rudemedic Posted August 20, 2009 Share Posted August 20, 2009 Having just seen the shortened highlights on the Beeb it does appear that when the bloke fouls Holdsworth he is the last man. Now I don't agree with the rule applying in the penalty area but if you are the last man and you are denying a goal-scoring chance (which is almost a given) then shouldn't that be a red card? I'd be interested to see the views of those people actually at the game as to whether or not they thought the same from the other end (as its a different angle to the one the Beeb are going to give us). Are we a bit unlucky that we weren't playing against 10 men for a good portion of the game? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevie Whitehall Posted August 20, 2009 Share Posted August 20, 2009 Having just seen the shortened highlights on the Beeb it does appear that when the bloke fouls Holdsworth he is the last man. Now I don't agree with the rule applying in the penalty area but if you are the last man and you are denying a goal-scoring chance (which is almost a given) then shouldn't that be a red card? I'd be interested to see the views of those people actually at the game as to whether or not they thought the same from the other end (as its a different angle to the one the Beeb are going to give us). Are we a bit unlucky that we weren't playing against 10 men for a good portion of the game? Having seen it at the time, I didn't even think it was a penalty. I'll have a look at LP or The Beeb shortly to review. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
opinions4u Posted August 20, 2009 Share Posted August 20, 2009 Looked at it three times and still undecided if it was a penalty or not. BUT: once the ref has given it, he has to send the defender off. Personally I think football should replace the red card rule and simply award the goal, but that's another story. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tony4938 Posted August 20, 2009 Share Posted August 20, 2009 Correct decision with the penalty, should have been a red as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafcprozac Posted August 20, 2009 Share Posted August 20, 2009 Having seen it at the time, I didn't even think it was a penalty. I'll have a look at LP or The Beeb shortly to review. IMO it wasn't, harsh bit of a nothing challenge really as I'm not entirely sure AH had the ball under control. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
opinions4u Posted August 20, 2009 Share Posted August 20, 2009 IMO it wasn't, harsh bit of a nothing challenge really as I'm not entirely sure AH had the ball under control. You don't have to have the ball under control. If somebody clatters you it's still a foul. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sheridans_world Posted August 20, 2009 Share Posted August 20, 2009 You don't have to have the ball under control. If somebody clatters you it's still a foul. Just ask David James after last night... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kellysheroes Posted August 20, 2009 Share Posted August 20, 2009 just watched it now i reckon holdsworth would of finishes that off if he didnt get fouled but thats twice now in space of 3days that holdsworth has bomed on.. good sign that, keep it up lad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldhamSheridan Posted August 20, 2009 Share Posted August 20, 2009 What the was Alan Hardy doing on the pitch? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markoasis Posted August 20, 2009 Share Posted August 20, 2009 at the time I was shocked he hadn't been shown a red .... god knows why it wasn't shown Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave_ragg1984 Posted August 20, 2009 Share Posted August 20, 2009 at the time I was shocked he hadn't been shown a red .... god knows why it wasn't shown Just seen it. Don't think it was a pen for a start (looks like he won the ball). But if the ref gives it (which he did) then he has to send the man off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristolatic Posted August 20, 2009 Share Posted August 20, 2009 Only seen it on good old Auntie Beeb and still can't decide if it was a foul or not; sort of 60/40 in favour. But, as the last defender, the red should have been automatic if the ref sees it as a foul. Did Mr D'Urso bottle it because it was in the Lion's Den? Even listening to the racket from the Millwall "fans" on LW (sorry, LP now), I just have a feeling that it would have been close to a riot if he'd shown it. Had it been an away game, I think the red would have come out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kellysheroes Posted August 20, 2009 Share Posted August 20, 2009 Only seen it on good old Auntie Beeb and still can't decide if it was a foul or not; sort of 60/40 in favour. But, as the last defender, the red should have been automatic if the ref sees it as a foul. Did Mr D'Urso bottle it because it was in the Lion's Den? Even listening to the racket from the Millwall "fans" on LW (sorry, LP now), I just have a feeling that it would have been close to a riot if he'd shown it. Had it been an away game, I think the red would have come out. your prob right there... ooo the fans might shout at me i cant send him off Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wakefield-oldham Posted August 20, 2009 Share Posted August 20, 2009 having seen it 3 times still not convinced it was a penalty,,,,looked