Andy b

Crikey you have bitten haven’t you. 38 year old pro’s in whose place? Pop round mate and I will give you a lesson in structuring a logical evidence based argument which avoids internal contradiction. That’s where you are struggling at the moment I feel.

5 points would be 17 per cent more points than we have right now and would put us in the top ten. That is a very significant difference by any account tell me again why would you not play a player who would have that sort of impact on your points total and league position ?

I will agree to agree on peter Clarke. I’d also say, on balance, that DW would be less effective than Virgil Van Dijk in that regard. However that’s a moot point as neither he, nor Peter Clarke, are part of our current shower of a defence. Moreover neither are contracted players of oldham athletic at the present time nor are they likely to be in the near future.

He was also part of a defence which shipped significantly fewer goals than this seasons offer. As a centre back I will judge his performance last season on that not his ‘influence on games’ whatever that means.

There’s lots you can’t influence, including many of the bigger issues at our club which you say we should be focusing on instead of DW. Doesn’t mean you can’t bemoan the manner in which the club is being run, including the treatment of players. It doesn’t mean you can’t attribute some weight to that treatment as the reason why we are where we are. What can we do about it? Not a massive amount, but it’s good to put the CE under the spotlight in relation to this matter as it is an issue, and a live one at that. If there are things we can control/influence that our more worthy of fans focus then I am all ears. The treatment of players like DW is up there as a big issue for me. Granted there are others equally deserving of our attention.

Jonny smith played in that team. Would you not bother with him either?

Nepo. Gardner. Point is it’s still happening isn’t it. And I agree with the reason why he is doing it (as far as we know) but it doesn’t appear to happen at other clubs to the same degree. What if Rowe or Dearnley says something which AL doesn’t take kindly to next week? That’s no way to run an organisation. It’s an issue for me and I wouldn’t be playing it down in the way you are suggesting

My point isn’t that he is cutting out players because they have something to offer rather, as matter of fact, a number of the players he has cut out do happen to have something to offer. There’s a big difference. I will leave others to judge whether DW would offer something or not. Goals against might give you a clue to my personal view on that.

Agree he’s average but he would be our best defender. it is symbolic of a continued strategy of freezing out players who have something to offer. Why does it keep happening and is still happening. There’s your bigger picture issue

No. You don’t just brush these things under the carpet. That’s what the club wants you to do

Yes but it’s illustrative of the way the club is run. Sometimes something can be symbolic and highlight important issues without being that important in its own right.

Good post that wiseowl

The Trust gets the current mood and the reasons for it. However it would be a gross over simplication of the situation to assume that all out war is automatically the best choice. I am not saying it is or isn’t but there are conflicting views on this board on this which illustrates the point. At the request of fans, the Trust turned up the heat on the owner in March. The concensous was for the course of action taken. To some degree he has responded well to that in terms of the expectations we set out and like it or not he was given the opportunity to prove whether he could be better. He has been given the close season to prove that thus far. We have to now look at the direction of travel with the benefit of some games under our belt and with club operations back up and running. Have we seen anything to suggest we are on a positive (or at least flat) trajectory on and off the pitch? (thats a retorical question by the way). Then it’s a question of what the right move is. Trust meet on Monday.

https://trustoldham.co.uk/our-home-2019-20/

https://trustoldham.co.uk/board-appointments-2019-20/ Darren Ratcliffe’s appointment to the Club Board also (finally) confirmed today.

I actually agree the pitch faired reasonably well last season. There seems to be a 4 week period around mid feb where it struggles but looks ok again come mid March. Don’t see what all the fuss is about myself

If such a statement has been made then that’s clearly not a positive endorsement. However any such statement has to be viewed in the context of the matter in question and not outside of this. What this actually means and any associated alleged failing are not currently clear to the Trust. We are looking into it.

Royle and Sheridan certainly hadnt

This.

I get that but I and others on the trust will not be treated like crap. What I am trying to illustrate, and my counter point in all this, is that approaching the trust in the manner that a number do on here will not get fans very far either. No one wins then. We want the same things. Pls try and remember that. If you have no faith in the trust do something about it.

Good to know. Not my experience of business.

You have illustrated my point perfectly. Thank you

You are being unrealistic and demands to act quicker won’t be well received I am afraid. We won’t be bullied into doing things that we are not comfortable with or moving at a pace which is unreasonable. In fact, it’s likely to have the opposite effect. Fans will have to live with that.

You posted on a Wednesday complaining about the absence of minutes from a meeting which happened 2 working days ago. Dont know what line of work you are in but minutes from my meetings aren’t typically produced, signed off and issued in that timeframe.

Many thanks. best wishes