? He did not play. Knew you would say we lost-well we lost on New Tears Day and he was dreadful. His 'replacement ' is a fringe player-one of the ones brought in for no apparent reason which is all contributing to our crap season-again.

You will not read a bigger load of rubbish on here this year.

You’re entitled to your opinion. As am I, I think. 

Such a shame you have a name of one of our golden oldies.

You do him a disservice.