garcon Posted November 11, 2010 Share Posted November 11, 2010 Diego, you simply don't understand the psyche of people like me who have chosen to stop going. If anything I'm a worse culprit than 0000's - at least he can say that with a young family he just doesn't have the time and would rather spend it with his child. Speaking for myself, I stopped going because I stopped enjoying it. The sheer misery of a Saturday afternoon at Boundary Park had finally overtaken the urge to support the club come what may through thick or thin. Add to that the feeling of helplessness, that everything TTA had tried had failed and that the club was (is) inexorably sliding towards oblivion with no way of stopping it. My personal reaction to all that was an overwhelming feeling that I could no longer stomach going and watching the club slowly die. In a way it's almost like a subconscious attempt to prepare for a life without the club, to make the inevitable less painful when it happens. I don't seek to justify that, because I have no need to justify myself to anybody here. I salute those who are still going, they are the core that might just see the club survive. But don't you dare tell me that because I no longer attend I don't care about the club and I have no right to express my opinions on a free internet forum. We may have stopped going but we are waverers who may one day return. Drive us out and we will never return. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zorrro Posted November 11, 2010 Share Posted November 11, 2010 There is no difference between those that can't go and those that won't go from an income point of view. So why should they be treated any differently when it comes to discussing the club in any way, shape or form? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc0000 Posted November 11, 2010 Share Posted November 11, 2010 (edited) Well I still care about the club... I wish to comment on it, follow it etc... Either ban me due to not having a right to comment or lets move on... Edited November 11, 2010 by oafc0000 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diego_Sideburns Posted November 11, 2010 Share Posted November 11, 2010 oafc0000 is one of US it's our club, WE try our best to do what we can in our own ways for OUR club, but there is one thing that I am certain of, it's not YOURS. So stop thinking that it is. What you are saying is not entirely correct. oafc0000 has stated he would support the club financially in other means, he even may do already. I agree with you on that. I would never have the audacity to say it is MY Club. MyFootballClub plays elsewhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diego_Sideburns Posted November 11, 2010 Share Posted November 11, 2010 Diego, you simply don't understand the psyche of people like me who have chosen to stop going. If anything I'm a worse culprit than 0000's - at least he can say that with a young family he just doesn't have the time and would rather spend it with his child. Speaking for myself, I stopped going because I stopped enjoying it. The sheer misery of a Saturday afternoon at Boundary Park had finally overtaken the urge to support the club come what may through thick or thin. Add to that the feeling of helplessness, that everything TTA had tried had failed and that the club was (is) inexorably sliding towards oblivion with no way of stopping it. My personal reaction to all that was an overwhelming feeling that I could no longer stomach going and watching the club slowly die. In a way it's almost like a subconscious attempt to prepare for a life without the club, to make the inevitable less painful when it happens. I don't seek to justify that, because I have no need to justify myself to anybody here. I salute those who are still going, they are the core that might just see the club survive. But don't you dare tell me that because I no longer attend I don't care about the club and I have no right to express my opinions on a free internet forum. We may have stopped going but we are waverers who may one day return. Drive us out and we will never return. garcon, you simply don't understand the psyche of people like me who have chosen to continue going until death or until the club is no more, whichever comes first. If you think I am capable of driving waverers out by posting on OWTB, and yet I cannot entice waverers back in, you are deluding yourself about my powers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diego_Sideburns Posted November 11, 2010 Share Posted November 11, 2010 Well I still care about the club... I wish to comment on it, follow it etc... Either ban me due to not having a right to comment or lets move on... I would not want any OWTB member banned, so let's move on with our views clearly polarised. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlayItLivo Posted November 11, 2010 Share Posted November 11, 2010 It's simple really, those who don't go, keep your opinions to your Live Chat on match days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frankly Mr Shankly Posted November 11, 2010 Share Posted November 11, 2010 Speaking for myself, I stopped going because I stopped enjoying it. The sheer misery of a Saturday afternoon at Boundary Park had finally overtaken the urge to support the club come what may through thick or thin. Add to that the feeling of helplessness, that everything TTA had tried had failed and that the club was (is) inexorably sliding towards oblivion with no way of stopping it. My personal reaction to all that was an overwhelming feeling that I could no longer stomach going and watching the club slowly die. In a way it's almost like a subconscious attempt to prepare for a life without the club, to make the inevitable less painful when it happens. Thing is, isn't things like the abject feeling of hopelessness what galvanises us as fans? Last season was the first time I honestly didn't feel like going as a Latics fan. From about November onwards, every game was a complete chore and by March I gave up completely and went watching local cricket. In fact it really began after Shez got sacked but still, I can totally empithise with the feeling of really not wanting to go and watch my team. But this season it's been somehow different. It's like a few cobwebs have been blown away, we've looked as a team like we're going to win games by scoring goals. We look a threat and we no longer look like a team who's just going to roll over and die (last Saturday aside). OK it's not been amazing, a couple of 0-0 draws and the same old issues backstage but all the same, football on a Saturday has been enjoyable for the first time in ages. I can understand people's skewed logic of refusing to go because of the regime, disillusionment over being stuck in this division still, but I can't get people who won't go because they still think they won't enjoy it. We've seen much, much worse on a football field as Latics fans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diego_Sideburns Posted November 11, 2010 Share Posted November 11, 2010 There is no difference between those that can't go and those that won't go from an income point of view. So why should they be treated any differently when it comes to discussing the club in any way, shape or form? No difference in terms of income deprivation for the Club, but a world of difference in terms of attitude towards the Club's future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
