You are all stuffed

[oafc0000]

According to David Starkey on This Week just now..

 

Says Oldham and places like it will NEVER offer people jobs again...

 

Just found it funny... Bit extreme but he is right to point out that places like Oldham who grew from the cotton industry really have no purpose now I suppose...

Edited October 7, 2010 by oafc0000

[beag_teeets]

He also said his dad was sacked from a job in Oldham on his 21st birthday.

 

You can say what you like about Oldham and many do but we can spot a wrong 'un a mile away.

 

To those that sacked that canutes dad all those years ago, well done sir!

[razza699]

He also said his dad was sacked from a job in Oldham on his 21st birthday.

 

You can say what you like about Oldham and many do but we can spot a wrong 'un a mile away.

 

To those that sacked that canutes dad all those years ago, well done sir!

Oh I dont know , I reckon Mcdonalds on Elk Mill will take people on

[oafc0000]

He also said his dad was sacked from a job in Oldham on his 21st birthday.

 

You can say what you like about Oldham and many do but we can spot a wrong 'un a mile away.

 

To those that sacked that canutes dad all those years ago, well done sir!

 

He said his dad walked to London and back to find a job, twice.... Like feck he did

[oafcprozac]

According to David Starkey on This Week just now..

 

Says Oldham and places like it will NEVER offer people jobs again...

 

Just found it funny... Bit extreme but he is right to point out that places like Oldham who grew from the cotton industry really have no purpose now I suppose...

 

As a Historian myself specialising in military and social history (particularly Northern England) he's got a point. You've only got look at the traditional mining towns and villages in South Yorkshire, Notts and Derbyshire. The decline of Oldham's manufacturing and industrial past has led to many of the problems it has today - namely third or fourth generation's of people that have never worked or been able to get a job. Immigrant family's that initially arrived when times were pretty good (although the working classes in Oldham have always been pretty poor) but once the work dried up there was little for their off-spring to aspire to - certainly locally. The communities turn inwards blaming each other for their problems,

 

The council's play it safe policy of not wanting to upset anyone has left the town devoid of facilities and fostered the deep-rooted resentment that pervades the town's collective psyche. I'm Oldham born and bred but everywhere I look I see decay, from the streets to the population of the town. You only have to look at the morning commute to see there's no work in Oldham, the traffic leaves Oldham whilst traffic into Oldham is relatively quiet, there's simply no prospects in this town unless (and no disrespect) you want to work at Littlewoods or Park Cake.

 

When I drop my daughter off at school the number of parents who work is minimal (ok i'm out of work at the moment but won't be for long I hope) and you can tell just looking at people they simply do want to work and that comes from habits that have been formed over generations. Oldham's not unique, but this town, even when it was rich would not spend money for the good of its population. Ashton Under Lyne and Bury are very similar to Oldham, but the employment prospects and leisure facilities in those towns are far better than Oldham - why? Because their populations have said enough is enough, we'll give the council a mandate of trust - deliver jobs, deliver facilities and we'll back you all the way. Oldhamers are too busy in-fighting and joining the NIMBY brigade which has killed their town. Whilst the council changes hands every two years there's simply no hope of progress, only self-interest.

 

Bury and Ashton offer people a bit of hope, Oldham just drives people to despair - in the case of Oldham Starkey has a point.

Edited October 8, 2010 by oafcprozac

[oafc0000]

As a Historian myself specialising in military and social history (particularly Northern England) he's got a point. You've only got look at the traditional mining towns and villages in South Yorkshire, Notts and Derbyshire. The decline of Oldham's manufacturing and industrial past has led to many of the problems it has today - namely third or fourth generation's of people that have never worked or been able to get a job. Immigrant family's that initially arrived when times were pretty good (although the working classes in Oldham have always been pretty poor) but once the work dried up there was little for their off-spring to aspire to - certainly locally. The communities turn inwards blaming each other for their problems,

 

The council's play it safe policy of not wanting to upset anyone has left the town devoid of facilities and fostered the deep-rooted resentment that pervades the town's collective psyche. I'm Oldham born and bred but everywhere I look I see decay, from the streets to the population of the town. You only have to look at the morning commute to see there's no work in Oldham, the traffic leaves Oldham whilst traffic into Oldham is relatively quiet, there's simply no prospects in this town unless (and no disrespect) you want to work at Littlewoods or Park Cake.

 

When I drop my daughter off at school the number of parents who work is minimal (ok i'm out of work at the moment but won't be for long I hope) and you can tell just looking at people they simply do want to work and that comes from habits that have been formed over generations. Oldham's not unique, but this town, even when it was rich would not spend money for the good of its population. Ashton Under Lyne and Bury are very similar to Oldham, but the employment prospects and leisure facilities in those towns are far better than Oldham - why? Because their populations have said enough is enough, we'll give the council a mandate of trust - deliver jobs, deliver facilities and we'll back you all the way. Oldhamers are too busy in-fighting and joining the NIMBY brigade which has killed their town. Whilst the council changes hands every two years there's simply no hope of progress, only self-interest.

 

That is pretty much spot on...

