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Talking of which I'm impressed with Macron so far. The alt-right are getting destroyed ?

2 minutes ago, kowenicki said:

 

Working class vote for labour is down to around 24% in the North of England apparently... not surprising. 

 

By the way... any election which sees that utter, utter arse Nick Clegg lose his job is absolutely a good night in my book.

We're agreeing far too much recently

anybody who props the Tories up needs to go. 12k increase in Lab majority in Tooting. Looks like the kids got out of bed.

12 minutes ago, mcfluff1985 said:

I'm sure it was quicker last time. Although it was 2 years ago and I'm unsure what I had for tea last night

If I carry on drinking Spitfire at this rate I'll be unsure where the bedroom is.

65.31% turnout in Oldham East and Sadd. Up on last time.

Early days but the South (I know Kettering is barely south) swinging to Labour and the North (East) swinging to Tory. Strange times we live in.

?? cheers

50 minutes ago, Fruitygoo said:

 

Im going of markets.. Punter vs punter... Generally not far off and bookies do use it to hedge yes. 

Hung parliament exit poll. PMSL

1 hour ago, opinions4u said:

It's a struggle.  I instinctively lean centre-right.  I supported Brexit.  May was the obvious choice.

 

She has demonstrated contempt for the public by calling an election and then realising she didn't have any policies.  By criticising Labour on costings but not supplying her own.  By failing to build a bit of vision into her campaign where people could say positive things about it.  And her lack of ability to answer the most basic question has been piss poor.

 

Corbyn has been true to himself until the last few days.  A populist campaign built on consistency of a belief system that, while I consider flawed, is genuine to him.  Notwithstanding his ex struggling to hold things together he's impressed me.  Until the last few days when he's started contradicting accurately documented views that he's stated in the past around the terror situation.  Suddenly the principles sacrificed for an effort to be popular when I wonder if the chance of further swings his way was there to be had.  

 

Farron has flopped.  His "let's all vote again on Brexit" approach probably the reason.  I could go with an extra penny on tax that he proposes but for a democrat to want to back peddle on a referendum?  No, not having it.

 

Nuttall is irrelevant and UKIP is a pressure group that's got what it wanted.  See you boys.   The Greens are still a nutty party with a few sensible environmental proposals.

 

At the start of the campaign I thought 70 seat majority for the blues.  I'll stick with that.  The main thought is the number of die hard Labour voters who've said they vote for May.  It might not be something they can actually stomach when it comes to holding that pen in their hand before choosing which box to put their X in.

I'm back - quite a nice day yesterday Kowenicki thanks for your kind wishes ;-)

Sorry but any "die hard" Labour supporter even remotely considering voting for May isn't a "die hard" Labour supporter.

Anyway, sadly another busy day so just dropping by. I expect not to be on here tomorrow either sadly (avoiding the I told you so's) but you never know........

I'm going to have to drop out of this now I have meetings solidly between 1 and 8 tonight and I will be taking the day off tomorrow to leaflet drop etc.

i will leave you with my prediction although it is massively dependent on whether Corbyn's message has proven sufficiently inspirational to mobilise the 18-24 age group to get out and vote. 

I think the likely outcome is a Tory majority of 20-30 seats. If the 18-24 group turnout is 70% or more I think we may be in hung parliament territory. 

Whatever the the outcome I hope we are all in agreement that living in a society that allows us to debate our positions robustly is far far better than the alternative. 

1 minute ago, kowenicki said:

 

and said in Nov 2016 he was against it in a televised interview.

1 minute ago, kowenicki said:

 

and said in Nov 2016 he was against it in a televised interview.

The interview for which the PCC censured the BBC? That one?

Just now, kowenicki said:

 

Corbyn votes against anything terror related, it his the default position.  The legislation may have been weak and proved to be ineffective, but without it perhaps circumstances could have been even worse.   No shoot to kill the other night would have certainly made matters worse.  He was against that until Tuesday morning... when he somehow magically lost his coat of pacifism again.

 

by the way... did you just say no legislation is better than bad legislation.... 

 

careful now... ;-)

More lies - he set out his support for shoot to kill in his leaders report to the NEC following the Paris attacks of 2015. 

7 minutes ago, kowenicki said:

 

do I favour a particular outcome...? yes

 

do I like any of the outcomes, am I inspired by any of them...? no

 

Politics and politicians in this country are truly awful.

 

You are working for a particular party. Why would I (or anyone) listen to you?  Your views are biased, preordained and inflexible.  You will tow the party line whatever it is in the pursuit of power.  That's why Corbyn has dropped and u-turned one every belief he ever held... for power.  Power in his hands will be a disaster.  I guarantee he will be an unmitigated disaster.  I'd rather stick with the devil I know on this occasion.

 

 

 

You argue against yourself though to justify your core belief that everything Corbyn does must be wrong.

Example - Corbyn has voted against every piece of terror legislation ergo Corbyn is bad.

Not one (your emphasis) of the last 7 Home Secretaries has done anything effective to deal with the threat of terror. By implication therefore the nine major pieces of terror legislation brought before parliament since 9/11 have proven weak and ineffective.

Corbyn voted against weak and ineffective legislation.