like he won the ball to me... maybe the ref had this in mind but had doubts about the whole thing so just gave a pen.. great save though,,,nothing really wrong with the pen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stitch_KTF Posted August 20, 2009 Share Posted August 20, 2009 Personally I think football should replace the red card rule and simply award the goal, but that's another story. Brilliant idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldhamSheridan Posted August 20, 2009 Share Posted August 20, 2009 Brilliant idea. Except in some ways it doesn't punish teh defender enough. Why not chance your arm in an absolute goalscoring situation? A booking and a goal? Maybe. I'm not sure it's wrong at the moment. Defenders just have to learn not to mess up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
opinions4u Posted August 20, 2009 Share Posted August 20, 2009 Brilliant idea. I would like to take all the credit, but the fine sport of rugby union (when not using fake blood etc) came up with the concept of awarding a try when a likely score was blocked by outright cheating. The obvious example of where this is appropriate was the Barcelona v Arsenal Champions League Final - why send Lehmann off after 15 mins? Just give the goal. Yellow card or red card or no card based on the severity/dangerous nature of the challenge. Something worthy of open discussion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tangerinedreams Posted August 20, 2009 Share Posted August 20, 2009 Penalty= straight red.......correct? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
opinions4u Posted August 20, 2009 Share Posted August 20, 2009 (edited) Penalty= straight red.......correct? No. Denying a clear goalscoring opportunity is a red card. It's a penalty if it happens in the box. Free kick outside the box. If you commit a minor foul in the box, it can be a penalty with no card at all. Edited August 20, 2009 by opinions4u Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tangerinedreams Posted August 20, 2009 Share Posted August 20, 2009 No. Denying a clear goalscoring opportunity is a red card. It's a penalty if it happens in the box. Free kick outside the box. If you commit a minor foul in the box, it can be a penalty with no card at all. He was through on goal therefore denyed a goal scoring opp. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
opinions4u Posted August 20, 2009 Share Posted August 20, 2009 He was through on goal therefore denyed a goal scoring opp. Sorry, thought you were talking generally, not re the Millwall one. I apologise for that momentary thought of "wtf" that went through my head! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rosa Posted August 20, 2009 Share Posted August 20, 2009 Only seen it on good old Auntie Beeb and still can't decide if it was a foul or not; sort of 60/40 in favour. But, as the last defender, the red should have been automatic if the ref sees it as a foul. Did Mr D'Urso bottle it because it was in the Lion's Den? Even listening to the racket from the Millwall "fans" on LW (sorry, LP now), I just have a feeling that it would have been close to a riot if he'd shown it. Had it been an away game, I think the red would have come out. And yet he chose to wind them up with all the pissing about over Neil Harris' wedding ring so they were down to ten men for the last 5 minutes of the first half. i wasn't at the game but it sounded like a bizarre refereeing performance. can't tell if it was a penalty or not from the highlights (need to see it from behind the goal to tell whether or not he got the ball),but he was clean through right in front of the goal so if it was a foul it was a red card. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmr Posted August 20, 2009 Share Posted August 20, 2009 If the ref was going to award the penalty then he had to send him off, he bottled it regardless if it was a penalty or not. Hard to tell which he got first in the reply, the ball or the player, for me he didn't get enough of the ball to take it away from AH without taking him out. Referee obviously affected by the crowd and being harassed by Millwall players like he was for every single decision. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tangerinedreams Posted August 21, 2009 Share Posted August 21, 2009 Sorry, thought you were talking generally, not re the Millwall one. I apologise for that momentary thought of "wtf" that went through my head! Ah no worries pal.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tangerinedreams Posted August 21, 2009 Share Posted August 21, 2009 If the ref was going to award the penalty then he had to send him off, he bottled it regardless if it was a penalty or not. Hard to tell which he got first in the reply, the ball or the player, for me he didn't get enough of the ball to take it away from AH without taking him out. Referee obviously affected by the crowd and being harassed by Millwall players like he was for every single decision. Agreed!!!! After watching the highlights on the Beeb countless times still can't decide whether it was a penalty.......but it was awarded so the Wall player should have been off!! Is there grounds to appeal as there should be a ban for the Wall player............interesting.......maybe that is a tactic that we should deploy at BP!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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