del boy Posted November 11, 2010 Share Posted November 11, 2010 We may have stopped going but we are waverers who may one day return. Drive us out and we will never return. off you go then bye Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc0000 Posted November 11, 2010 Share Posted November 11, 2010 It's simple really, those who don't go, keep your opinions to your Live Chat on match days. I enjoy match day chat when I have time to go on it Some good banter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garcon Posted November 11, 2010 Share Posted November 11, 2010 garcon, you simply don't understand the psyche of people like me who have chosen to continue going until death or until the club is no more, whichever comes first. I do, I think. I certainly understand it enough to know it was never me. But I can respect that psyche, whereas you can't seem to respect mine. If you think I am capable of driving waverers out by posting on OWTB, and yet I cannot entice waverers back in, you are deluding yourself about my powers. Well, you appear to be saying that only the diehards like yourself can be considered as supporters of the club and not us waverers, so how else should we take it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc0000 Posted November 11, 2010 Share Posted November 11, 2010 (edited) off you go then bye What a confusing opinion... Unless you agree with me that the club should live to its means... ? Edited November 11, 2010 by oafc0000 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zorrro Posted November 11, 2010 Share Posted November 11, 2010 No difference in terms of income deprivation for the Club, but a world of difference in terms of attitude towards the Club's future. What the hell has attitude got to do with having an opinion? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garcon Posted November 11, 2010 Share Posted November 11, 2010 I can understand people's skewed logic of refusing to go because of the regime, disillusionment over being stuck in this division still, but I can't get people who won't go because they still think they won't enjoy it. We've seen much, much worse on a football field as Latics fans. I've been thinking about this aspect. I think the direness of the football last season simply laid bare the awful truth, and having seen that I can't help but view the apparent (I haven't been yet) improvement in entertainment this season as nothing more than a thin veneer papering over the abyss. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc0000 Posted November 11, 2010 Share Posted November 11, 2010 I would not want any OWTB member banned, so let's move on with our views clearly polarised. I lost hope of us agreeing a long time ago... But I still think you have a right to an opinion, even if it is wrong Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garcon Posted November 11, 2010 Share Posted November 11, 2010 In truth, I can't help but feel a little bit sorry for anyone whose entire existence revolves around the fanatical support of a football club. There is so much more to life. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_Og Posted November 11, 2010 Share Posted November 11, 2010 Thing is, isn't things like the abject feeling of hopelessness what galvanises us as fans? Evidently not Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
del boy Posted November 11, 2010 Share Posted November 11, 2010 I've been thinking about this aspect. I think the direness of the football last season simply laid bare the awful truth, and having seen that I can't help but view the apparent (I haven't been yet) improvement in entertainment this season as nothing more than a thin veneer papering over the abyss. GOT ALOT TO SAY BUT YOU AINT BEEN TO A MATCH THIS SEASON WOT A GREAT FAN YOU ARE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garcon Posted November 11, 2010 Share Posted November 11, 2010 No need to shout. But thanks for your valuable contribution to the debate. We're all very grateful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garcon Posted November 11, 2010 Share Posted November 11, 2010 P.S. del boy - Posts: 44 garcon - Posts: 6,762 Just saying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frankly Mr Shankly Posted November 11, 2010 Share Posted November 11, 2010 I've been thinking about this aspect. I think the direness of the football last season simply laid bare the awful truth, and having seen that I can't help but view the apparent (I haven't been yet) improvement in entertainment this season as nothing more than a thin veneer papering over the abyss. Maybe so. I'm not naive enough to think that isn't the case. But still, the football is enjoyable at the moment and this is mostly down to Dickov's attitude to play attacking football with pace and not be scared of blooding youngsters or not giving in to sentimentality. Anyway, if you choose not to go fair enough. A sudden crack at promotion or a string of cup giantkillings will have people back, it's the nature of the beast really. I suspect Diego's main beef is the amount of time 0000's spends on OWTB seemingly with an opinion about everything. To see someone spend so much time on this messageboard yet brazenly state he has the time and money to go if he wants to, yet doesn't is a bit on the distasteful side in my humble. Have we sold the Micah stake yet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
del boy Posted November 11, 2010 Share Posted November 11, 2010 P.S. del boy - Posts: 44 garcon - tosser Just saying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc0000 Posted November 11, 2010 Share Posted November 11, 2010 P.S. del boy - Posts: 44 garcon - Posts: 6,762 Just saying. oafc0000 - Posts: 10,777 OAF WINS!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garcon Posted November 11, 2010 Share Posted November 11, 2010 (edited) garcon - tosser I've been called far worse by far worthier people than you. Edited November 11, 2010 by garcon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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