Oh, hang on........

6 minutes ago, kowenicki said:

 

or

 

must...deflect...from...diane...abbott...

 

where is that other bloke with serious skeletons during this election.... he is only the shadow chancellor after all.

Welcome to the murky world of politics - how's the cognitive dissonance going?

Apparently the Tories are unleashing "attack dog" Boris on Corbyn today so be prepared to hear some words not heard outside the walls of Eton College since the 19th Century. Here he is being exposed as a liar amongst other things.

9 minutes ago, Fruitygoo said:

You've missed my point completely..... I actually stated that someone could be deemed as 'at fault' but you stated she ALLOWED it to happen which is poorly worded. 

 

I think Blair was at fault for 7/7 but i dont think he allowed it to happen. It insinuates that May has let 3 attacks happen to help improve  her position somehow. 

Allow can be defined as giving the necessary opportunity or time for.....

I'm happy for my comments to stand.

7 hours ago, Fruitygoo said:

 

Come on... Nobody 'allows' for this to happen. These people dont care who is in charge... They care about us living the way we do. These are typical cheap shots from labour supporters which is the point i outlined before. Anybody who comes out as a supporter is shot down... 

 

7/7 happened on labours watch but did people blame them for allowing it to happen? 

 

Being at fault is something you can have an opinion on and blame someone for if you so wish but to say someone 'allowed' it to happen implies they sat back and watched 

I think there are serious questions to answer about whether May's cuts have contributed to increased terrorist activity given Manchester and London Bridge attackers were known to security services. That's not just me ex military Paddy Ashdown thinks so too.

i also believe an independent public enquiry is needed to examine claims that Abedi was linked to the Libyan Islamist Fighters Group, that groups link to other Islamist terror groups and also its links to carrying out British Foreign policy by proxy in fighting to overthrow Gaddifi in 2011. It would be quite something if May was found to support known Islamist terror groups wouldn't it? Besides the Saudi government of course.

1 hour ago, kowenicki said:

 

It is funny.  Its also terrifying that this inept fool could be anywhere near government let alone HOME SECRETARY!

Didn't see it I was out campaigning. She's a weak link no doubt but if she's failed to hit every target set her like the previous Home Sec now PM and cut the police force by 20k and allowed 3 successful terror attacks in 4 months you'll be right to criticise her at the next election.

40 minutes ago, kowenicki said:

 

1.5% of the voting public. (Although 93m plus didnt even bother to vote... and who can blame them given the awful choice of a lying megalomaniac and a proper nutter) 

 

If Clinton couldn't beat Trump (even in that voting system) it should tell you a lot. Vile woman.

 

Trumps election win is Obama's only legacy.  Obama left a country more divided than ever. He let a LOT of people down... a potential lesson there for someone...

He needs to win first! I'm no Clinton apologist it just strikes me as perverse that in a country's presidential election the person with the popular vote loses. I know it's happened before of course.

31 minutes ago, Fruitygoo said:

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say I think the Tories will still win by a landslide regardless of what polls say. What I've noticed this election is as soon as anybody on social media dares to saw that they are voting for the Tories, they're jumped on by keyboard warriors and vilified for their opinion. It reminds me of when anybody dared to say they were voting for 'Brexit' and similarly what happened in America when anybody risked saying they were going to vote for 'Trump'. I think this is the reason Polls are so far wide of the mark.....As soon as people get in that little private space - they can say what they want without fear of abuse. Just have to look at Brexit and Trump for that....

 

Corbyn will pack in as leader of Labour and all the MP's who've been right up his 'arris for the last 2 months will go back to saying how terrible he is.

 

Personally, I can't vote for a team that consists of Corbyn, Thornberry, Mcdonnel, Abbott and Long-Bailey.....

Clinton got nearly 3m more votes than Trump, it's only because their electoral system makes ours look sensible that he got in.

They could be on holiday and awaiting signing on return.

9 minutes ago, Bristolatic said:

I assume it wasn't a friendly exchange of banter.

It wasn't. You have to remember it as a friendly and his "tackle" was diabolical - I let him know admittedly with some choice language. He had to be held back by a few of his team mates (thank god!) - he came out early for the second half so I asked him if he was still running away from Gregan. Didn't take too kindly to that either.

24 minutes ago, Bristolatic said:

Didn't Lonergan badly injure one of ours in a pre-season friendly a while ago, or am I confusing it with something/someone else?

Yes - Ryan Brooke. He and I had words as he went up the tunnel at half time and again when he came out for the second half.

2 hours ago, mcfluff1985 said:

I'll agree with that. His words have been twisted massively. Half interviews shown etc. If he'd come out strong against terrorism today though that election was his. I was swaying towards Labour but as with a lot of people recent events make me think at least Tories aren't soft as shit

Can I point you in the direction of the contents of Corbyn's speech in Carlisle tonight. They were embargoed until 7pm but are now widely available.

That's a no then.

Clearly states in the article that it's not known whether she was paired on or not. You're just accepting she was. 

As as you accuse me of ignoring the occasional point in every tirade I note that you have not commented on IDS accepting that Tory TPIMs watered down the power available against terror compared to Labour control orders, a measure May supported and Corbyn voted against.