 

There is also a massive "brain drain" out of the town which has never been plugged. We built the sixth form college, result shot up, we had more kids from the area going to University but gave them zero reason to return to Oldham.

 

We have been through all this before and it is crying shame that still nothing is being done to try to reverse it.

 

Apparently the majority of people on benefits spend on average six month on them before moving off. It does seem sometimes that Oldham has a high concentration of people who are not moving off benefits within this six month period. The only reasoning I can come to is a combination of lack of jobs and a lack of will.

Edited October 8, 2010 by oafc0000

[garcon]

The thing with being out of work is that, irrespective of the effort you've put in to find a job, the longer you go without one the harder it becomes to get one. Sooner or later you seemingly become unemployable simply because of how long you've been looking. The majority of people who've been out of work for over six months will probably still be out of work after a year.

 

And that's not a regional thing. I know someone from Oldham who moved to the south coast years ago, and has spent the last two years looking for work down there. Nothing doing, even the she's a full qualified legal sec. Unfortunately - and this is why she's currently trying to move back north (although NOT back to Oldham!) - the fact she's a black single mother with a northern accent seems to be an issue with many prospective emnployers.

[oafc0000]

The thing with being out of work is that, irrespective of the effort you've put in to find a job, the longer you go without one the harder it becomes to get one. Sooner or later you seemingly become unemployable simply because of how long you've been looking. The majority of people who've been out of work for over six months will probably still be out of work after a year.

 

And that's not a regional thing. I know someone from Oldham who moved to the south coast years ago, and has spent the last two years looking for work down there. Nothing doing, even the she's a full qualified legal sec. Unfortunately - and this is why she's currently trying to move back north (although NOT back to Oldham!) - the fact she's a black single mother with a northern accent seems to be an issue with many prospective emnployers.

 

Yeah that is defo an issue as well...

[downender2]

He also said his dad was sacked from a job in Oldham on his 21st birthday.

 

You can say what you like about Oldham and many do but we can spot a wrong 'un a mile away.

 

To those that sacked that canutes dad all those years ago, well done sir!

 

that canutes

[Yard Dog]

As a Historian myself specialising in military and social history (particularly Northern England) he's got a point. You've only got look at the traditional mining towns and villages in South Yorkshire, Notts and Derbyshire. The decline of Oldham's manufacturing and industrial past has led to many of the problems it has today - namely third or fourth generation's of people that have never worked or been able to get a job. Immigrant family's that initially arrived when times were pretty good (although the working classes in Oldham have always been pretty poor) but once the work dried up there was little for their off-spring to aspire to - certainly locally. The communities turn inwards blaming each other for their problems,

 

The council's play it safe policy of not wanting to upset anyone has left the town devoid of facilities and fostered the deep-rooted resentment that pervades the town's collective psyche. I'm Oldham born and bred but everywhere I look I see decay, from the streets to the population of the town. You only have to look at the morning commute to see there's no work in Oldham, the traffic leaves Oldham whilst traffic into Oldham is relatively quiet, there's simply no prospects in this town unless (and no disrespect) you want to work at Littlewoods or Park Cake.

 

When I drop my daughter off at school the number of parents who work is minimal (ok i'm out of work at the moment but won't be for long I hope) and you can tell just looking at people they simply do want to work and that comes from habits that have been formed over generations. Oldham's not unique, but this town, even when it was rich would not spend money for the good of its population. Ashton Under Lyne and Bury are very similar to Oldham, but the employment prospects and leisure facilities in those towns are far better than Oldham - why? Because their populations have said enough is enough, we'll give the council a mandate of trust - deliver jobs, deliver facilities and we'll back you all the way. Oldhamers are too busy in-fighting and joining the NIMBY brigade which has killed their town. Whilst the council changes hands every two years there's simply no hope of progress, only self-interest.

 

Bury and Ashton offer people a bit of hope, Oldham just drives people to despair - in the case of Oldham Starkey has a point.

 

Bury and Tameside - pah. Rochdale aside - you've chosen the only two boroughs with a lower GDP than Oldham. Some of us aspire to higher things than working in a cinema.

[oafcprozac]

Bury and Tameside - pah. Rochdale aside - you've chosen the only two boroughs with a lower GDP than Oldham. Some of us aspire to higher things than working in a cinema.

 

Maybe so, but I know of several large employers that have relocated out of Oldham into neighbouring towns. It won't be long before Tameside overtakes Oldham. Premier Educational Supplies - former tenants of Orb Mill, Waterhead - employed 100s (Formerly Hestair Hope) moved to Hyde, Viking Direct actually expanded whilst at Broadway Business Park and given the chance of again expanding on their present site (of which there was more than enough room) again moved to Tameside another large employer of 100s. (Call centre alone employs 250+) Now unless Littlewoods in Shaw win their battle with the NIMBYS they'll be relocating too. The town is haemorrhaging jobs, not everyone can aspire to a professional career and has to do what I call bread and butter work - good salt of the earth people. Of which I've done my fair share before retraining. In short if you're looking for any type of work in Oldham - you're fooked!