Andy b

Incidently, welcome views of others on next move. Provisionally we have a fan meeting on or before 20th (as per the letter). That may go ahead even if AL doesn’t want to attend.

Not yet committed to a next move but options are on the table. Meeting tomorrow night. Something will be communicated thereafter. thanks

New owner, new approach based on being more visible in what we are asking of the owner and open about whether we are getting that. Fan-led. we need people to sign up to the trust to give us a louder voice though.

Fair points you make. nothing is off the table going forward though and whilst blackpool’s protest may not be directly responsible for their rebirth you have to admire their resilience and focus on trying to get their club back. They had a well defined cause which fans almost universally understood and bought into. The anomaly of a promotion didn’t blow them off course. My overall point is that we need to focus on the bigger picture of how our club is run and it’s long term viability. Short term improvement on the pitch shouldn’t distract us though admitidly it might have a bearing on the steps we take and the way we go about furthering our cause. horses for courses.

Didn’t say it did achieve anything and I am not promoting a boycott. I merely pointed out that the boycott was maintained despite on the pitch success in response to someone questioning whether another poster would realistically maintain their personal boycott if we went up. Point being that Blackpool’s protest was about the ownership and manner in which the club was run. They remained focused on the bigger picture despite success on the pitch.

Blackpool got promoted and it made little difference to their crowds. Boycott was maintained

Yes money would be a game changer, guaranteed. In the meantime fans and the trust can only focus on what is in their power. Ie encouraging the current owner to take steps to make sure he is creating the conditions within the club which ensure it has a future and is able to achieve its full potential within its limited means.

I did not say being run well results in or assures success. but, I can assure you that the chances of achieving success, in lieu of a well heeled backer, are dramatically increased if this club were is run responsibly and sustainably and in a positive manner. Oafc is toxic. Has been for years. We had the makings of a good side and good manager in Johnson. He saw sense. Ditto scholes (whether he had the makings of a good manager I don’t know). the off pitch environment is a major hindrrence to achieving anything. That’s not just down to the current owner.

Yes it’s ultimately about winning. but the teams that win (ie achieve something) are almost always those that are well run and have a stable and sustainable existence. If follows that we have to focus on that. If this club achieved that existence the prospects of winning would increase significantly. That we haven’t achieved anything for 28 years is, to a very significant degree, down to how this business has been run by its various owners. its no good saying that you only car about winning. How about focusing on the conditions (largely off the pitch) which are conducive to that

Let’s be clear that our current approach of making the owner feel our presence and and winning on the pitch are not mutually exclusive. Vocal match day protest may destabilise on the pitch output but our current approach need not. i can’t condone turning a blind eye just because we are performing on the pitch right now. Any campaign will never gain momentum if we take that approach. We have to stick to our guns whilst approaching this in a responsible manner.

Thanks for the edit. That answers my q’s. Trust meet on Monday and there will be much debate about this

Most believe our current approach is necessary. Would you agree with that? Not trying to challenge just want to understand your thoughts on this. Or are you suggesting most think the trust have done the wrong thing or simply that most are indifferent?

I give our fans a bit more credit than that. not saying there is appetite for a vocal protest, or indeed that that’s approrpriate in any case, but our more assertive approach will be backed by most notwithstanding results, I believe

Galvanising fans in any form when winning regularly on the pitch is more challenging I agree.

A response to our letter is not the end game. Ultimately we seek a change in approach from the owner. If people think they are seeing that then great. Let’s focus on the bigger picture. It’s not about results on the pitch over a 3 week period. Enjoy the wins though.

AL has not acknowledged receipt of the letter. It has been received. has it been read? No idea at this stage will we receive a response? No idea at this stage

Skills / knowledge needed to have a credible opinion on how to fix brexit - at least a basic understanding of politics, economics and political processes Skills / knowledge needed to have a credible opinion on how to improve marmite - knowledge of how condiments are made (!) Skills / knowledge needed to have a credible opinion on how to improve the activities and effectiveness of Trust Oldham - a brain and a passion for OAFC You need to have a bit more faith in yourself my friend.

Am sat on the trust board and am trying to engage our fans in a positive way. It’s good to do that face to face sometimes. We are not an anonymous bunch of random people with nothing in common. We are few. This guy/girl wants to knock the trust at every turn because of the kicks he gets out of it without offering any suggested ways of addressing the issues he has. i suspect that says a lot about his outlook on and approach to life. He is seeking to damage the organisation i act for and which is trying to do good things for the club we all claim to love. i’d like to talk it through. Suspect it won’t happen though. Naive? Probably. as it happens my message was sent to mcfluff (a registered user of this site - don’t ask me why) rather than McFluff. Lets try and again. Will message you McFluff.

Personal message sent by me to McFluff on 28th March. no response and not read. thanks

Ha ha. Many on here talk sense. Backing is reassuring. There are always some more challenging characters.

It’s my fault. I shouldn’t be biting. Am new to this!

Not being wedded to a fully resolved and fixed plan and being open to suggestions from fans does not constitute zero plan. Welcome your suggestions if you have any. i doubt you will find another fan who views me reaching out for thoughts/suggestions/ideas in such a negative way. It’s perverse.

He shoots he scores. Thanks for your positive contribution in seeking to improve our football club. We are indebted.

Trust Board meet on 8th. That will come up. What would you (and others for that matter) suggest we do in those circumstances?

They didn’t. The letter has been received. Let’s see what comes of it. Lets not get bogged down in insignificant details that don’t really matter, with due respect. i am off to catch up on alan partridge. Night night.